Will Bloomberg live up to his billing?

Ann

I look forward to seeing how Bloomberg is received once he ventures beyond his ads. Do you think he'll do well and become or remain a major contender or do you think Dems will reject his buying his way into the election and waltzing in late? How do you think he'll be doing several weeks into March, after super Tuesday? I kind of think he'll struggle as Bernie, Biden, Klobuchar, and Buttigieg (rightfully IMO) come after his methods. I think they'll come after him forcefully and I think that will be fair. I also think he'll struggle with the media, supporter, and opposition questions, etc. I think he might feel like a hectic, challenging, tiring and divisive campaign is beneath him.

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Ann

I saw this clip on TV the other day and watched carefully since I've seen very little of anything from Bloomberg so far. I thought it a rather weird, supposedly "relatable" story. The comments in this article, below the video are really funny and don't surprise me at all:) They represent the kinds of thoughts I was having while listening. What an interesting person to represent the Democratic party!


https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/02/mike-bloombergs-relatable-story-the-housekeeper-would-throw-scrabble-games-so-mother-could-win.html

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Nana H

What's his " billing" ?

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Ann

I think his "billing" is that he is the current/anointed/accepted leader of the moderate/non-Democratic Socialist lane of the Democratic party. The person with the best chance to beat Bernie and then beat Trump - according to the party elites.

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Nana H

OK. Ann......interested in where you get that idea. Who is pushing that " billing" ? Who has " anointed" him ? Nothing I have picked up on supports that. Which party elites are you referring to ?

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foodonastump

My gut is that Pete and Amy have peaked. And Biden peaked twelve years ago if not earlier. What’s Pete gonna say about a successful three term mayor of a very large city who even as a Republican had high support among blacks? Amy’s on the record for wanting him on the debate stage, as well she should. Any of those will want his money if he fails. Bernie, who knows what will happen with him, especially if it becomes a two man race.

Short term, I see only a really poor debate hurting him. Simple lack of charisma won’t do him in quite yet.

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foodonastump

Just looking at betting odds realized I forgot about Warren. Sorry, honest mistake.

Also just realizing that I didn’t exactly answer the question directly. I’d be surprised to see any of the “moderates” take him out. And I don’t say that because of who the party elites may or may not be pushing (like Nana I’m wondering who that is, haven’t seen or hear of it myself) but because of who is in that lane. I’ve been luke-warm at best about “all the outstanding choices” from the start, so here we are.

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Nana H

I agree Mayor Pete has peaked....well maybe California will be great for him. However, I don' t think the same of Amy. We will see after Super Tuesday. ..that is going to separate the wheat from the chaff.

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Ann

"My gut is that Pete and Amy have peaked. And Biden peaked twelve years ago if not earlier. What’s Pete gonna say about a successful three term mayor of a very large city who even as a Republican had high support among blacks? Amy’s on the record for wanting him on the debate stage, as well she should. Any of those will want his money if he fails. Bernie, who knows what will happen with him, especially if it becomes a two man race.

Short term, I see only a really poor debate hurting him. Simple lack of charisma won’t do him in quite yet."

I think Pete has peaked and is on his way down the other side of that peak. To me, he's looking more and more robotic. Amy, I think, probably has also peaked since her rise was a bit too late and she just doesn't have the money or quite enough support to carry her forward. I think she'll now quickly get squashed/overwhelmed by the campaigns of Bernie and Bloomberg. If she would have generated more money and enthusiasm a little sooner, I think she might have had some room to run. Biden, ditto to what you said FOAS and I've already counted Warren out.

Sounds reasonable about a poor debate potentially hurting Bloomberg short term and maybe not much else, but I do think he'll be the major target of those opponents still very much hoping for their chance at this race.

Not much, if anything, I can argue with in your comment FOAS. Bloomberg is adding some "news" to the race as he is a "first" in a number of ways. We'll see how it goes.

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Ann

Pete - California? Boy, I don't think CA will be a good state for Pete.

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justerrilynn(10)

Omg Ann, those comments were so funny! I started reading them out loud to my husband but started laughing so hard I couldn’t see through the tears.

Edited: I think if by some rare chance Bloomberg ended up being the nominee, the people on the fence would go with Trump. They know what they’re getting. Even if they don’t like his person they will be fine with how he runs the country.


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Ann

Justlynn, I was trying to think which comments you were referring to. Do you mean the comments in the linked article following the housekeeper/Scrabble video? They are fantastic, aren't they?

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justerrilynn(10)

Ann, yes, the comments in the linked article. I was crying lol.

A small sample-


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maddie260

I think Bloomberg and the right VP pick could clean up. Bloomberg would pick up the moderate Rs who are sick of dt, the law and order people, and the fiscally conservative people. Bloomberg has the money to go all the way- no money problems. If he chooses the correct VP, the ticket could be gold.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

From Calbuzz:

The Bloomie factor. California by far is the biggest prize among the 16 elections to be held on March 3′s Super Tuesday, with one-fifth of the 1990+ convention delegates needed to win the nomination at stake.

Sanders, by most accounts, has built the strongest field organization in the state while Buttigieg has raised the most money; Steyer is the only Californian left while Biden has the backing of much of the political establishment, led by Sen. Dianne Feinstein. [Including LA's Mayor Eric Garcetti.]

