Nearly two-thirds of voters expect Trump to win reelection in November

dublinbay z6 (KS)

Bad news. Please don't shoot the messenger (that's me)!

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"Nearly two-thirds of voters think President Donald Trump will be reelected in November, a CBS News poll released Sunday found.

Though the survey found that Trump will face a tight race with any of the likely Democratic nominees, 31% of registered voters said the president will definitely win a second term, and 34% said he probably will, for a total of 65% expecting him to be reelected.. . .

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Opinions on the race appear to be firmly set for most voters. Sixty-three percent said their minds are made up no matter who the Democratic nominee ends up being, and 61% said they wouldn't change their position no matter what Trump does in the next year.

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But the CBS News poll found that most voters believe Sanders is the Democratic candidate with the best chance to defeat Trump, with 27% saying he would "probably" win against the incumbent president and 30% saying he "maybe" could win. Forty-two percent described him as a long shot, which was the lowest number among the six candidates in the poll.

By comparison, 26% said Biden would "probably" win, 29% thought he could "maybe" win and 45% thought he was a long shot. Bloomberg had the third-best numbers in the field, with 20% saying he would "probably" win, 32% saying maybe and 48% calling him a long shot.

Among likely Democratic primary voters, 54% said that whoever ends up being the Democratic nominee, they should run on a platform of advancing a more progressive agenda than under President Barack Obama, while 46% said the message should be to return the country to the way it was before Trump took office. "


https://www.yahoo.com/news/nearly-two-thirds-voters-expect-172013035.html

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How is that for depressing news?


Kate

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

A little bit of good news to balance out the above bad news.

I checked '538' which lists more info. about the above poll which also covered how the Dem. candidates would do against Trump in several key swing states (that gave Trump his electoral victory by a slim margin).

I'm happy to report that in Wisconsin and Michigan, the Dem. candidates--in almost all cases--are viewed as likely to beat Trump!

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

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We can give a little cheer, at least, for that bit of news.

Kate

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kadefol

If everyone who wants trump gone actually goes to the polls and votes, he will NOT be reelected. His base is shrinking and he is not picking up many new supporters. So let's all get out there and vote, instead of expecting defeat long before voting day.

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queenmargo

Yes, a vote for Commie Bernie will show Trump. This is what they call cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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millworkman

"His base is shrinking and he is not picking up many new supporters. "

Really?

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kadefol

I'd vote for Bozo the clown before I'd vote for trump, lol.

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kadefol

Yes, millworkman. Lots of info out there regarding trumps shrinking base and minimal new supporters.

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jlhug

I don’t want Trump and I don’t want Bernie. I guess I’ll have to write in Bozo.

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queenmargo

I hope Bozo does get some write ins ;) Better to be true to yourself.

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kadefol

I've read of people doing that before. :) Not going to waste my vote though.

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jlhug

I hope that a middle of the road candidate will “throw his or her hat into the ring”.

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Nana H

Jhug, I hear you. Two so extremely divisive candidates doesn' t bode well for the country. However, that's what I think it has come to.

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lurker111

I think non voters such as myself are going to come out in droves.

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foodonastump

Nearly two-thirds of voters expect Trump to win reelection in November

That’s all?


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Toby

Remember when Trumpers said it'd be okay to elect him because Congress would control him with checks and balances? That worked out exactly as imagined, didn't it? /s

So we now know there will be absolutely no checks and balances on Trump. If you don't like him now, think of what he's capable of becoming in his unchecked second term. If Bernie is the nominee, we will at least have a GOP Senate who will check him. Chances are almost nil that we'll pick up three Senate seats and hold onto Doug Jones' seat to win the Senate. The Dem moderates outnumber the progressives in the House too, unlike the GOP, which has fully embraced Trumpism. So I'm voting against extremism, and that's for the Dem nominee, even if it's Bernie.

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kadefol

I think non voters such as myself are going to come out in droves.

Am hoping the same for dems.

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queenmargo

Not sure if the deadbeats that would vote for Bernie will come out without some sort of incentive at the moment. Maybe a "free" sandwich?

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Ann

I'm one of the 2/3 who think Trump is likely to win.

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kadefol

Not sure if the deadbeats that would vote for Bernie will come out
without some sort of incentive at the moment. Maybe a "free" sandwich?

