Sotomayor Called Out Supreme Ct Conservatives for Their Pro-Trump Bias

dublinbay z6 (KS)

Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor speaks up--and against her pro-Trump colleagues.

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"Last month, the Supreme Court voted to allow the Trump administration's immigrant wealth test to take effect in 49 states while the measure goes through the appeals process. . . . The new policy allows legal immigrants' use of public benefits such as food stamps to be counted as negative factors in their green card applications—and in her biting dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor accused her colleagues on the Court of favoring the Trump administration.

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The new policy—which was apparently the brainchild of anti-immigrant Trump advisor Stephen Miller—allows immigration officials to consider factors like health ailments, educational attainment, and use of non-cash public assistance in denying green cards. Experts say the measure will force immigrants to choose between their chances at earning a green card and using services like food stamps and housing benefits to feed and home themselves and their children.
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While the new green card policy is still being appealed, the Court's ruling could have major consequences for its legal future. By allowing the measure to go into effect before it has made its way through the appeals process, the Supreme Court is signaling support for the policy to the lower courts, which Sotomayor described in her dissent as "upend[ing] the normal appellate process, putting a thumb on the scale in favor of the party that won a stay."


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/sonia-sotomayor-called-supreme-court-184000518.html

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I had no idea there were so many ways to set up impediments even for legal immigrants.


Kate

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adoptedbyhounds

"I had no idea there were so many ways to set up impediments even for legal immigrants."

Sounds a lot like Canada.


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numbersjunkie

Kate, I think many Americans don't have any idea how broken our "legal" immigration system is - how long it takes, and how wealth and connections are often the criteria for success. Which is why illegal immigration is so common.

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lurker111

and in her biting dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor accused her colleagues on the Court of favoring

America and Americans

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Not at all, lurker. Just in your political bubble.

Kate

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lurker111

Mexico - 129.2 million (2017)
El Salvador - 6.378 million (2017)
Nicaragua - 6.218 million (2017)
Guatemala - 16.91 million (2017)
Venezuela - 31.98 million (2017)
UK - 66.04 (2017)
Canada - 37.59 million (2019)
Australia - 24.6 million (2017)

Total - 318,925 million
US - 327.2 million (2018)

We're overpopulated and don't need anymore poor people.

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

Come on, where is your human decency? Why shouldnt unemployed, non english speaking welfare recipients not get a green card? What this country needs is more unskilled and uneducated immigrants from S America to replace all the robots...


I just walked a new construction 400 bed student housing complex in Alabama two weeks from completion. Despite porta potties all over the place the well educated hard working immigrants insist on crapping in bathtubs. Seriously, I saw several dozens tubs in which poo was placed. Honduran laborers are the best. Give them all green cards!

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Poor immigrants become self-sufficient after being allowed into the land of opportunity.

Kate

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leona_2008

trump is so anti-American because he is so pro-trump. If this immigration policy is so righteous, too bad we can't make it retroactive to the founding of this country. Oh wait. That would erase the US out of existence.

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lurker111

They'll dig holes in your backyard and poo everywhere. They don't even care when the cops tell them to stop. I know from experience.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Yes, some of the trumpsters need to read some history. A goodly number of the early American immigrants were considered losers, scum, worthless, leeches, parasites, etc., back in their home countries.

In fact, their home countries had such a low opinion of them that the home countries FORCED them to immigrate to America and other places (Australia, etc.). Anything to get rid of them!

Those undesirable immigrants were the foundation upon which this country grew and prospered. They were the ancestors of many of today's trumpsters.

Kate

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lurker111

My ancestors migrated with wealth and built churches and schools. They even taught slaves when it was illegal, and hid them out in West Virginia. America was very small in those days.

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catkinZ8a

(regarding the OP) RICH!

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

They wont even unbox the toilets until they are a week out and the hard working hondurans have finished drywalling over outlets and plumbing fixtures...


Funny thing is the drywall contract was about a million and a half but all the go backs, recleans and recharges by the electricians and plumbers are now running to about $300k. The drywall contractor was threatening liens until 3 hours of video and a couple hundred photos were emailed to her. I doubt the savings were worth it to her at this point.

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lurker111

Again...

Justice Sonia Sotomayor accused her colleagues on the Court of favoring

America and Americans

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

And, yes Kate, many early American immigrants were "undesirables". But, we needed unskilled and ignorant labor at that time to fill a big empty country and build railroads and dams and whatnot. Today that unskilled and ignorant labor is needed more in their home countries. But, ya know, no one wants to live in those repressive Socialist countries...

