Trump drives massive turnout in primaries despite token opposition

dublinbay z6 (KS)

Not the sort of news I like to post, but probably something we shouldn't ignore or overlook.

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"President Donald Trump doesn’t have much of a primary fight on his hands — but Republican voters are nevertheless turning out in droves for him, a warning sign for Democrats in November.

The massive turnout is a reflection of organic enthusiasm among conservatives and a sophisticated effort by Trump's campaign to rev up its get-out-the-vote machine ahead of the general election. Trump and Vice President Mike Pence traveled to Iowa and New Hampshire ahead of voting, and the campaign flooded the two states with high-profile surrogates and launched a Facebook advertising blitz reminding supporters to cast ballots.

The efforts are paying off, with Republicans turning out in historic numbers. . . .

While it’s unclear what the figures might portend for the general election — the president's job approval numbers remain stuck in the mid-40s in most surveys — the results highlight the degree to which Trump’s base is energized. A little more than a year after the president’s party suffered sweeping losses in the midterm elections, Republicans are bent on ensuring that Trump wins a second term.

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. . . Trump's campaign treated Iowa and New Hampshire as a dry run for its general election turnout operation across battleground states.

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“This is the problem that every party finds itself in when it's running against an incumbent president,” said Scott Jennings, who served as a top political aide in the George. W. Bush White House. “Trump is going to be difficult to beat, just like Obama was difficult to beat and just like Bush was difficult to beat.”

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Josh Schwerin, the senior strategist at the liberal Priorities USA super PAC, rejected the idea that Trump’s turnout is a red flag for Democrats. Trump had bolstered his totals with personal visits and advertising, he noted, and the voter influx isn't entirely organic.

“Turnout is going to be high on both sides,” Schwerin said, “and both sides will need to fight for an edge in November.”


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-drives-massive-turnout-primaries-120014482.html

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What do you think? I find it alarming that anyone would be turning out for such a disgusting man. Repubs. are genuinely enthusiastic about supporting him and turning out in larger numbers than Obama or Bush the Younger had--even though at the moment, Trump is running against no-one?


Kate

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queenmargo

The deplorables are flexing;)

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Zalco/bring back Sophie!

How anti Trumpers feel has nothing to do with the election. I thought we were taught this lesson in 2016, but apparently we may need to repeat it.

I am not keen on four more years of this administration, but alas, some people prefer being smug to winning.

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rob333 (zone 7a)

How do I feel about it? I want to know what could drive other voters to the polls. I see what drives his supporters, but those motivators won't be the same for other candidates. We need to get everyone out to vote, let's have the turnout match the mouths. It boggles my mind how many people are against what he does, but his sheeple are more motivated. It's not that they are better informed or think about it deeply, it's all emotion.

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queenmargo

The left need a message to drive them to the polls. Not vote anything blue lol lol

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rob333 (zone 7a)

Not everyone is the same. So many want more than a message, slogan, or quick fix. Some of us want it done right.

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queenmargo

Good luck lol.

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Embothrium(Sunset Climate Zone 5, USDA Hardiness Zone 8)

Populist dictatorships are characterized by mass support for the despot, hence "populist".

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Ann

Well, the left has been busy trying to convince themselves Trump has lost so many supporters and no one would vote for him. That narrative seems to soothe them but, if you pay attention, I think you'll see it's far from reality. My guess is he's gained support (despite or maybe because of all the attempted shaming of supporting the candidate of our choice).

Kate, I think you're at least willing to see some level of reality about Trump support. Others seem to think saying it's not real will somehow turn that into a reality. Okay:)

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queenmargo

Half the ignorant trumpsters do not even know how the political process works who knows they may think this is the general election.

LOL- and somewhere out there there is another vote for Trump.... reminds me of the movie "It"s a Wonderful Life". ;))

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HU-885118952

Populist dictatorships are characterized by mass support for the despot, hence "populist".

Reminds me of Obama's messianic movement.

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justerrilynn(10)

I think the left has completely lost touch. I met two women from Chicago while dining the other night. They were well traveled ladies in their late 60’s or early seventies. I never talk politics while out so don’t know how it got started but both are voting for Trump. They are sick of the constant chaos from the dem’s. They mentioned the Kavanaugh hearing and the Impeachment with disgust. These were not the faces the left see’s when they think of Trump supporters. I’m meeting more and more people like this that are publicly voicing their preference of Trump. I’m sure the Prez gained support from that chaos.

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Embothrium(Sunset Climate Zone 5, USDA Hardiness Zone 8)

If a body is not significantly wealthy, Trump is not working to promote and protect their interests.

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Chi

"Well, the left has been busy trying to convince themselves Trump has lost so many supporters and no one would vote for him."