But the biggest surprise could be Bloomberg, who refused to play the Iowa-New Hampshire game, in favor of putting his vast fortune behind strategic placement of TV advertising in California ($14 million to date) and other Super Tuesday states.

Now Bloomberg’s operation has pivoted into an organizational phase, opening 20 state offices with 300 staffers, according to Politico’s Carla Marinucci, while assembling meetings in many cities between campaign strategists and local political influencers. [Endorsed by San Francisco Mayor London Breed.]


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llucy

I find Bloomberg's ads effective. Considering his rapid rise in the polls, apparently many others do as well.

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paprikash

Found this little nugget on the internet:

“Indeed, Bloomberg’s casual boasts about his sex life in his own autobiography are now some of the least problematic parts of the his candidacy for president. In recent days, the former New York City mayor’s track record on race is undergoing renewed scrutiny: Bloomberg oversaw and expanded the racist and unconstitutional “stop and frisk” program, and a newly unearthed video shows him blaming the end of a racially discriminatory housing practice known as “redlining” for the 2008 economic recession. But it takes a telling amount of gall and cluelessness to gift a book with anecdotes about your own womanizing to employees at your gun safety non-profit in the year 2015, especially for a politician with presidential ambitions who has been vigorously denying allegations of misogyny throughout his entire career—including nearly 40 sex discrimination and sexual harassment lawsuits brought against him and his organizations by 64 women over the past several decades.”


Seems to me once Bloomberg’s business and personal laundry is exposed, all of the Trump BS from his past will be eclipsed. These wealthy and powerful men have a past. I guess we’ll all have to get over it.

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Tito Milian

Embrace the diminutive billionaire attempting to buy the White House!

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Tito Milian

My scullery maid used to throw our Monopoly games

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Nana H

"I think his "billing" is that he is the current/anointed/accepted leader
of the moderate/non-Democratic Socialist lane of the Democratic party.
The person with the best chance to beat Bernie and then beat Trump -
according to the party elites."

Ann do you have a source for this? I'm particularly interested in who the party elites are you are referring to. Thanks.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Will Bloomberg live up to his billing?

Unlike trump he pays his bills, and with his own money.

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Ann

Llucy, you might be right about the effectiveness of Bloomberg's ads. I'm thinking his rise might have more to do with the decline of Biden and nervousness about Bernie - a what are we going to do now kind of feeling - but maybe it's more about his ads.

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queenmargo

Bloomberg will disappoint when he comes out from under his ads. IMO ;)

The hype will not live up to the reality.

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Ann

Paprikash, I agree people like Bloomberg and Trump have enough of a public past that one thing after another gets exposed. I expect Bloomberg stuff will just keep getting exposed as his opponents dig it all up. Certainly a Dem competitor might think it more than fair to dredge up all that stuff. I imagine they are very frustrated that he is waltzing his way in so late and anwering every question with a new expensive ad. I'd bet they think it's just as fair to dredge up his entire past. It kind of makes Trump's somewhat normal campaign entrance and low(ish) campaign budget (in 2016) look more impressive now than it did then. Even with no political experience and a low budget, he passed all those GOP competitors and beat the highly backed and funded Hillary.

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Ann

Margo, I certainly think what you said in your most recent comment has a pretty high likelihood.

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Nana H

Bloomberg is stealing from Biden. I saw some results this AM on CNN that indicated Biden is down 20 points with Black voters while Bloomberg's support amongst that demographic has tripled.

I doubt very many Bernie supporters would go to Bloomberg, they are polar opposites.

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Nana H

Ann, I am well aware that the business community is behind him but you specifically mentioned party elites which interests me.

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Ann

HU25, we'll see. Somehow, I don't see a Bernie type supporter being anywhere near the type of person who will become a Bloomberg type supporter. Bloomberg is one heck of a new type of "representative" for the Democratic party.

But, before any of that happens, the guy has to show his face at some point. So far, the only time I've seen him talking is the video I posted on this thread with the housekeeper Scrabble story, which brought a reaction to me like Margo's goat meme.

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bfox254

You're right, any person in public life as long as Trump, Biden, Sanders and Bloomberg will have said and done some things that they regret. For a long-term politician there will be votes they would like to take back. In these situations, I judge a person's character by their ability to admit their mistakes and learn and grow. Attitudes have changed and I expect an older candidate to demonstrate an ability to understand and change with the times.

Trump will never admit a mistake or express regret and has shown no capacity for change, a big fail in my judgement. Biden will admit his mistakes but seems stuck in an older time. Sanders, who knows? All he ever does is scream about rich people. We'll see about Bloomberg.

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Nana H

I did some checking and while I can find several RW blogs and opinion pieces suggesting that Bloomberg is buying the Democratic "elites" to stop Bernie, I can't find anything anywhere to suggest that any Democrat " elites" have pushed that theory.

I think it's nothing more than a RW talking point at this time but if he starts to do well in the primaries that could change.