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

As usual, we are supplied with proof that GOP and their oligarch overlords rely on ignorance and bigotry to elicit support for their stupid authoritarian policies.

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

Lol carol. I bet you know LOTS of South Americans dont you. Probably deal with them on the regular right? Probably fluent in Spanish and well travelled. Gonna take your next vacation in Honduras or Guatemala? Give me a break.


Unless we go back to "shaping" South America they will stay broken and ignorant because that is how their "authoritarian governments" like them.



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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Poor immigrants become self-sufficient after being allowed into the land of opportunity.

Kate

They all used to, when it was important to become an AMERICAN, not a hyphenated denizen who refuses to learn English and chooses generational welfare instead of the American dream.

Which is to say, bootstrapping.

Now, who cares about even being legal? Bernie and his ilk will confer ALL rights and entitlements to all. Whoopie!! Pretty soon we'll be pressing #2 for English.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Justice Sonia Sotomayor accused her colleagues on the Court of favoring

the xenophobes in the White House.

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mrskjun(9)

Until it is no longer true, which is rapidly becoming the norm, the US is a country of laws. If you don't like a law, change it. Otherwise adhere to the rule of law. We don't get to ignore laws just because we don't like them.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Yes, some of the trumpsters need to read some history. A goodly number of the early American immigrants were considered losers, scum, worthless, leeches, parasites, etc., back in their home countries.

In fact, their home countries had such a low opinion of them that the home countries FORCED them to immigrate to America and other places (Australia, etc.). Anything to get rid of them!

Those undesirable immigrants were the foundation upon which this country grew and prospered. They were the ancestors of many of today's trumpsters.

Kate


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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

We don't get to ignore laws just because we don't like them . . .

unless your name is Donald Trump.


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adoptedbyhounds

"As usual, we are supplied with proof that GOP and their oligarch overlords rely on ignorance and bigotry to elicit support for their stupid authoritarian policies."

President Trump is putting the interests of the American people FIRST, which is no different than Canada.

When did Canadian leaders become indebted to "oligarch overlords" and start relying on their ignorant bigoted citizenry to support their authoritarian policies?


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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

putting the interests of the American people FIRST

Putting the interests of xenophobes first -- Stephen Miller does not represent the American people.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

This thread is about LEGAL immigration--and the Trump administration's attempts to restrict LEGAL immigration.

The NEW GREEN CARD RULES will deny new immigrants entrance to our country if they applied for a green card for food stamps and housing benefits to feed and home themselves and their children.

In other words, let your family suffer and be homeless, and Trump's administration may let you in and allow you to stay.

Justice Sotomayer is strongly objecting to the recently appointed conservative justices supporting the Trump administration's policy before the courts even have a chance to hear and rule on the legal objections to such a policy.

Anyone care to comment on this situation?

Kate

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

"The NEW GREEN CARD RULES will deny new immigrants entrance to our country if they applied for a green card for food stamps and housing benefits to feed and home themselves and their children."


This ^^^ is laughable.

How are you applying for housing, EBT and other assistance if you are not already here? Green cards and all other legal pathways to legal residency are applied for in a person's home country. You, and Sotomayor, are clearly talking about illegals who are already here and sucking up money.

Or are you referring to "refugees"?

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Jenn TheCaLLisComingFromInsideTheHouse(5)

Legal immigrants - those individuals who hold lawful permanent resident status over the age of 21 (LPRs have green cards) can sponsor immediate relatives who are petitioning for an immigrant visa. 'Immediate relatives' are restricted to a spouse or an unmarried child, in most cases, who are being sponsored by a LPR. A US citizen may sponsor a spouse, a child, a parent, or siblings.

The applicable information can be found:

public charge rule


family immigration visa


visa policy updates - public charge

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batyabeth

"Stephen Miller does not represent the American people."

yes, yes, and yes again.

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tryingtounderstand

@Jihnnygun...the new rules apply to Legal Immigrants already in the USA, who want to apply and obtain their Green Card. Following this step, they would apply for citizenship. So they are here already, probably working as well. Or maybe they are students and graduating. So, Maybe these Legal Immigrants fell on hard times and perhaps required benefits, including medical attention to help them through difficult times. should they be denied green cards? I know many students or new grads in this situation. And yes, they have used Medicaid, food stamps etc. These are grads ( physicians, engineers etc) who will contribute bigly to the USA‘s economy and future Growth.

