Biden’s False Claim

elvis

Former Vice President Joe Biden was wrong when he said that the Trump administration made no effort to get U.S. medical experts into China as the novel coronavirus epidemic spread there early this year. “[W]hen we were talking … early on in this crisis, we said — I said, among others, that, you know, you should get into China, get our experts there, we have the best in the world, get them in so we know what’s actually happening,” Biden, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, said at a CNN virtual town hall on March 27. “There was no effort to do that.”


Except that isn’t the case.


The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tried to get into China just one week after China reported the outbreak to the World Health Organization on Dec. 31, 2019. “On January 6, we offered to send a CDC team to China that could assist with these public health efforts,” Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said at a Jan. 28 press conference. “I reiterated that offer when I spoke to China’s Minister of Health on Monday, and it was reiterated again via the World Health Organization today. We are urging China: More cooperation and transparency are the most important steps you can take toward a more effective response.” More than a week later, Azar said again at a Feb. 7 press conference that “our longstanding offer to send world-class experts to China to assist remains on the table.”


The Biden campaign did not respond to our requests for comment.


https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/bidens-false-claim-on-trumps-response-to-coronavirus/

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heri_cles

A technicality. Next.

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cattyles

Really, so what?

I mean, that does it! I’m voting for trump.

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Izzy Mn(4)

And, what did Trump then do about it. Less than nothing. He was warned numerous times and ignored then downplayed even though experts told him.

Let's remember what Trump was doing after he was briefed on the pandemic in January. McConnell says he was too busy with the impeachment to bother with pandemic data.

Trump held rallies on:
—Jan 9th
—Jan 14th
—Jan 28th
—Jan 30th
—Feb 10th
—Feb 19th
—Feb 20th
—Feb 21st
—Feb 28th
He golfed on:
—Jan 18th
—Jan 19th
—Feb 1st
—Feb 15th
—Mar 7th
—Mar 8th

He was busy trying to get reelected and spending tax payers money at his golf resorts.

Maybe if he wasn't so busy golfing and going to his ego love fests he could have done something.

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mrskjun(9)

A woman has accused Joe Biden of sexual assault. Do you believe her?

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HU-885118952

Hillary believes her. Until she doesn't. That's her prerogative, so she says.

But yeah, another "me too" inconveniently directed at the wrong side, so the woman is cast aside and ignored.

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barncatz

That means we'll have two candidates accused of sexual assault. One is being sued for defamation for denying a claim of rape and defaming the woman in the course of his denial.

I kind of do believe both women.

But since one wrote a check in the Oval Office to shut up a porn star he'd had sex with, I'm going with the other one.

You?

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daisychain01

Thank you for clarifying: lying and sexual assault are to be looked down upon rather than dismissed. Good to know.

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bfox254

Anything the minions use in an attempt to smear Joe Biden is personified ten fold by Trump. Keep trying, but it won't get you anywhere. It's too easy

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

A woman has accused Joe Biden of sexual assault. Do you believe her?

Biden = 1

Trump = 19

Belief increases with the numbers, who do you think is the most guilty?

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Ziemia(6a)

The time to go in was late 2019 - Azar says we started offering in 2020. This quote doesn't have Biden saying "early this year" - as implied by the opening sentence. maybe the article is sloppy and used the wrong quote from Biden.

(Though I would like to know some details of Azar's offer - this article gives none.)

W]hen we were talking … early on in this crisis, we said — I said, among others, that, you know, you should get into China, get our experts there, we have the best in the world, get them in so we know what’s actually happening

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Cindy Outter

Why did they started offering in 2020, isn't it the time for Trump and Azar to find out if the USA is ready to face the COVID-19 crisis?

Perhaps the priority of being friendly with Chinese government was that they could launch investigation on Biden superseded the one protecting Americans.

Graham: 'Stupid' for Trump to ask China to investigate Biden

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Cindy Outter

"A woman has accused Joe Biden of sexual assault. Do you believe her?

Biden = 1

Trump = 19

Belief increases with the numbers, who do you think is the most guilty?"

I did not know Biden is such an under-achiever in that department, disappointing!

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Whoa, Lindsey called trump stupid, will trumpsters support or attack him? Such a conundrum.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Did I say that Lisa? Really now.

Did you believe Dr Ford? I assume the answer is yes.

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Toby

Well, little nobody Azar "offered" and "reiterated" his offer. Maybe if Trump himself had threatened Xi we would have gotten a team in there. Instead, Trump complimented Xi in January.



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adoptedbyhounds

Why did they started offering in 2020...


The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tried to get into China just one week after China reported the outbreak to the World Health Organization on Dec. 31, 2019.

Maybe if Trump himself had threatened Xi we would have gotten a team in there.

In what way should President Trump have "threatened" Xi?

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mrskjun(9)

"“Not only do women like Dr. Ford, who bravely comes forward, need to be heard, but they need to be believed,” she insisted. She added, “I just want to say to the men in this country: Just shut up and step up. Do the right thing for a change.” LOL, unless the accused happens to be a democrat.

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Toby

The same way he threatens everyone else.

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cattyles

I guess we assumed that’s the protocol after all the disregard about such matters from the right. Have you all decided differently now?

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mrskjun(9)

No. I feel the same as I always did, apparently the left has had a change of mind. Surprise, Surprise!