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Ann

HU25, I think Trump will win against any of them. Or, I should say I think the odds are most definitely in his favor. IMO, Bernie has the best chance of being the nominee and Bernie will be the toughest to beat. I'd hope his policy agenda would leave us with a Trump win, but the Bernie enthusiasm is as challenging to an opponent as the Trump enthusiasm is. That level of enthusiasm can easily lead to a difficult to predict result.

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llucy

" I'm thinking his rise might have more to do with the decline of Biden and nervousness about Bernie - a what are we going to do now kind of feeling - but maybe it's more about his ads."

Ann, I've seen more Bloomberg ads in the last 2 months than I've seen interviews/ sound bites of all the other candidates combined in the last year. The sheer quantity of his ads is giving him greater name recognition. The ads themselves are well targeted: the nurse on healthcare: the mom who lost a child to gun violence; clip of Trump calling climate change a hoax; clips of Obama strongly praising Bloomberg. Persuasive for those who haven' *locked down* on a particular candidate.


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Ann

Here is a piece I read this morning that gives a good picture of what Bernie is up against. No doubt, the Bernie Bloomberg contest could get feisty, especially from the side of the Bernie supporters. I think the Bernie supporters would have every right to be fired up about Bloomberg and his unique methods. We don't even know yet if Bloomberg will be in this week's debate or the one just before SC.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bloomberg-storms-center-2020-presidential-fray-n1135111

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cattyles

The strategy isn’t discussion at all. It used to be but discussion no longer has anything to do with it.

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Nana H

The more Trump supporters and FOX comes to the defense of Bernie at the expense of Bloomberg the more convinced I become they are terrified of a Bloomberg candidacy .

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justerrilynn(10)

I just can’t see Bloomberg making it to the end. Even if the dem’s could overlook his racism and sexism he has ZERO middle class appeal. So far it’s just the surface stuff that has come out. Wait till we get further in. Hillary didn’t win with huge amounts of money put in either.


Bloomberg has long opposed financial regulations and raised money for Tom DeLay, the Republican former House majority leader who was convicted on money laundering charges in 2010.


Bloomberg supported the police department's "stop-and-frisk" policy that disproportionately targeted minority men.


Bloomberg has the highest unfavorability rating, 25%, of any Democratic candidate among among primary voters, according to a Morning Consult/Politico poll.


Bloomberg,is easily characterized as the sort of out-of-technocrat plutocratic centrism man who is out of touch. (Look no further than the uproar over Bloomberg’s ill-fated push to ban soda in New York City.)


He refused to show his taxes during his twelve years as Mayor on New York City. How will dem’s feel about that?


The former mayor and the company he founded have been sued by 17 women for sexual harassment and sexist remarks. Three of those cases specifically named Bloomberg.


On Thursday, a video surfaced of a 2008 interview where Bloomberg blamed the financial crisis on the end of redlining (the racist policy of denying African American neighborhoods the financial underwriting given to white neighborhoods). Bloomberg’s statement was racist victim-blaming, an attempt to cast the guilt for the financial crisis on African Americans rather than the large banks.

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Ann

"The point is to NOT sound like a biased Trumpster. They don't want readers to dismiss such tactics as just Trumpster-talk, after all.

Do the master's bidding without sounding like his loyal sharpshooter servant."

"The more Trump supporters and FOX comes to the defense of Bernie at the expense of Bloomberg the more convinced I become they are terrified of a Bloomberg candidacy ."


I think some might be trying to attach their own personality styles (or ways of thinking and interacting) to others with completely different styles. I think some people struggle to see likelihoods even when they are staring them in the face and they feel compelled to place their desired narrative/outcome in the place of a likelihood. These same people tend to be the ones who do a whole lot of justifying and really struggle with a simple, "I was wrong" or "I really blew that prediction" or (after the fact) "Actually, I meant this even though it sounded like that". Others view likely outcomes through a more realistic lens.

I'll give an example. I certainly never thought McCain had a chance of beating Obama. I had a sinking feeling long before election day. I sure didn't want that to be the case, but it felt like it was staring me in the face. Another example; I think there is a high likelihood Gardner will lose his Senate seat this year. I don't want that to be the case, but it's probable. My saying Gardner's going to win (and saying it with enthusiasm) won't change the likelihood of what will realistically happen. Same with Jones' seat in Alabama, but I definitely want that to be the case. Regarding the presidential election, I think Dems are dreaming if they don't think Trump has a likelihood of winning the election against any one of the current candidates. But, I think I'm a realist, so there you go:) "terrified" of a Bloomberg nomination, I am not. Could a Dem win, sure. Is it likely? I don't think so. And, in all honesty, I think Bernie's enthusiastic following is the most dangerous thing Trump faces - precisely as it was the most dangerous (and unexpected) thing Hillary faced. That more passionate than ever Trump support is again the most dangerous thing the Dems will face in 2020, IMO.

So, if my HT conversation leads some of you to see imagined tactics, strategies, ploys, games, etc., I think you might be missing my straightforward nature. I respect your vote (I'll never shame that) and enjoy the process the Dems are involved in this year. It's super enjoyable and interesting to witness! It's an undecided rollercoaster, for sure!

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mudhouse

Just getting caught up here, and making one observation...those of us who live in states where Bloomberg isn't running any ads (like mine) will probably have a different viewpoint about how effective they are. I haven't seen one on television, only online when I hunt them down.