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

I got cha tryingtounderstand, thanks. I just dont find it likely that physicians and engineers here on student visas are at the core of this issue. Additionally, very few non citizen students qualify for financial aid so if you are a grad student here on a visa you are most likely paying full price for your tuition, so...


https://studentaid.gov/understand-aid/eligibility/requirements/non-us-citizens#can-i-get-aid

I am a non-U.S. citizen. Can I get federal student aid?

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Check with your college or career school’s financial aid office for more information. You are considered an “eligible noncitizen” if you fall into certain categories, such as the ones listed below:

  1. You are a
  • U.S. national (includes natives of American Samoa or Swains Island) or
  • U.S. permanent resident with a Form I-551, I-151, or I-551C (Permanent Resident Card, Resident Alien Card, or Alien Registration Receipt Card), also known as a "green card."
  1. You have an Arrival-Departure Record (I-94) from U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services (USCIS) showing*
  • “Refugee,”
  • “Asylum Granted,”
  • “Cuban-Haitian Entrant,”
  • “Conditional Entrant” (valid only if issued before April 1, 1980), or
  • “Parolee” (you must be paroled for at least one year, and you must be able to provide evidence from the USCIS that you are in the United States for other than a temporary purpose with the intention of becoming a U.S. citizen or permanent resident).
  1. You hold a T nonimmigrant status ("T-visa") (for victims of human trafficking) or your parent holds a T-1 nonimmigrant status. Your college or career school’s financial aid office will ask to see your visa and/or certification letter from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.*

  2. You are a “battered immigrant-qualified alien” who is a victim of abuse by your citizen or permanent resident spouse, or you are the child of a person designated as such under the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA).*

  3. You are a citizen of the Federated States of Micronesia, the Republic of the Marshall Islands, or the Republic of Palau. If this is the case, you may be eligible for only certain types of federal student aid:

*To qualify for federal student aid, certain eligible noncitizens must be able to provide evidence from the USCIS that they are in the United States for other than a temporary purpose with the intention of becoming a U.S. citizen or permanent resident.

Certain Native American students born in Canada with a status under the Jay Treaty of 1789 may also be eligible for federal student aid.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Thank you for trying to clarify the green card issue. I made a mistake when I used the word "entrance." I was trying to compress my statement, and that came out wrong.

However, I'm still not getting across that the Green Card is NOT the issue being brought up in the OP--nor what Justice Sotomayer is arguing against. She is arguing that the Supreme Court is favoring the Trump administration by letting the measure go into effect before the courts have ruled on it. The OP is about how the Supreme Court is undermining the judicial system.

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By allowing the measure to go into effect before it has made its way through the appeals process, the Supreme Court is signaling support for the policy to the lower courts, which Sotomayor described in her dissent as "upend[ing] the normal appellate process, putting a thumb on the scale in favor of the party that won a stay."

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Kate

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batyabeth

Kate - thanks for being so on point and addressing the OP instead of getting sucked into immigrant poop stories. You are right of course, Sotomaoyor's point is clear and the digressing or deflecting is so transparent - cause the actual point of the dissent is so logical there's really no argument. So poop stories are where they go. SMH

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mrskjun(9)

Does he have a phone and a pen Nancy?

When immigrants first came here they did not get welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing, or free medical care. But just hang on. Bernie will turn us into a socialist state and we'll be trying to immigrate to Canada.

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cyn427 NoVaZone7

I thought part of this new policy required those who want to come to sign paperwork stating that they will never (never as in not ever) apply for any governmental support and that they will not be able to get or keep a green card if they do so.

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steve2416

I don't really keep current but I do know my SIL came into this country from Venezuela approx. 21 years ago. He had 90 dollars in his pocket and a running scholarship from NYU. He often slept in his car when the college was closed for vacations and worked part time jobs. Now, he has a degree and is a stock broker and my grandson is entering college this next year and I'm proud of him and his family. This may be a poop story, but I think Trump and the Supreme Court trying to limit immigration is the ultimate poop story.

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

Good for him steve. Clearly he wasnt pooping in tubs in Alamaba 3 months ago.

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HU-885118952

Who's limiting legal immigration? Not Trump?

Who was the Deporter in Chief who deported millions? Obama.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Re-read the OP, HU--52.

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