Covid vs South Korea, what they did differently!

tryingtounderstand

Just read this article regarding how South Korea is apparently battling and winning this war. From the very conception of this virus, one wonders, if deaths Could have been prevented. The possibility if 200,000 deaths is horrific. Just wish the USA, with all it’s world class scientific and medical prowess, would have done the same As South Korea! In a nutshell: Early Testing, ongoing public info, country unity and social distancing seem to have paid off! Now it’s time for USA to learn...

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/south-korea-covid-19-containment-testing/


Since its first confirmed case of COVID-19 in late January, South Korea has shown a determination in the face of the virus that appears to be paying off. From a sudden spike in the number of cases to its decision to implement widespread testing, South Korea has shown itself able to respond quickly and decisively.

Although the rapidity with which COVID-19 took hold in South Korea initially surprised authorities, well-established strategies were soon put into place.

“But you need to plan and to stay one step ahead,” says Foreign Minister Kang. “We took an all-government approach. The Prime Minister created a task force of all government ministries and, crucially, all regional and city governments, too – we are a very devolved democracy.”

This joined-up strategy, involving the different regional authorities around the country soon paid off.

“When one region ran out of hospital beds we asked other provinces to open up beds in their hospitals. When it ran out of doctors we asked doctors in other regions to help,” she continues.

Foreign Minister Kang also explains that being open with people and securing their trust is vitally important. “The key to our success has been absolute transparency with the public – sharing every detail of how this virus is evolving, how it is spreading and what the government is doing about it, warts and all.”


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nhb_6

Yes, and compare this to what is happening in US - ignorance, incompetence, finger pointing, lies.

And the worst part is that even when there is a change in direction, like from "open churches for Easter" to "social distancing through end of April", there is no admission that old direction was wrong. Without admitting that you made a mistake there is no true learning from it and it shows that administration is not learning much.

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Zalco/bring back Sophie!

South Korea did/is doing an amazing job indeed.

One of their tactics, text messages about who has tested positive, where they live, and where they are, like driving from the airport to their house gives a sharp insight into the differences between our cultures.

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adoptedbyhounds

"And the worst part is that even when there is a change in direction, like from "open churches for Easter" to "social distancing through end of April", there is no admission that old direction was wrong."

What change in direction?

No one directed churches be opened by Easter, and social distancing continues.

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queenmargo

And the worst part is that even when there is a change in direction, like from "open churches for Easter" to "social distancing through end of April", there is no admission that old direction was wrong.

Repeating false stuff again. Easter was a "hope" date.

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ubro(2a)

South Korea may well be a country that we all will look up to.

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nhb_6

adoptedbyhounds

What change in direction?

-------------------------------------------------------------

From:

Per Fox News: "Trump sets goals to re-open US economy by Easter"

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/trump-sets-goal-to-re-open-us-economy-by-Easter

To:

Per Fox News: "Trump says coronavirus 'peak in death rate' likely in 2 weeks, extends social-distancing guidelines through April 30"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-briefing-death-rate-social-distancing


Is it the same direction?

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queenmargo

Yes, it is a step by step daily analysis. Nothing wrong with a hopeful projected goal.

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queenmargo

I would love it if this was all wrapped up by May 1st. This new hopeful date of 30 days is just that hopeful. When May 1st comes and if the ban is not lifted or felt safe then I am sure there will be another hopeful date. The left will be like .... TRUMP LIED, HE SAID THE PANDEMIC WOULD BE OVER.....once again doing what they do....twist the words and intentions.

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nhb_6

Nothing wrong with realistic hopeful projected goal, not the one that puts entire medical community into state of high alarm.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

“The Campaign Panicked”: Inside Trump’s Decision to Back Off of His Easter Coronavirus Miracle

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/inside-trumps-decision-to-back-off-of-his-easter-coronavirus-miracle

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The national debate set off by Donald Trump’s announcement that he wanted churches packed on Easter was, like so many Trump crises, a self-inflicted one. In the days after Trump tweeted that “WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF,” his medical advisers, led by Dr. The national debate set off by Donald Trump’s announcement that he wanted churches packed on Easter was, like so many Trump crises, a self-inflicted one. In the days after Trump tweeted that “WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF,” his medical advisers, led by Dr. Anthony Fauci, implored Trump not to relax the government’s social distancing guidelines. Trump dug in. “His view was: I need to show people that there is light at the end of the tunnel,” a former West Wing official told me. Under pressure, members of the coronavirus task force discussed privately how parts of the country might be opened in April, but cautioned Trump not to get locked into a specific timetable given the deteriorating conditions in New York hospitals and ominous upticks in cases in New Orleans, Detroit, and elsewhere. “They discussed it internally, but they never intended Trump to announce it,” a Republican working with the task force told me.