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Ziemia(6a)

Add confusion about what it takes for a statement to be an assumption ....

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

opinion pieces suggesting that Bloomberg is buying the Democratic "elites" to stop Bernie, I can't find anything anywhere to suggest that any Democrat " elites" have pushed that theory.

I saw a video clip of Michael Moore making the claim that Bloomberg's donation to the DNC bought him a place in the Democratic debates.

Michael Moore (the filmmaker, not the LAPD Chief) is not among the Democratic elite, and cut his political teeth criticizing the Democratic Party.

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queenmargo

It will be interesting to see how much 2 BILLION dollars will buy.

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justerrilynn(10)

It will be interesting to see how many of the self described “ higher morals, I’m better than you” people will vote for Bloomy. I can’t wait to count the hypocrites.

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Nana H

Perhaps it may serve you well to look at Bloombergs philanthropic hisory as well as his record on education and gun safety.

He has made mistakes for sure but he has apologized. Much of what is being alleged is nothing more than gossip and mean spirited. It will only get worse.

He is no saint but I've seen nothing yet that would make me say he was a bad person.

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bfox254

Bloomberg's not a saint. The problem for the Trump team will be that for every piece of dirt they did up on Bloomberg, guaranteed Trump's said or done something much worse. They'll have to decide if it's worth reminding voters of Trump's own indiscretions in an attempt to smear Bloomberg.

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paprikash

It will be worth it

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bfox254

Bloomberg's team is already slinging mud, and doing it very effectively. Team Trump will have to tread very carefully. For three years, there's been minimal pushback on their insults, conspiracy theories and lies. I think that's about to change.

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bfox254

Also, when Trump ran the first time, he didn't have a political record. It was easy for Trump to beat on others for decisions they made without having to defend his own. Not so, this time. Remember that no good, horrible Iran Nuclear deal he loved to complain about? He got us out of it alright, now Iran's back to building nuclear weapons.

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maddie260

DON'T forget for a minute that many -may be most?- just want dt OUT! We will vote for Mickey Mouse if it comes down to him or dt.

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Ann

I guess there was quite a Wapo article today about his treatment of women. I'll likely hit a paywall, but I'll try to find it. Chris Wallace was talking about it and Donna Brazile sounds like she's out on Bloomberg.

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Nana H

Guess maybe Donna Brazile is part of the "party elite".

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Ann

Donna is a Fox News employee these days (as a political contributor), but she certainly remains a Democrat.

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Nana H

But certainty not an " elite ". Her fall from grace was huge. If she is down on Bloomberg you can be sure HC is not in the running for number two.

Edited

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Ann

I did hit a paywall in the Wapo article, unfortunately. It was discussed in two segments of Wallace's show today, and I'd like to read it. But, I did view a CNN video, with some of the quotes from the article and it sounds like it was really something. Did anyone read it? Here is an article about the Wapo article.


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/15/21139131/bloomberg-alleged-sexism-sexual-harassment-washington-post-national-polls

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mudhouse

The first link below is an archived link to the Washington Post article about Bloomberg; it will let folks read without hitting the paywall.

https://archive.is/rBYu3

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/michael-bloomberg-women/

Mike Bloomberg for years has battled women’s allegations of profane, sexist comments

I haven't finished reading the article yet, but I did hear Donna Brazile's comments earlier today, and I agree she clearly wasn't pleased with Bloomberg.

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Ann

Thanks mudhouse! I was hoping you or someone might pop in and do that as I've noticed you've gotten archived versions of articles in the past. Thanks again! I'm off to read it right now.

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Ann

Whoa, now that is quite an article!

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justerrilynn(10)

OMG hahahahaha! What an article! I’m not slightly concerned with Bloomy lol. He will not connect with women, minorities or middle class.

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mudhouse

Well, I'm still trying to think what to say about that article, and doing more reading. I'm sure these allegations and past lawsuits have been in the news for years, but I didn't know about them. Wow.

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foodonastump

A little rough around the edges but I like his policies.

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justerrilynn(10)

I just thought of something funny. Bloomy couldn’t fill a stadium but I could see him thinking himself brilliant for coming up with an idea of having a rally in a big barn “to reach those little middle class people” lol. Could you picture him in a barn? What would he wear? Well, a little howdy doody shirt of course. This is going to be fun.

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Ann

I think the article does all the speaking, Mudhouse. I imagine they have been in the news, but I certainly didn't know about them either. But, a follower of Bloomberg news, I had no reason to be until now.

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mudhouse

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/147d68ac-ec77-493d-9de9-92b47e214f05/note/fd46d6a6-8734-4671-8dbc-edd5f5b93a35.pdf

The above is a link to the court document for the complaint filed by Sekiko Sekai Garrison in 1998, with details about the allegations referred to in the WaPo article.

The case was settled, and the Village Voice reported on the settlement amount in 2001: "The company settled the Garrison case, without admitting wrongdoing, for what the Voice has learned was “a very high six-figure” amount..."

Link to 2001 Village Voice article about Bloomberg

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maddie260

It cracks me up that they go after Bloomberg when you look at their VERY FLAWED leader: 18 credible accusations, payoffs, etc. Does that not matter? Gaslighting in full swing. hahaha! They have been well taught!