That's not true. His approval rating has been very consistent over the past few years. I am hopeful because he still can't seem to beat 50% even after the impeachment. Clinton's approval soared into the 70's after his.

It's all going to come down to people actually showing up and voting. Republicans have always been better at it, and Trump supporters have been nothing but rabidly enthusiastic. Doesn't surprise me a bit that this is how they are showing their support.

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Iris GW

I heard people say that a lot of them were bused in ...

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

"Well, the left has been busy trying to convince themselves Trump has lost so many supporters and no one would vote for him."

Who has been saying this? When? Where?

That is all news to me.

Are you sure that isn't a "strawman" argument created by Hannity or one of his ilk so that Trumpsters would have a convenient target for their free-floating outrage?

Kate

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Ann

Kate, I meant on HT. It's a regular theme that Trump has lost support, in the opinion of several posters.

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katrina_ellen

I don't want socialized rationed healthcare. I don't want to pay more taxes for that or to fund other peoples college degrees or any of the other Dems free, free, free giveaways out of my pocket. I already pay enough. Pick your own pockets and create helping programs, I have my church charities to fund.

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Ziemia(6a)

Our healthcare is currently 'socialized' & 'rationed'. And that's why some are deciding between taking heart meds and diabetes meds. And why millions don't do wellness visits (those routine 'physicals').

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adoptedbyhounds

"And that's why some are deciding between taking heart meds and diabetes meds"

Yep. Democrat politicians support free medical care for illegal aliens, even when their own constituents have to make the kinds of choices that put their own lives and quality of life in danger.

I much prefer President Trump's approach, where we get the needs of our own population under control before we take on the needs of people with no right to be here.

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Ziemia(6a)

Nope, the problem isn't the undocumented residents. If it were, the GOP congressional dynasty would've done something by now.

You all know why all those years of GOP-held congress got nothing done about it? Because they couldn't agree even on what the problem was.

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rob333 (zone 7a)

so you hate medicare katrina? You do understand it's FULLY socialistic, right?

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

Trump supporters turning out in droves means nothing unless you know what the percentage of Trump supporters is among republicans. Admittedly anecdotal, but In the past week, I spoke with two people who I know are republican and both of them would never vote for Trump (again).

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adoptedbyhounds

"Nope, the problem isn't the undocumented residents"

Thats what Dems always say, because of course they can't explain how they can "afford" to take care of millions of illegal aliens, when American citizens go with unmet needs. Democrats support wealth redistribution to illegal aliens, even as they lament, as Zemia did, that not everybody gets their needs met in the US.

America First is popular with Americans, because it is we the president is obligated to serve. He has no misunderstanding about that, unlike his competitors.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

America First is popular with Americans

So Californians are not considered Americans?

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gyr_falcon(Sunset 23)

1st: "Well, the left has been busy trying to convince themselves Trump has lost so many supporters and no one would vote for him."

2nd: It's a regular theme that Trump has lost support, in the opinion of several posters.

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Ann, so just several posters on HT causes you to claim 'the left' as a whole believes something.

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kadefol

Two varieties of socialism: Big S
Socialism, and little s socialism. Big S Socialism is what many of us
learned about in school. It refers to an economic system where the means
of production — the factories and farms — are owned by the government.
When early socialist philosophers wrote and talked about this sort of
economic system, the idea was the state knew what was best for people
and could produce the “right” goods and services.

We do have a few
examples of this sort of socialism in America today: Many communities
have state or city owned utility companies. And while there are
inevitably complaints that these “socialist” utility companies are
inefficient or charge exorbitant prices, the alternative of lots of
competitive, capitalist electric companies just doesn’t make sense. But
such examples of Big S Socialism are few and far between in the United
States. We are an overwhelmingly capitalist country.

The other type of socialism — little s socialism — doesn’t refer
to state owned factories. It refers to how people receive the benefits
of the economic system. Even under capitalism, some goods and services
are distributed based on need instead of ability to pay.

For example,
early in the 20th century, the United States made the decision that
everyone deserved a high school education whether they could pay for it
or not.

Police services are distributed the same way: If you hear a
burglar downstairs, you call 911 and expect to have a police officer at
your house in just a few minutes. And you don’t need to give the
operator your credit card information for payment; you get the benefit
of police services whether you have a job and pay local taxes or not.
That’s little s socialism, pure and simple.

It’s this little s socialism that has become a hot topic in the
election. Neither Bernie Sanders nor Elizabeth Warren are advocating big
S Socialism and economic nationalism. But they do feel that our nation
could use a bit more little s socialism. Free education through community
college — advocated by both Sanders and Warren — is an extension to the
policy our nation adopted a century ago.