Trump’s impulsive decision—and its messy aftermath—consumed the West Wing during the critical week that governors were pleading with the White House to deliver medical supplies before hospital systems began to collapse. “It was totally crazy,” the Republican told me. Dr. Fauci, Senator Lindsey Graham, and others raced to convince Trump that an Easter opening would be a cataclysmic error that could cost millions of lives. “This is a very, very stressful situation for everybody, including me,” Fauci told me in a phone interview on Monday. By last weekend Fauci’s arguments broke through: Trump agreed to extend the social distancing guidelines until the end of April.

Trump’s latest tonal and tactical shift (and almost certainly not the last) was driven by several factors, both personal and political. Trump learned that his close friend, 78-year-old New York real estate mogul Stan Chera, had contracted COVID-19 and fallen into a coma at NewYork-Presbyterian. “Boy, did that hit home. Stan is like one of his best friends,” said prominent New York Trump donor Bill White. Trump also grew concerned as the virus spread to Trump country. “The polling sucked. The campaign panicked about the numbers in red states. They don’t expect to win states that are getting blown to pieces with coronavirus,” a former West Wing official told me. From the beginning of the crisis, Trump had struggled to see it as anything other than a political problem, subject to his usual arsenal of tweets and attacks and bombast. But he ultimately realized that as bad as the stock market was, getting coronavirus wrong would end his presidency. “The campaign doesn’t matter anymore,” he recently told a friend, “what I do now will determine if I get reelected.”

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

It doesn't take a PhD in Epidemiology to see the difference:

U.S.: first case-Jan 20
* no early testing
* no quarantine
* no DPA, lack of supplies
* 215,000 cases
* 5,100 dead
* adding > 1,000 deaths/day

South Korea: first case-Jan 19
* testing 10,000/day 1st week
* mass quarantine
* 9,900 cases
* 165 dead
* adding < 5 deaths/day

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nhb_6

And just to preempt that SK is a smaller country:

U.S.:

* 5,100 dead or 15.6 per million
* adding > 1,000 deaths/day or 3.1 per million

S.K.:

* 165 dead or 3.2 per million
* adding < 5 deaths/day or .1 per million

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Ziemia(6a)

Too many Americans are still not doing Social Distancing. Because the feds have just started advocating it and many governors still aren't?

My city started cutting out large public gatherings about March 10th & then on March 17th added more business restrictions and SD. Each day saw more taking it seriously.

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Tito Milian

Do you want to be forced to download an app which makes you register as an infected covid patient and have your every movement tracked by the government and pay fines of thousands and thousands of dollars if you violate? Do you want your temperature taken every where you go? It’s astounding how many Americans don’t realize the fundamental rights that would be violated if we followed South Korea model.

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queenmargo

The globalists are working hard Tito.

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how2girl

Tito Milian

Do you want to be forced to download an app which makes you register as an infected covid patient and have your every movement tracked by the government and pay fines of thousands and thousands of dollars if you violate? Do you want your temperature taken every where you go? It’s astounding how many Americans don’t realize the fundamental rights that would be violated if we followed South Korea model.


Do you want this situation to go on for months on end?


There should be more of this...not press briefings that are pseudo campaign rallies where he proclaims that he’s No1 on Facebook!


Foreign Minister Kang also explains that being open with people and securing their trust is vitally important. “The key to our success has been absolute transparency with the public – sharing every detail of how this virus is evolving, how it is spreading and what the government is doing about it, warts and all.”

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Tito Milian

“ Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.“

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olliesmom

South Korea to United States is apples to oranges. Just wouldn't fly in America. Americans are the land of the free-even in these hard times. South Korea is always very controlled by their government. Yes, would be great in a pandemic like we have now-but we all know this is not the normal way Americans live.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

Plus we have an imbecile as president.

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lurker111

Nothing wrong with realistic hopeful projected goal, not the one that puts entire medical community into state of high alarm.

"I need 30,000 ventilators now!!!"

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lurker111

The crats are begging for martial law. Unreal.

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Tito Milian

They’re begging for a dictator. Go figure!

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queenmargo

Why do the left take to bashing the American Way every chance they get?

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olliesmom

^^^LOL!

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queenmargo

Then next thing you know the Dems will want Trump to have warnings blaring from speakers all day and night.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

Note the Black/White thinking:
If you want restrictions to keep millions of people from dying you hate America.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

^^^ oh-oh, someone here may accuse you of race baiting...

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

False Dichotomy had too many syllables.

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ubro(2a)

South Korea to United States is apples to oranges. Just wouldn't fly in America. Americans are the land of the free-even in these hard times.

Do you want to be forced to download an app which makes you register as an infected covid patient and have your every movement tracked by the government and pay fines of thousands and thousands of dollars if you violate? Do you want your temperature taken every where you go? It’s astounding how many Americans don’t realize the fundamental rights that would be violated if we followed South Korea model.