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mudhouse

It cracks me up that they go after Bloomberg.

Who's going after Bloomberg, maddie? The Washington Post, and the Village Voice? Those are the sources I'm posting from, about Bloomberg.

I do think the WaPo article will probably have an impact, after voters have some time to absorb news about past lawsuits they may not have known about. But ultimately people will vote for the candidate they think presents the best path forward, as always.

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maddie260

dt got a pass last time. I don't want him to get any pass this time- none at all. And, no free advertising this time either. fox news continues to give him free advertising- showing his rallies - plain wrong! ETA: most news outlets admitted HRC's emails were way overanalyzed last time- he got little scrutiny. They did not do their homework. Look what that wrought.

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foodonastump

It will be interesting to see how many of the self described “ higher morals, I’m better than you” people will vote for Bloomy. I can’t wait to count the hypocrites.


I don’t enjoy reading these stories; four years ago they might have been disqualifying. But unfortunately the bar for decency has been lowered every day of the past four years. Unless something truly horrendous comes out, or if we start to suspect that Bloomberg would make a similar mockery or our system of government as our current president does, or will take to similar disparagement and alienation of half the country, I will unapologetically support “less bad.” No Trumpster will burden me with an ounce of guilt. Nope, not gonna happen.

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Nana H

I notice from the article, if I read it correctly, that none of the suits resulted in a ruling against Bloomberg or his company. They were settled, dismissed or dropped. It is not the least bit unusual for a large, profitable company to have these types of law suits nor is it unusual for them to settle. Some are warranted, some are frivolous.

None of this is curent or even recent and certainly not unkown yet it didn't stop him from winning three times in NYC. I'll wait to hear Bloomberg's side.

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justerrilynn(10)

I don’t think anyone is going after Bloomberg. It’s just that it wasn’t really about Trump after all...it was about losing.

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foodonastump

No but keep saying that if it makes you feel better.

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queenmargo

I notice from the article, if I read it correctly, that none of the suits resulted in a ruling against Bloomberg or his company. They were settled, dismissed or dropped. It is not the least bit unusual for a large, profitable company to have these types of law suits nor is it unusual for them to settle. Some are warranted, some are frivolous.

Well said nana, and that goes for Trump as well;)

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queenmargo

I bet all the Bloomberg supporters will pretty much express what we have expressed about Trump. So if you support/vote for Bloomberg, you will actually be a hypocrite if you support/vote for him.

I am enjoying this stuff;))

Let the morals begin......

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Nana H

"that goes for Trump as well;)"

I can't be bothered looking but I don' t think that is true. Certainly he was found guilty in the case involving his " charitable" foundation and I think the same is true for the Trump "Universty "suit.

Besides, the type of suit I am referring to when I say " these types" are those outlined in the attached article which concern allegations of sexual discrimination. I saw nothing there about fraud.

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how2girl

It’s all acceptable behaviour now isn’t it?

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queenmargo

It’s all acceptable behaviour now isn’t it?

Yes, it sure looks like those that had such high morals will be voting for anything blue, LOL... what a hypocritical bunch.

Time for a self moral check people!

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how2girl

Overdue.

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foodonastump

I guess the next several months are to be spent explaining apples to oranges? Not me, not interested. Explaining the obvious hasn’t worked in any other aspect of this presidency, why should this? I’ll try to SOB.

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queenmargo

Besides, the type of suit I am referring to when I say " these types" are those outlined in the attached article which concern allegations of sexual discrimination. I saw nothing there about fraud.

When you have Bloomberg's money, you can make anything go away.

The vetting has just begun.

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Stan Areted

I am enjoying this stuff;))


What tidbits I pick up now and then, I am, too, queenmargo.

Finger pointing, pontificating, judging, lying, infighting, hypocrisy--the democrat party is a wrestling match soap opera!

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bfox254

Yes, it sure looks like those that had such high morals will be voting for anything blue, LOL... what a hypocritical bunch.


Not hypocritical at all. When the candidates eventually get narrowed down to Donald Trump and someone else, unless that someone else turns out to be a serial killer, they will get my vote. It may not be my preferred candidate but getting rid of Trump is my main priority. The thought of another 4 years makes my stomach turn.



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queenmargo

Not hypocritical at all. When the candidates eventually get narrowed down to Donald Trump and someone else, unless that someone else turns out to be a serial killer, they will get my vote. It may not be my preferred candidate but getting rid of Trump is my main priority. The thought of another 4 years makes my stomach turn.

LOL- now only being a serial killer is a dis qualifier loll ool lol lol


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vgkg (Va Z-7)

I just can’t see Bloomberg making it to the end. Even if the dem’s could overlook his racism and sexism

You may be right, only the repubs could overlook those things in their candidate.

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queenmargo

2 Billion dollars might buy a lot of overlooking lol. Such high morals lol lol

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bfox254

Yep, that's pretty much where I stand :)

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queenmargo

NOW add the morals of the Clinton's to his morals and you are bankrupt, lol lol

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Demos mulligans are not easily sold, yet repubs give them our freely, and for anything, anything at all.