Free sandwiches sure couldn't compete with the millions in tax breaks and all the environmental rollbacks trump has implemented to benefit his industry pals.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

With the roles that Cambridge Analytica and Hillary's stolen e-mails played in the 2016 election, there's reason to doubt that the 2020 vote will be free and fair --- especially as Trump refuses to acknowledge Russia's meddling then or now.

Why would it hurt Trump to push McConnell to approve the election protection bills -- hmmm?

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justerrilynn(10)

I think Trump will most likely win. However, the Democrats need not get depressed over it as the pendulum always swings. You might have a good candidate in 2024. I’m hoping it will not be someone like Bernie though.

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Joaniepoanie

jhug....please don’t pull a 2016 and stay home or do a write-in. If you really don’t want Fascist Trump, please vote blue no matter who.

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catkinZ8a

Duh.

We've been yelling it from the rooftop for years.

Most choose not to listen.

Pity. Not.

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HU-806720425

Part of the scheme to manipulate voter opinion prior to the 2016 Pres election was to discourage voters about Hillary and to paint Trump as the lesser of two evils. And remember the plumper telling blacks “what do you have to lose “ by voting for him. Things will be different in Nov. Trump has made millions of Americans angry as he 11 and they will be voting against him this time.

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catkinZ8a

The age of accountability is 8.

If people don't vote, it's on them, no one or nothing else.

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arthurm2015(Micro-Climate, Zone 10b Sydney, Australia)

So, what is the voter turnout as a proportion of enrolled voters?

What is the guess of voters enrolled related to Total eligible voters?

And so on.

If I was there, and am not a political junkie, I would just turnoff. Wall to wall continuous politics is a turnoff.

A long long time ago, aged 18, I was enrolled, didn't apply to get enrolled.

Voted every election ever since, there is a fine for not voting, not to sure how many people, if any, get fined.

Maybe, only a maybe, the USA would be a better place if the voter turnout was 91%.


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wildchild2x2

I believe Trump will win again. I would like to see 4 for years of getting things done. I think he has just begun and I am pleased with the most part. Finally took the strangle hold liberals had on the courts for one. Even if he should lose we are in a better position than the one Obama left us.

If Bernie wins it will be a setback for the country. However it will just be four years of nothingness. I agree with Toby on this point. The system of checks and balances will work to keep the little socialist in his place. This will be a bipartisan effort. Both Dems and Repubs will unite against the delusional commie. Republicans will most likely take back the house at some point during his "reign". The judges are ready for the challenges. No worries unless another country takes the advantage of the temporary weakness to declare war on us.

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jlhug

Joanie, I disagree too strongly with too many of Bernie’s stands to vote for him. I also can’t vote for Trump. I don’t want either of them to be president.


I’m still hoping that a decent independent will come forward. I’m guessing that I’m not alone in my wishes. I’m tired of voting against candidates. I want someone I can for for because I like them and the platform they are running on.

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lurker111

Funny stuff in this thread.

Remember when Trumpers said it'd be okay to elect him because Congress would control him with checks and balances?

Nope. lol!!! Never heard anything of the sort.

Part of the scheme to manipulate voter opinion prior to the 2016 Pres
election was to discourage voters.

We had a record turnout. LOL!!!!!

I’m still hoping that a decent independent will come forward.

LOL!!!!!

Maybe, only a maybe, the USA would be a better place if the voter turnout was 91%.

LOL!!!!!

Just a few of the laughs. ^^^^^

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Of the available Dem candidates, Sanders is towards the bottom of my list, but I can vote for him if he wins the nomination. I'm not sure which of his policies some anti-trumpers feel they can't support. Medicare-for-all, perhaps?

I wouldn't worry too much about that. As Obama found out, by the time hundreds of representatives and senators finally get around to passing any Medicare bill, it will have been toned down considerably. Probably more of a Medicare-for-everyone-who-wants-it plus private insurance for everybody else--or something like that. Or Medicare-for-everyone-over-50. You can be sure that the Obamacare that actually got through Congress was not very much like what Obama himself had wanted in the beginning. Lots of compromises along the way in order to get enough votes. Sanders will have a similar experience.

Some free education past high school? Maybe 2 years? Not a bad idea. Not every young person will want it, but it would be a good thing for those who do. In my grandfather's time, an 8th grade education was good enough; next, a h.s. degree was necessary; in the future, more than a h.s. education will be needed.

I guess those are the two big ones that worry some voters. What else gets them nervous about Bernie?

And we don't need any "commie" scare talk from the pro-trumpers. We recognize propaganda when we see it.