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

^^^ Hey now, the senate can bring her up to testify under oath, just like Dr Ford did before congress. If they thought that Ford lied under oath they should have pursued that, they did not, wonder why? Where did you get that the left has a change of mind MrsK? Bring the 19 up on the hill to testify against trump, you do trust them that they say trump sexually assaulted them, right? Only 19 women/

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

" the left has had a change of mind. Surprise, Surprise!"

The real surprise --- Sounds more like the right has had a change of mind, Dr Ford, she lies, 19 others against trump's "word", cannot be believed, 1 against Biden OMG! She must be telling the truth!

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mrskjun(9)

I never said she was telling the truth vgkg. I've never said women should be believed no matter what. Now, who would have said that? I'm sure it was no one on this forum right? Why is it that I remember Kavanaugh being ripped and Ford believed simply because she made the accusation?

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cattyles

Dems could not care less about the attempted smears on Biden. The Repubs should save their energy.

Enjoy your scummy Kav.

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elvis

cattyles

Dems could not care less about the attempted smears on Biden.

That's for the best. I'd advise that you turn deaf ears to his little talks as well. They're very...alarming. Poor Joe.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Hahaha. You see? That's what you get for supporting trump...there's *nothing* you can point to about Biden that trump hasn't already done and done much worse. Nothing.

You want to talk sexual assault? 25 women have accused trump of various kinds of sexual assault up to and including rape and as young as 14. Moreover he *bragged* about it including barging in on young women in various states of undress at his pageants. Let alone the private party he had with epstein and 28 women https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-epstein-party-at-mar-a-lago-women-2019-7.

You want to talk lies? I'm not saying who the liar is here...maybe biden is wrong, maybe azar is lying. But I do know that trump *had* a person on the ground in China to watch for just such things and he axed her: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv/exclusive-u-s-axed-cdc-expert-job-in-china-months-before-virus-outbreak-idUSKBN21910S

Moreover we *know* that trump has told easily over 15,000 lies since being in office including lying to the American about how deadly this virus is and not showing leadership *still* about face masks, nation wide shut down and more.

So no, dear trumplicans. trump has already broken all the records including presiding over a virus that is expected to kill more Americans than all the wars combined since 1945. He's all yours. So much winning!

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Annie Deighnaugh

Matthew 7:20

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Yeah, they are even though repubs are somewhat more expensive than a gun. Thanks to corporate tax cuts repubs are a good affordable investment......for more corporate tax cuts.

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elvis

I'm not saying who the liar is here...maybe biden is wrong, maybe azar is lying.

Factcheck.org:

“[W]hen we were talking … early on in this crisis, we said — I said, among others, that, you know, you should get into China, get our experts there, we have the best in the world, get them in so we know what’s actually happening,” Biden, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, said at a CNN virtual town hall on March 27. “There was no effort to do that.”


Except that isn’t the case.

So now you don't believe Factcheck? Okay.

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patriciae_gw(07)

If the Trump Administration hadn't gutted out the CDC operation in China and closed the NSF offices in the first place they wouldn't be trying to get American scientists back into the country. The short term view of saving a little money versus the long term view of having researchers in place with connections inside the country is apparently a conservative vs liberal thing.

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elvis

patriciae_gw(07)

If the Trump Administration hadn't gutted out the CDC operation in China and closed the NSF offices in the first place they wouldn't be trying to get American scientists back into the country

Huh, please explain this statement. It sounds specious to me.

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cattyles

Explain specious.

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patriciae_gw(07)

She is accusing me of spreading a false story.

Since you don't believe me although this has been posted here several times before I suggest you do a search on the Trump administration removing people working for the CDC in China working with Chinese scientists. Lots of explanations from TA as to why they did it as in also why were they attempting to gut the CDC in Atlanta as well-unsuccessful but they were working on it and they did replace the top people with their own, some think to the significant detriment of the ability of CDC to do their job. The theory is the TA thought money was being wasted on work that was mostly in other countries and that benefited those countries instead of the US. As we can see the problems of other countries easily become our problems.

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elvis

Here you go, catty:

specious

[ˈspēSHəs]

ADJECTIVE

specious (adjective)

  1. superficially plausible, but actually wrong.

    "a specious argument"

  • misleading in appearance, especially misleadingly attractive.
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elvis

Specious, patriciae.

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Ziemia(6a)

So easy to tap that out. It's a nice word - specious.

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patriciae_gw(07)

specious

[ˈspēSHəs]

ADJECTIVE

  1. superficially plausible, but actually wrong.

    "a specious argument"


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Ziemia(6a)

spurious is another....

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Ziemia(6a)

specious and spurious are good together

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patriciae_gw(07)

The take away here is that from all appearances the Trump Administration (TA) thought that the money we were spending in other countries by having expensive Epidemiologists and other staff from the CDC located in other countries where they worked with the local scientists was money spent for the benefit of other countries rather than American. It was money wasted on the people elsewhere. The oh so small earth view of liberal types is not what Conservatives want to hear. Globalism is the chant and it is that Globalism is bad but as a flaming liberal I am here to tell you the earth is small and connected. We share the environment, the very air and sensible people make sure that areas that are not able to help themselves or those who will not help us are supervised and that is where the former CDC was working from. Not now of course. The TA and their supporters thought we were wasting valuable American money when we worked with African nations to limit the scourge of Ebola. It is a small world. We are a short plane ride away from total disaster every single day. Now that staff looks like money well spent.

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heri_cles

Elvis ;

Patriciae did not ma e a "specious" argument.

Check your facts before you make an accusation like that.


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Ziemia(6a)

Ah! She (elvis) made a spurious claim?

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cattyles

And specious.

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