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queenmargo

Yep, that's pretty much where I stand :)

Good for you bfox. I would rather have someone stand up and call it like it is then pretend to have morals;)

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Nana H

QM, are you saying that someone who would vote for Bloomberg given this article is lacking in morals and values?

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queenmargo

What article? I did not read any article.

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queenmargo

My comments are not based on biased articles, one way or the other.

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Nana H

Then how do you know what we are taking about? It's the article mudhouse posted upthread that is the center if this entire discussion.

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queenmargo

Can you imagine if I read all those articles out there while Trump was running and then actually believed them. Really?

Some times one just goes with their gut. Some would call that ignorant. Some would call that stupid. Show me what reading all those articles did for the ANTI- Trumpers. I am not putting down reading, I just don't think being put down for not reading is necessary. Life is filled with different forms of believing or sensing things.

The readers often think of themselves as somehow more intelligent or informed. Could be, but, that all depends if what they read, was/is the truth.


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Stan Areted

It may not be my preferred candidate but getting rid of Trump is my main priority. The thought of another 4 years makes my stomach turn.


Now you've got it! Exactly how many of us felt after the incompetent do nothing Obama years!

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barncatz

If anyone thinks men didn't talk that way 20- 25 years ago, ( referring to statements in WaPo Bloomberg article), they probably weren't women working in 'men dominated/equivalent' jobs.

I didn't see any allegations of Bloomberg physically forcing himself on/kissing/grabbing/raping women just to keep a few of the more repellant apples and oranges identified.



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Ann

OMG! This thread has gotten hysterical! Oh, the funny and twisted justifications! And, SOB will be the answer:) This is going to be so much fun to watch.

Margo, you really should consider scrolling up and reading the article mudhouse posted. Seriously, it's worth it. Bloomberg "stuff" makes anything Trump was accused of look like child's play in comparison!

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Nana H

"Bloomberg "stuff" makes anything Trump was accused of look like child's play in comparison!"

Unbelievable.

Trump has done that and more! Much, more. Defrauding his own "charity", paying off strippers , forcing himself of women never mind the insults, threats and lies.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Well, trump has the mind of a spoiled little child, so in that respect.......

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mudhouse

Bloomberg "stuff" makes anything Trump was accused of look like child's play in comparison!

By comparison, Bloomberg is the Democrat candidate that makes Trump look younger, taller, more respectful to women, less of a playboy, and only moderately wealthy.

Good job, Dems.

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zmith

We’ll wait with baited breath for all the stories about Bloomberg’s associations with known pedophiles....

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Ann

"Well, trump has the mind of a spoiled little child, so in that respect...…."

Lol, that's most certainly not a mind we saw described in the piece about Bloomberg!!!! In that piece, we saw a person who thinks he can do and say absolutely anything he wants and has no boundaries whatsoever. He clearly thinks he's above everyone. His superiority thing is incredible! I think racism is typically a very overused term, but WOW when it comes to Bloomberg!

"Upon information and belief, in or about July 1993, Bloomberg heard that a female Company sales person, who had just had a baby, was having difficulty finding a nanny. He yelled loudly at her, in the presence of a large group of employees,“It’s a f------ baby! All it does is eat and s---! It doesn’t know the difference between you and anyone else! All you need is some black who doesn’t even have to speak English to rescue it from a burning building!” The sales person cried at hearing her employer say such things to her, in so public a manner."

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queenmargo

"Upon information and belief, in or about July 1993, Bloomberg heard that a female Company sales person, who had just had a baby, was having difficulty finding a nanny. He yelled loudly at her, in the presence of a large group of employees,“It’s a f------ baby! All it does is eat and s---! It doesn’t know the difference between you and anyone else! All you need is some black who doesn’t even have to speak English to rescue it from a burning building!” The sales person cried at hearing her employer say such things to her, in so public a manner."

WOW Ann, if that is true of Bloomberg, he is one heartless jerk. I imagine the stories will start to pour out.

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Ann

Margo, you really need to read that article. It's a long novel full of stuff just like that. It will leave you speechless!

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queenmargo

Then the left will try to compare him to Trump, LOL. They won't see how silly it will look and sound after all their "moral" comments about Trump. Now they will defend the same things that they denounced. I am going to have a ball, lol

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queenmargo

OK Ann, you have got my interest peaked;))

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Lol, that's most certainly not a mind we saw described in the piece about Bloomberg!!!! In that piece, we saw a person who thinks he can do and say absolutely anything he wants and has no boundaries whatsoever. He clearly thinks he's above everyone. His superiority thing is incredible!

"Wow" is right, you just described trump to a tee, and yet you don't see it all too clearly?

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Ann

It's piqued:) I've written peaked (for piqued) on HT for years now, been corrected time and time again and, finally it sunk in after years and many corrections.

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Ann

"Then the left will try to compare him to Trump, LOL. They won't see how silly it will look and sound after all their "moral" comments about Trump."

Bloomberg leaves Trump in the dust in the bad morals department. There is no comparison. Clearly, Bloomberg thinks he sits on a pedestal above all people "beneath" him. His money has clearly messed with his mind in a very big way. Now, the housekeeper/Scrabble story makes a ton of sense. Trump's blue collar(ness) will be an absolute breath of fresh air in comparison.

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mudhouse

(Note to self about the word "piqued.") Thanks Ann.