In fact, I don't see anything to get really alarmed at as far as Bernie is concerned, even if he is one of my last choices. But I can still support him if he wins the primaries.

Kate

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

Bernie is a loon. Free everything and the radical reduction of the military makes me unhappy. Imagine his executive orders...

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Toby

Amen, Kate! Judging by their tactics, Bernie must be the only one who they think has a chance of beating Trump. They see the crowds and they hear his populist message and it reminds them of another candidate who shocked us all. They feel he must be stopped just as we tried to stop that other candidate, but it is the people who will decide our candidate, not Trump supporters or Republicans.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

I'm one of the 2/3 who think Trump is likely to win.

I was one of the 9/10ths that thought Hillary would win. Face it, we Americans are bad with fractions.

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Chi

I prefer people think he will win over assuming he will easily be defeated. I think that was the mistake made in 2016.

I think a lot of the sentiment is also just people being beaten down constantly by the corruption in Trump's administration and becoming jaded and pessimistic. I know that's how I feel.

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queenmargo

Chi- how have you been beaten down lol lol? What corruption has personally beaten you down? A fake impeachment? A fake dossier? A fake media? You should feel beaten down by those things.

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Joaniepoanie

The thing is, even if the Dems flip the senate does anyone really believe Bernie‘s or Liz’s pie in the sky agendas will get passed? I don’t. And I’m not about to sit back and say “well, I don’t like Bernie, or Liz, or Pete or whoever so I’m going to pout and not play.” That mind-set opens the door for another Trump win and the stakes are just too high now to let that happen as we see Trump more and more everyday becoming a full-on dictator.

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Ann

"Amen, Kate! Judging by their tactics, Bernie must be the only one who they think has a chance of beating Trump. They see the crowds and they hear his populist message and it reminds them of another candidate who shocked us all. They feel he must be stopped just as we tried to stop that other candidate, but it is the people who will decide our candidate, not Trump supporters or Republicans."

Tactics? Face it, Bernie is doing so well because one heck of a lot of people in the Dem party support him. His crowds are no joke and they aren't a bunch of Republicans hoping Bernie will win. These Dems in those huge Bernie crowds are the people deciding your nominee!

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Lisa

Parent to child: What do you mean you're not voting?
Child (who just turned 18): Why bother?
Parent: Listen to the debates and see what their proposing.
Child: Free tuition. That sound good. OK, I'll vote.
Parent: What about overall policies?
Child: Who cares. I just want all that free stuff they're promising me.

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Iris GW

I think Bernie is the left's reaction just like Trump was the right's reaction.

Not voting or voting for an independent really says you just don't care who wins. And that's your choice, but be honest about what you're doing.

Bernie is very exciting to young voters and they could certainly put him over the top should they choose to do so.

I do think that the moderates of the Democratic party (the Dem Congressmen/women and Senators) will keep Bernie was creating the kinds of changes that "Socialist!" people rail against. He will push some things towards the left but it won't be the hair-on-fire socialist policies that Trump and Russian-bots are screaming about.

And of course they are all hoping to scare people into not voting for Bernie. The fact is, we now know what Trump will do. So if you want more environmental degradation, more shame on the global stage and inhumane global policies (we got ours, screw the rest of the world except for Israel), more disparagement of career military and civil servants, throw your vote to some third party independent and watch it circle the drain.

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Iris GW

Child: Who cares. I just want all that free stuff they're promising me.

Sure, say that about the youth of America. Insult them at your peril. It worked so well when Hillary called Trump supporters 'deployable' didn't it? Please proceed.

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Chi

Is that a conversation you had with your child, Lisa?

I think most 18 year olds are smart enough to realize it's not "free" anymore than their primary schooling was free or driving on roads is free or using the library is free or calling the fire department is free. If they don't realize it, that would be a good teachable moment for parents.

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Ann

"Not voting or voting for an independent really says you just don't care who wins. And that's your choice, but be honest about what you're doing."

Whoa, let the attempted shaming begin! I especially noticed this part: "really says you just don't care who wins". I'd strongly argue it "says" precisely what the voter placing the vote or not placing a vote has decided is their personal reasoning for doing so!

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Iris GW

No intended shaming - but thanks for trying to interpret what I said ... which I believe is precisely what you don't like people to do with YOUR comments.

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Chi

I agree with Iris. People have the right to vote as they want, but voting independent means that person is throwing away their input into who wins or loses the election. It's essentially the same as not voting when it comes to impacting the election.