And Medicare for All doesn’t
mean making all doctors government employees; it means only that medical
care is so important that it is better allocated based on need instead
of income.

https://www.juneauempire.com/opinion/opinion-youre-probably-a-socialist-and-dont-even-know-it/

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katrina_ellen

so you hate medicare katrina? You do understand it's FULLY socialistic, right?

The ONLY reason it works is because it is on a smaller scale and the remaining population is paying to fund it. Put it in a large scale operation and you Dems will break us. The Dems have proven to me that their free, free, this and that is financially irresponsible. IRRESPONSIBLE!

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Iris GW

Thanks, kadefol, that is a great explanation.

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kadefol

The ONLY reason it works is because it is on a smaller scale and the
remaining population is paying to fund it. Put it in a large scale
operation and you Dems will break us. The Dems have proven to me that
their free, free, this and that is financially irresponsible.
IRRESPONSIBLE!

So you'd rather this country spend billions on unneeded military expenditures and an equally unnecessary wall, than spend money on actual living Americans who need help with health care and education. Now THAT is irresponsible!

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Ziemia(6a)

Why didn't the GOP congressional majority take care of the so-called undocumented residents problem? During those many (4?) years? Two with a GOP pres?

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Ann

"unneeded military" - my goodness! Sure, why not. If a missile heads our way, maybe Canada's missile defense program will protect the U.S. (sarcasm intended since they don't have one).

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Ziemia(6a)

Close to making 'unneeded' equal 'zero'.

Since Trump has solved the ISIS problem & and is close to fixing the Afghanistan problem, why is he growing the military budget (yet not providing proper housing)?

PS: that new wall on the border is being sawed apart and being scaled. Plus we leave the many flood gates open all winter. (Or is it spring?)

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Chi

$750 billion in defense spending is ridiculous.

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Ann

"Since Trump has solved the ISIS problem"

Isn't it great that ISIS didn't need to be the new norm after all?

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Iris GW

I think that was sarcasm.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

If a missile heads our way, maybe Canada's missile defense program will protect the U.S.

Are you under the impression that the US has no missile defense system?

*

Missile Defense Systems at a Glance

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/missiledefenseataglance

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adoptedbyhounds

"Since Trump has solved the ISIS problem & and is close to fixing the Afghanistan problem, why is he growing the military budget (yet not providing proper housing)?"

We have lots of housing. Unfortunately, it's occupied by millions of people with no right to be here in the first place. Once again, the Dems complain about unmet needs, while they advocate for protecting the people using the resources Americans need.

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cecily 7A

ABH you misunderstood Ziemia's comment. Inadequate military housing is the issue she cited. Moldy, dilapidated housing has been documented on numerous bases, most recently Ft Belvoir.

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Ann

No sarcasm in that Iris. I hated it when I actually kind of believed Obama about ISIS and it being the new norm. What an unsettling feeling that gave me. But, all we needed was a new president who didn't think it needed to be the new norm and he made the decision and took the necessary actions to solve that problem.

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Iris GW

Sorry that you believe that Trump has solved it. You'll learn.

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Tilly Teabag

ISIS isn’t dead.

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Ziemia(6a)

Yes, my comment was about the view held by Trump and all his.

Why does he/them say we need MORE military spending when we do not need to fight ISIS or in Afghanistan any longer? Wouldn't less fighting mean lower expenditures?

And yes. of course I was referring to base housing.

Wow. Some sure missed the point on increased military spending.

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woodnymph2_gw

If you really think that Trump has "solved" the Isis problem, I've got a great bridge to sell ya....

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bob_cville

> No sarcasm in that Iris. I hated it when I actually kind of believed
Obama about ISIS and it being the new norm. What an unsettling feeling
that gave me. But, all we needed was a new president who didn't think
it needed to be the new norm and he made the decision and took the
necessary actions to solve that problem.

This is so laughable. Obama told the truth and you were scared and nervous and unsettled. Now Trump is LYING to you, telling you ISIS is defeated, and you are comforted by the snugly warmth of a lie that you want to believe, told by an extremely practiced liar.


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Embothrium(Sunset Climate Zone 5, USDA Hardiness Zone 8)

Art of the Deal Trump always tells his target audience what it wants to hear.

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AnnKH

The ONLY reason it works is because it is on a smaller scale and the
remaining population is paying to fund it. Put it in a large scale
operation and you Dems will break us. The Dems have proven to me that
their free, free, this and that is financially irresponsible.
IRRESPONSIBLE!


Did you forget that employers and individuals currently pay a LOT of money for health insurance premiums? Those are the dollars that will pay for socialized (small s) medicine. It might even be a lot more efficient, once we scale down the middleman (large insurance companies).

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