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mudhouse

Clearly these court documents and allegations have been in the press for decades. I never paid much attention to Bloomberg.

What I don't understand is, why did the Washington Post decided to do such an extensive article? They've gathered thousands of documents. People like me are not their target. People on the left read and trust WaPo more than people on the right.

WaPo has clearly demonstrated their willingness to shape elections by what they report. Was it so bad that WaPo just felt a need to get out in front of it, to look like they had some degree of journalistic integrity? Or is
WaPo trying to tank Bloomberg, in favor of another candidate?

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Ann

Lol mudhouse. I think Elvis was the first to correct me and others have since (including in recent weeks). It really has taken me years and several mistakes.

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queenmargo

OK- read the article.

I have known nothing about this Bloomberg until now. He sure hates women tho, well, unless it is for one thing and one thing only by the accounts in that article;(

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Ann

"WaPo has clearly demonstrated their willingness to shape elections by what they report. Was it so bad that WaPo just felt a need to get out in front of it, to look like they had some degree of journalistic integrity? Or is

WaPo trying to tank Bloomberg, in favor of another candidate? "

I've been pondering what WaPo's decision might be based on too. Because this stuff has been public but people like you and me had no clue and had never seen it, I'm guessing they knew it would come out and fairly quickly. So, I think they decided to "take" the "big story", and a very big story it is. It's also possible, if they think Bloomberg might end up the nominee, best to get this out their early and as completely as possible. That way, it will have time to become older news as time passes. I doubt they are trying to tank Bloomberg because I doubt they are trying to support Bernie.

What a completely fascinating Dem primary this has become. It's been interesting for a while, but it's at the best stage now. It could be all settled in about a month (Brazile thinks it will be) or it could go to a brokered convention (Chris Wallace is so hoping for that highly newsworthy outcome - he can't wait to be able to report about a brokered convention).

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queenmargo

Now that my interest has been "piqued", ( I am a quick study, when I want to be, lol) I will read more articles about Bloomberg. I love to have some ammunition.


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Ann

Margo, I also knew none of that stuff! I think it indicates he hates women, minorities, service individuals (like housekeepers and nannies), etc. White House staff would cringe if he was elected. They've had some challenging White House residents to contend with, but imagine how they'd feel about Bloomberg!

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queenmargo

Maybe Bloomy should take some of his money and start paying reparations Ann.

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maddie260

Ann: "Bloomberg leaves Trump in the dust in the bad morals department."

Simply impossible. We have had three years of dt's immorality- it is second to no one else's.

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Ann

"Maybe Bloomy should take some of his money and start paying reparations Ann."

Actually, I think that's exactly what his plan will be. I bet he'll just toss money the way of every group he's been so very insulting about and hopes it works.

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mudhouse

After three years of insisting that Trump supporters are wrong to not see that the president needs to function as a moral compass for the country, I can't see how many will be comfortable with reversing themselves, and supporting Bloomberg now in spite of his character flaws.

I've been posting from the start that I don't need a president as a moral compass, I need him to further the policies I support.

But I think many on the left have backed themselves into a corner by saying their objections to Trump are based more on moral character flaws than on objections to his policies. Oops. Now what? The guy with the most drive and money to defeat Trump doesn't represent the values they've been saying are critical in a president. What kind of a moral compass is Bloomberg?

Bloomberg may have to give up his hopes of being the Dem nominee, and settle for buying his way into a top power position in the Dem party, by being an almost unlimited source of funding to win Congressional races instead. That's my guess, anyway, of where he'll end up.

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Ann

Oh those corners they back themselves into and then try to justify their way out of:)

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barncatz

Unlike Trump's demeaning comments about women, these incidents all happened in the 1990s. I may have missed some.

I thought Kavanaugh's behavior was too remote in time to disqualify him, and then he screamed, insulted and bragged about liking beer in the present.

Trump's "horseface" was in late 2018. His cruelty and narcissism makes him dangerous as a leader in a democracy. Those traits would be fine in a dictatorship. His lack of a moral compass matters in a country ruled by laws that must be applied equally because he will never see his opponents as his equals. As for Bloomberg, the article also says this:

Bloomberg returned to the company in 2014 and last year took leave to run for president. The company last year expanded its parental leave policy from 18 weeks of paid leave to 26 weeks, which it said is one of the most generous in the industry. The company said women hold an increasing number of top positions.

Trevor Jarrett, who oversaw Bloomberg’s business in Australia and New Zealand from 1989 to 2001, said he saw Bloomberg’s attitude toward women change.

Jarrett said he got to know Bloomberg at a time when they worked in an industry that was “male-dominated and full of inappropriate comments by everybody, not just Mike. I could tell he changed a lot through the ’90s, including at my recommendation of putting a woman in charge of the office in Sydney.” Over time, Jarrett said, Bloomberg was “as fair to women as he was to men.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/michael-bloomberg-women/

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Nana H

Bloomberg's behaviour as described is totally unacceptable but I think it must be looked at in the context of his much more recent behaviour. This is all decades ago and at a time when the intolerable was tolerable. DId he learn and move on or has he continued as described?