The two party system won't be going away anytime soon and the reality is that the small percentage of independent votes would often be enough to swing the election if they voted instead for the two primary candidates.

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queenmargo

I don't know how some can manage to type with all they have been "beaten down" with lol

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adoptedbyhounds

“Not voting or voting for an independent really says you just don’t care who wins.”

Good heavens. How is that declative sentence open to interpretation? What were you trying to say that Ann misinterpreted?

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Iris GW

Ann interpreted that I was trying to shame people. I wasn't.

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catkinZ8a

Bernie is NOT a populist, he's SWAMP.


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Toby

They see the crowds and they hear his populist message and it reminds them of another candidate who shocked us all.

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patriceny

I think if the Dems nominate Bernie, Trump wins.

Bernie is a worse nominee than Hillary was from the Democratic perspective. He's just as polarizing, if not more.

I've said this several times here before so bear with me if you've read it already, but I'm one of the undecided voters. I tend to lean libertarian, so I don't fit neatly into either main party.

I will not in a million years vote for Bernie. I don't know any undecided voters who will vote for him. That's why I keep asking people who post here, who identify as Democrats, whether their main goal is to beat Trump or to nominate the candidate who most closely aligns with their view of where the country needs to go.

I don't think Bernie stands a chance in a general election. If the Democrats want to win, they need to pick someone who can appeal to the undecided. So yes, if the Democratic establishment and Democratic voters are dumb enough to pick Bernie, then they lose. IMO, of course.

You know what stinks the most - if I'm wrong, we all lose. Ha ha. I've seen this game play out before. Bernie wins, and guaranteed my taxes go way up. His "free everything for everyone" plan will hit the middle class the worst. Sigh.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Gee, where did my post go about my children, at age 18, being more informed and intelligent than the 18 yr olds Lisa was slinging mud at?

Kate

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arthurm2015(Micro-Climate, Zone 10b Sydney, Australia)

Another day in the Commie/Socialist Hell hole! Off to little Augusta golf course.

Taxes,Taxes. Taxes.

Green Fees Taxed 10%

Golf cart hire Taxed 10%****

Refreshments at 19th hole,Taxed according to happiness content.

Sigh!

All you have to do to win in the USA (land of scrooges) is mention the T word.

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elvis

We recognize propaganda when we see it.

In fact, I don't see anything to get really alarmed at as far as Bernie is concerned...

Whoo boy.

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Ann

"Ann interpreted that I was trying to shame people. I wasn't."

"Not voting or voting for an independent really says you just don't care who wins. And that's your choice, but be honest about what you're doing."

Oh, did you consider this comment of yours as a compliment to a citizen/voter? Or, as just a neutral statement?

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Iris GW

It's just a statement, Ann.

Please don't try to put spin on it.

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Toby

Not voting because you don't like the candidates means that you'll accept whoever wins. You just don't want to be part of the process.

Anyone who mostly cares about their taxes is going to vote for Trump. That's GOP ideology at its core.

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cyn427 NoVaZone7

Part of the scheme to manipulate voter opinion prior to the 2016 Pres
election was to discourage voters.

We had a record turnout. LOL!!!!!"

Nope, sorry. As is often the case with RWers, this statement is not true. Higher percentage of voters turned out in 2008 and all the presidential elections form 1952-1968.

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Ann

"Joanie, I disagree too strongly with too many of Bernie’s stands to vote for him. I also can’t vote for Trump. I don’t want either of them to be president.

I’m still hoping that a decent independent will come forward. I’m guessing that I’m not alone in my wishes. I’m tired of voting against candidates. I want someone I can for for because I like them and the platform they are running on."

"Not voting or voting for an independent really says you just don't care who wins. And that's your choice, but be honest about what you're doing."

"It's just a statement, Ann.

Please don't try to put spin on it."

Seems to me like jlhug was very "honest" about why they would not place a vote for Bernie or Trump. Also, it certainly doesn't sound to me like a person who doesn't care.

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Chi

People are allowed to have differing opinions on whether voting for a 3rd party is a wasted vote or not. I don't understand this intense questioning/challenging going on.

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Ziemia(6a)

Our prez election is basically a 2 party choice for victory. In the last election, there were a lot of "3rd party" (lumping them together) votes - which would have impacted the outcome.

One of the two is going to win. Voting "3rd" party means both majors are equally bad and your chosen candidate won't be winning. You knowingly vote for one that is going to lose. You are sending a message but not voting for a viable winner.