Give me freedom or give me death (sarcasm)

Unfortunately choosing to act in a manner that possibly results in death for another should not be a personal freedom. Now if you want to kiss a covid patient on the mouth and die as a result, have at er, but to choose to spread that virus and take others with you, not a freedom to fight for.

When anyone returning from the USA crosses the boarder their name and number are taken, they are told they need to quarantine for 14 days, follow up is done to ensure they comply, and hefty fines are levied for those who put other peoples lives at risk by violating the order.


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nhb_6

Week later:

U.S.:

* 18,637 dead or 56 per million

S.K.:

* 208 dead or 4 per million


Still do not want to learn anything from South Korea?

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nhb_6

And another week later:

U.S.:

* 35,353 dead or 107 per million

S.K.:

* 230 dead or 4 per million

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nhb_6


And yet another week:

U.S.:

* 50,243 dead or 152 per million

S.K.:

* 240 dead or 5 per million


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tryingtounderstand

@nhb, thank you for keeping up with the tallies (:

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nhb_6

Another week:

U.S.: 63,871 dead or 193 per million

S.K.: 248 dead or 5 per million

Australia: 93 dead or 4 per million

Germany: 6,623 dead or 79 per million


Still doing "terrific job" according to Trump supporters....

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nhb_6

Another tribute to how well our administration is doing:

U.S.: 77,058 dead or 233 per million ( 21% increase since last week)

S.K.: 256 dead or 5 per million ( 3% )

Australia: 97 dead or 4 per million (4% )

Germany: 7,392 dead or 88 per million ( 12% )


Certainly time to start going to gym ...

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nhb_6

U.S.: 87,662 dead or 265 per million (14% increase since last week)

S.K.: 260 dead or 5 per million ( 2% )

Australia: 98 dead or 4 per million (1% )

Germany: 7,933 dead or 95 per million ( 7% )


Wisconsin can go to bars thanks to GOP ...

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dandyfopp

More deaths than any other country in the world.

My state alone has more deaths than South Korea.



This is what happens when you want a reality tv president.


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tryingtounderstand

Since Canada and USA have very close ties, share similar cultures and lifestyles, it’s interesting to note it’s stats: 5,592 deaths, pop 37 million or

150.9 deaths per million

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Gizmo

lurker111

Nothing wrong with realistic hopeful projected goal, not the one that puts entire medical community into state of high alarm.

"I need 30,000 ventilators now!!!"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Interesting, sneering at those that want to save lives, but cheering on those(Trump/Pubs) that didn't/don't care because they're so thirsty for a win in Nov

Also, Trump wasn't being realistic...it was magical thinking.He had no clue about how a virus spreadsand in a couple of weeks it'll go poof...all gone.


BTW - he still doesn't today.

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nhb_6

U.S.: 96,385 dead or 291 per million (10% increase since last week)

S.K.: 264 dead or 5 per million ( 2% )

Australia: 101 dead or 4 per million (3% )

Germany: 8,316 dead or 99 per million ( 5% )

Canada: 6,152 dead or 163 per million


US has almost 3 times more death per million than Germany.

US has almost 2 times more death per million than Canada.

Not even comparable to South Korea and Australia.

Why?

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

Has anybody here been to S Korea?


If you have ever been there you would know that S Koreans are missing a significant factor that is very very prevalent in the US.


Obesity, and its related medical issues like heart disease, diabetes and strokes, are not anywhere near as prevalent in S Korea.


But, sure, it must be the testing.

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patriciae_gw(07)

Plenty of fat Germans.

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nhb_6

Jonnygun ,

it is a good point. Obesity rates could certainly contribute to those numbers but it it certainly not a direct correlation:


U.S.: 96,385 dead or 291 per million (10% increase since last week); Obesity - 36.2%

S.K.: 264 dead or 5 per million ( 2% ); Obesity - 4.7%

Australia: 101 dead or 4 per million (3% ); Obesity - 29%

Germany: 8,316 dead or 99 per million ( 5% ); Obesity - 22.3%

Canada: 6,152 dead or 163 per million; Obesity - 29.4%


Obesity is certainly an important topic on it's own. Just 2 interesting facts:

1. Obesity rate in North Korea - 6.8% vs South Korea - 4.7%

2. US obesity rate is the highest among developed nations.


PS. I certainly do not think that testing is the only factor in differences between those countries. Do you think that it does not make a difference at all?

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tryingtounderstand

One should not be complacent with this disease. Ontario has had severe lockdown measures put in place. Now it is trying to safely open up. Guess what...new cases are arising which is very concerning. After 10 days of daily case counts being below 400 in Ontario, health officials confirmed 427 new cases of the disease on Tuesday. The number of new patients logged on Wednesday then dipped down to 390 and rose back above 400 on Thursday. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-premier-calls-highest-jump-in-covid-19-cases-in-two-weeks-concerning-1.4950153

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