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jlhug

I should have added "right now" to my post. I'm fed up with voting for the "lesser of too evils" or voting against a candidate instead of voting for someone whose good points exceed their bad points.

I think some here give people too much credit for being able to see beyond their situation. The clients I see are seeing more free stuff heading their way. They have no concern about how the country will pay for it. My clients include many people who get EITC. Right now they have their blinders on to anything that doesn't involve when their refund is going to "drop". They are "all about me". Wave money in their face and no one else matters except for a very few.

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adoptedbyhounds

"Ann interpreted that I was trying to shame people. I wasn't."

"Not voting or voting for an independent really says you just don't care who wins. And that's your choice, but be honest about what you're doing."

Whoa! Telling another participant her decision to skip voting, or vote for an independent means "you just don't care" isn't your call to make. Neither is your personal admonishment to "be honest about what you're doing," because it implies dishonesty rather than simply a difference of opinion.

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Chi

"Whoa! Telling another participant her decision to skip voting, or vote for an independent means "you just don't care" isn't your call to make. "

Where did she tell another participant that? I don't see anyone referred to by name or even quoted.

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Iris GW

Wave money in their face and no one else matters except for a very few.

You know, I felt that republicans felt exactly that way about the Trump and the GOP promising a tax cut.

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Tilly Teabag

Golf courses are sick and tired of Trump’s carts rolling over them. So they are pleading for the sake of the earth, vote Greens!




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jlhug

Toby, I do care who wins. I think either of the current front runners would be a poor choice to be President. What would you do if you strongly disliked both candidates? I know many people who feel the same way I do

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jlhug

Iris, I agree that the tax cuts were the same as waving free tuition and student loan forgiveness in voters’ faces.

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Love stone homes

Trump is likely to win. But what is scary is 2024 and beyond. Let’s see, Don Jr, Ivanka, Eric. Spouses too all the way down to Baron in future years. Running the country Could become a Trump family business!

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Joaniepoanie

jhug—-Bernie is not my first choice either. I wish I were more excited about any of the candidates. For me, the priority is to get Trump out and so I will vote Dem no matter who the nominee. I do not want to see us become an authoritarian fascist dictatorship and that is where Trump is taking us. Not voting or voting 3rd party is not an option if we want Trump out. I will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee with the knowledge that his main platform policies—Medicare for All and free college tuition—-have little to no chance of getting passed.

Any Dem candidate will restore calm and order to the WH and Cabinet. They will surround themself with qualified experts and listen to them. They will be the antithesis of Trump. If we lose this election, we are lost for good I fear.

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Ziemia(6a)

Don't worry - the GOP Senate will curtail Bernie.

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Ann

"Don't worry - the GOP Senate will curtail Bernie."

If Bernie wins (and I think that unlikely), I very much doubt there will be a GOP Senate. Senate "party" votes frequently follow presidential votes in a state (especially in the last several decades). Especially with Bernie's views likely being the furthest left of them all (the Dem senate candidates), I'd think it even more likely if a state goes for Bernie, there is an especially high likelihood that state will go for the Dem senate choice.

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elvis

I voted for Ross Perot.

Twice. Sue me.

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elvis

I do not want to see us become an authoritarian banana republic and that is where Trump is taking us.

For those who don't know what "banana republic" means, and there apparently a few here:

NOUN

derogatory

banana republics (plural noun)

  1. a small nation, especially in Central America, dependent on one crop or the influx of foreign capital.


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Toby

People can like their senator but despise Trump. You'd be hard pressed to come up with three Senate seats that the Dems will flip and hold onto Jones' seat too.

We had this conversation last week.

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HU-885118952

, I'd think it even more likely if a state goes for Bernie, there is an
especially high likelihood that state will go for the Dem senate choice.

I think it's possible that Bernie will leave many motivated to vote Republican downticket, especially if one lives in a blue state.

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Ann

Yes we did discuss it, Toby, and I strongly disagree with you. IF (big if:) Bernie wins, I think Gardner, Collins, Tillis, and McSally would all lose. I also think both Georgia Senate seats would be in jeopardy. Again, IF Bernie wins - but if so, I think all those seats could and very likely would flip.

If Trump wins, I think it likely one or two of those (at the most) will flip and Jones will be a GOP pick up - and potentially Peters too.

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Toby

Ann, I'm surprised you think Tillis' and the Georgia seats would flip to blue.

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HU-806720425

Just read Richard Painter Tweet about Bernie. Suffice it to say he doesn’t think he has a chance. https://twitter.com/RWPUSA/status/1232081547362291712?s=20

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Joaniepoanie

Elvis, you’re right. What I really meant was a dictatorship, but I think most people got the gist.

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Ann

Toby, since I don't think Bernie will win I don't think those seats will flip. But, a Bernie win would indicate to me that a huge change was happening in the country and within many states. If enough states are voting for a Democratic Socialist, I'd say maybe even more than those GOP senators are at risk of losing their seats.

But, my guess is Trump will win, the Senate will stay within one of the numerical majority the GOP now has and the GOP will also pick up a fairly sizable number of House seats, but not get a House majority. A Bernie win could result in a clean sweep IMO - including the Senate and House too.

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Ann

"Zzzzzzzz…"

Lol, kind of like I feel about HT in general right now:) Sort of a slow time, it seems, but a lot going on in the news so it's somewhat surprising.

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catkinZ8a

Anyone who wants to keep their hard-earned money!

College for All and Cancel Student Debt

It will cost $2.2 trillion to make public colleges, universities and trade schools tuition-free and to cancel all student debt over the next decade. It is fully paid for by a modest tax on Wall Street speculation that will raise an estimated $2.4 trillion over ten years. Click here to read the plan.

Expanding Social Security

Bernie’s bill to expand Social Security will increase benefits for low-income senior citizens and people with disabilities by more than $1,300 a year. It is fully paid for by making the wealthiest 1.8 percent of Americans – those with incomes over $250,000 a year – pay the same rate into Social Security as working families.

This bill will also extend the solvency of Social Security into the year 2070 – ensuring that Social Security can pay every benefit owed to every eligible American for the next 50 years.

Click here to read the plan.

Housing for All

Bernie’s proposal to guarantee housing as a human right and to eliminate homelessness will cost $2.5 trillion over the next decade. It is fully paid for by a wealth tax on the top one-tenth of one percent – those who have a net worth of at least $32 million. (Bernie’s wealth tax will raise a total of $4.35 trillion.)

Click here to read Bernie's plan to tax on extreme wealth.

Universal Childcare/Pre-K

Bernie’s proposal to guarantee universal childcare and pre-school to every family in America who needs it will cost $1.5 trillion. It is fully paid for by a wealth tax on the top 0.1 percent – those who have a net worth of at least $32 million. (Bernie’s wealth tax will raise a total of $4.35 trillion.)

Click here to read the tax plan.

Eliminating Medical Debt

Bernie has introduced a proposal to eliminate all of the $81 billion in past due medical debt held by 79 million Americans. It is fully paid for by establishing an income inequality tax on large corporations that pay CEOs at least 50 times more than average workers. .

Click here to read the tax plan.

Green New Deal

The $16.3 trillion climate change proposal that Bernie has introduced will fundamentally transform our energy system away from fossil fuel and towards energy efficiency and renewable energy. It will also create 20 million good-paying union jobs in the process.

It is fully paid for by:

  • Raising $3.085 trillion by making the fossil fuel industry pay for their pollution, through litigation, fees, and taxes, and eliminating federal fossil fuel subsidies.
  • Generating $6.4 trillion in revenue from the wholesale of energy produced by the regional Power Marketing Administrations. This revenue will be collected from 2023-2035, and after 2035 electricity will be virtually free, aside from operations and maintenance costs.
  • Reducing defense spending by $1.215 trillion by scaling back military operations on protecting the global oil supply.
  • Collecting $2.3 trillion in new income tax revenue from the 20 million new jobs created by the plan.
  • Saving $1.31 trillion by reduced the need for federal and state safety net spending due to the creation of millions of good-paying, unionized jobs.
  • Raising $2 trillion in revenue by making large corporations pay their fair share of taxes.

Key Points:

  • By averting climate catastrophe we will save: $2.9 trillion over 10 years, $21 trillion over 30 years and $70.4 trillion over 80 years.
  • If we do not act, the U.S. will lose $34.5 trillion by the end of the century in economic productivity.

Click here to read the tax plan.

Medicare for All

According to a February 15, 2020 study by epidemiologists at Yale University, the Medicare for All bill that Bernie wrote would save over $450 billion in health care costs and prevent 68,000 unnecessary deaths – each and every year.

Since 2016, Bernie has proposed a menu of financing options that would more than pay for the Medicare for All legislation he has introduced according to the Yale study.

These options include:

  • Creating a 4 percent income-based premium paid by employees, exempting the first $29,000 in income for a family of four.

In 2018, the typical working family paid an average of $6,015 in premiums to private health insurance companies. Under this option, a typical family of four earning $60,000, would pay a 4 percent income-based premium to fund Medicare for All on income above $29,000 – just $1,240 a year – saving that family $4,775 a year. Families of four making less than $29,000 a year would not pay this premium.

(Revenue raised: About $4 trillion over 10 years.)

  • Imposing a 7.5 percent income-based premium paid by employers, exempting the first $1 million in payroll to protect small businesses.

In 2018, employers paid an average of $14,561 in private health insurance premiums for a worker with a family of four. Under this option, employers would pay a 7.5 percent payroll tax to help finance Medicare for All – just $4,500 – a savings of more than $10,000 a year.

(Revenue raised: Over $5.2 trillion over 10 years.)

  • Eliminating health tax expenditures, which would no longer be needed under Medicare for All.

(Revenue raised: About $3 trillion over 10 years.)

  • Raising the top marginal income tax rate to 52% on income over $10 million.

(Revenue raised: About $700 billion over 10 years.)

  • Replacing the cap on the state and local tax deduction with an overall dollar cap of $50,000 for a married couple on all itemized deductions.

(Revenue raised: About $400 billion over 10 years.)

  • Taxing capital gains at the same rates as income from wages and cracking down on gaming through derivatives, like-kind exchanges, and the zero tax rate on capital gains passed on through bequests.

(Revenue raised: About $2.5 trillion over 10 years.)

  • Enacting the For the 99.8% Act, which returns the estate tax exemption to the 2009 level of $3.5 million, closes egregious loopholes, and increases rates progressively including by adding a top tax rate of 77% on estate values in excess of $1 billion.

(Revenue raised: $336 billion over 10 years.)

  • Enacting corporate tax reform including restoring the top federal corporate income tax rate to 35 percent.

(Revenue raised: $3 trillion ,of which $1 trillion would be used to help finance Medicare for All and $2 trillion would be used for the Green New Deal.)

  • Using $350 billion of the amount raised from the tax on extreme wealth to help finance Medicare for All.






https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-does-bernie-pay-his-major-plans/

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Well, that gets us into the nickels and dimes of his plan, but I must confess, I have no idea if any or all of that is practical or workable.

Kate

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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

A proposal is one thing; getting it passed is a whole other thing. If it's Bernie, he will not by any means get what he wants, not even close. We've seen how that works in almost all instances. So, gird your loins if he is the nominee, and consider him by far, far, far, very much the lesser of two evils. We can already see where we are headed with Trump, and it is an unmitigated disaster even at this point; it will only get worse. If you look at it that way, as a lover of a democracy and a republic, there is only one way to vote. It is as simple as that.

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patriceny

I'm sorry Ingrid, but I just don't agree with you that Bernie is a lesser evil than Trump. And I think unfortunately for the Democrats, there are a whole lot of other undecided/independent people out there just like me.

If Bernie is the Democratic nominee, Trump wins again.

Please don't take this to mean I'm a huge Trump fan. I'm not. However it concerns me that so many people despise Trump's demeanor but then are avid Bernie supporters.

Before you all get the pitchforks and torches ready to come after me, the way I see it is this: MOST people mitigate the worst of their anger and frustration in public. (Yes I am aware Trump doesn't - that's why I said most.) However Bernie is a career politician. And so for him to be as frothy at the mouth as he always is in public scares the heck out of me, because I assume he's way worse in private then.

Combine that with I can never support or get behind any of his "free everything for everyone" approach, and I can't vote for him.

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Chi

I think any eventual candidate will be slightly polarizing. Bernie will lose some, but I also think he will gain a lot of young voters who probably wouldn't otherwise vote. I have a feeling the youth turnout will be record-breaking.

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queenmargo

I have a feeling the youth turnout will be record-breaking.

They only hear the "free" stuff.

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Chi

Yes, that's what the right assumes. I disagree.

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zmith

Please keep reporting all the "free" stuff the Dems are promising. It only helps them.

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

They dont like free stuff? Seems to be all that Bernie is offering.

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Chi

More like young people see the value of a healthy population that isn't swamped down with student loan debt as they enter adulthood and face housing and cost of living costs that far exceeds what their parents and grandparents dealt with.

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haydayhayday

Chi:

"More like young people see the value of a healthy population that isn't swamped down with student loan debt as they enter adulthood and face housing and cost of living costs that far exceeds what their parents and grandparents dealt with."

Kate:

"Well, that gets us into the nickels and dimes of his plan, but I must confess, I have no idea if any or all of that is practical or workable."

Pretty much says it all.

Hay


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Chi

Many other countries have successfully provided healthcare for their people as well as kept tuition costs at very reasonable levels. I have full faith that the US can do the same. It will take a lot of work, negotiation and compromise, but our current system is not sustainable. Saying something will be challenging is not a reason to quit before even trying.

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

Chi, I must disagree. Most of these kids would not be "university" in Europe. They would be taking classes so they could be licensed as florists or waiters. "Free" in Europe simply means "free" to a selective few.

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Ann

Compromise when it comes to healthcare is an understatement! We repeatedly discuss how most seniors are very happy with their Medicare (despite the choice they make of Advantage or Medigap). Roll the whole country into Medicare and kiss the current Medicare goodbye. Suddenly, doc pay makes it a far less attractive profession, wait times will apply to everyone, advanced treatment plans and drugs will be nonexistent or rationed to a select few (who are a lot younger than seniors), if you need a knee replacement - get on a list and get addicted to opioids while you wait, etc.. Current Medicare working well for seniors - goodbye!

Heck, and where would Canadians then go when they need services they can't get in their own country and in a timely fashion?

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Chi

Yes, many people who have theirs are happy about it, and don't care about those who don't. They don't want to accept things like a slightly longer wait, or paying more in taxes, to help those who can't afford premium insurance, or who aren't old enough for Medicare.

It's disgusting that people are dying because they can't afford insulin, even with insurance.

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haydayhayday

"Yes, many people who have theirs are happy about it, and don't care about those who don't. "

Such total nonsense.

Many people care just as much as you do. That's not separates us.

Many people who do care and actually think, realize, in the long term, your grand delusions will end up causing even more suffering than you think you will alleviate.

Hay


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haydayhayday

"It's disgusting that people are dying because they can't afford insulin, even with insurance."

Your feel-good plans will, in the long run, only make it worse.

Hay

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Chi

Such total nonsense.

Many people care just as much as you do.

I agree that many do care, just like many don't care. There's a reason why I chose to use the word "many" and not an absolute like "all."

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Chi

Your feel-good plans will, in the long run, only make it worse.

In your opinion. I happen to disagree. Our current system is not good.

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haydayhayday

Today, in the stock market, the big movers are not the do-gooders.

It's the greedy, profiteering, money grubbing capitalist pigs competing with each other to bring us a fix for our current problem, the coronavirus.

God bless Capitalism

Has Bernie put out his plan yet?

Hay

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haydayhayday

"In your opinion. I happen to disagree. Our current system is not good."

History and reason are on my side.

Your feel-good attitude may feel good to you, but that's about all it's worth.

Meanwhile, you can feel a little better knowing that there are hard working capitalist pigs out there trying their best to find a cure for anything that ails you.


Hay

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Stan Areted

Meanwhile, you can feel a little better knowing that there are hard working capitalist pigs out there trying their best to find a cure for anything that ails you.


This is what Bernie and Socialists supporters should understand.


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Chi

Your feel-good attitude may feel good to you, but that's about all it's worth.

Yeah, well, luckily millions and millions of other people agree with me, and they will be voting.

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haydayhayday

"I agree that many do care, just like many don't care. There's a reason why I chose to use the word "many" and not an absolute like "all.""

Many people are incredibly stupid and appear to never have learned a thing from the history of:

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Many, not all!

Hay

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haydayhayday

"Yeah, well, luckily millions and millions of other people agree with me, and they will be voting."

I can't agree with the "luckily" part, but you're absolutely right otherwise.


"Many people are incredibly stupid and appear to never have learned a thing from the history of:

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Many, not all."


Hay

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Chi

No need to keep repeating it. We get that you think we're stupid.

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haydayhayday

Chi:

"No need to keep repeating it. We get that you think we're stupid."


Hay:

"Many, not all."

Hay

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haydayhayday


Chi:

"Yes, many people who have theirs are happy about it, and don't care about those who don't. "


No need to repeat it. We get that you think anyone opposed to your thinking has to be uncaring and greedy.

Hay

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Chi

No need to repeat it. We get that you think anyone opposed to your thinking has to be uncaring and greedy.

That's not what I said, and I never repeated it.

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