Unlike Trump supporters, I don't think you'll find any supporters he may have justifying, excusing and even defending his words or actions. As I have often said, I get supporting Trump on policy, I don't get accepting and defending his behaviour. I don't think you'll see Bloomberg supporters do that. That's is the difference between standing for your values or not.

However egregious his behaviour is, it is in no way worse than Trump's as it relates to women. How anyone could be critical of him and not Trump makes no sense. You either think it's wrong or you don' t.

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Stan Areted

IT only needs to make sense to US.

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Nana H

.....and it only does.

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Stan Areted

As well as any position.

We vote as we want.

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justerrilynn(10)

Nana, 2016 isn’t decades ago.

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Nana H

Very observant of you ........

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queenmargo

LOL

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queenmargo

Oh those corners they back themselves into and then try to justify their way out of:)

and we will be in those corners just waiting,,,,,, lol

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Ann

Dang, is there anyone this man doesn't look down to? Again, IMO his money has messed with his head.


https://www.newsweek.com/mike-bloomberg-teach-anyone-farm-less-gray-matter-modern-jobs-1487633

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queenmargo

add farmers to the reparation list;)

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Ann

Getting to know Bloomberg is really turning into quite an experience. I can't wait to see him come out of hiding and address a question he doesn't like from a competitor or a debate moderator. I expect his - you're a lesser/inferior being attitude - will be on full display!

My guess is he won't be in Wednesday's debate. He's got to be handing out money to ensure no more qualifying polls come out in time:)

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cattyles

Who are you voting for in the Dem primary, Ann?

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Ann

Cattyles, great question. I thought I was going to vote in the Dem primary but recently began to rethink that (because I've no clue who I would vote for) and decided I'd just vote in the GOP primary instead (for Trump). But, now with the craziness in the Dem primary (IMO), I'm not at all certain which primary I'll vote in. I have to choose one or the other. My ballot is here and waiting and I'll most definitely vote, but I am very undecided for whom or even which party. I'm watching day by day developments.

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foodonastump

I’m waking up to the news that Bloomberg has qualified to be in the debate. Good. He’s had a tough few days of news and it’s time to see how he’ll respond to that as well as the rest of the issues. It’ll be interesting to see who gets targeted more, the newcomer or the frontrunner.

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Ziemia(6a)

There’s a popular internet meme that routinely surfaces on Twitter and it’s based on aheadline from the satirical site Clickhole: “Heartbreaking,” it says. “The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point.” We all know what that feeling is like: resentment that someone horrible said something smart, and begrudging admission that should probably be acknowledged.

It is with that begrudging resentment (I’m sure there’s a German word for it) that it pains me deeply to say that Michael Bloomberg’s campaign is doing things that Democrats should be doing generally in terms of communicating with voters, and that his willingness to spend large amounts of money on media buys and new technologies is unprecedented, and needed.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/i-loathe-mike-bloomberg-but-hes-doing-one-thing-right

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Stan Areted

It is quite interesting, but not surprising, to see the left suddenly abandon the very "values" they claimed to have in order to defeat President Trump, all that is important is defeating President Trump.

And the circle goes round and round......makes conservatives smile.

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Ziemia(6a)

It's not the left.

It's the centrists.

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Ann

FOAS, I agree with your comment. I expect both Bernie and Bloomberg will get tons of "incoming". I expect this debate will get serious viewership. It's getting to a very important point for Dems. They need to sort all this out pretty soon. I bet there are tons of undecideds!

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queenmargo

Bloomberg will amp up the debate ratings. People will want to see what all the hype is about. I have not watched, but if he is in the debate I will.

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Ann

It's tomorrow night, Margo. 8 eastern time, if I'm not mistaken, and I think it's on NBC, MSNBC or both.

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queenmargo

OY! IF 8 eastern then 7 for me, which is the same time as Survivor. What to do, what to do.

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justerrilynn(10)

It is quite interesting, but not surprising, to see the left suddenly abandon the very "values" they claimed to have in order to defeat President Trump, all that is important is defeating President Trump.



Was it about values or just about having fits over losing? I’m starting to wonder.

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Nana H

I'm not hearing any defence by the left of what Bloomberg said decades ago, quite the opposite.

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Stan Areted

Good point, justerrilynn.

I never thought the left was guilty of having too many values.

I have always thought it was just about "losing," but their claims of having values while slamming our President and his supporters are now totally exposed as disingenuous as they would embrace Michael Bloomberg just to get President Trump.

But we already know what they're willing to do--lie, cheat, misrepresent.

Comey, Mueller, FISA warrants, the dossier full of lies, Russia Russia Russa, quid pro quo, McCabe, Strzok, Page, the list goes on and on.


The comical thing is all this consternation about President Trump's tweets about an "ongoing case."

How quickly the left forgets President Barack Obama's comments about these cases.


Trayvon Martin

Michael Brown

Professor Henry Gates.


Trump Derangement Syndrome Hypocrisy!

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Nana H

Talking about hypocrisy, also recall Republican heads exploding when Obama made public comments on cases.

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Ann

Margo, record Survivor:)

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Ann

Justlynn, maybe some have the same complex as Bloomberg; feel superior to others and feel the need to try to shame others, just as Bloomberg clearly does. People who feel superior most definitely struggle with losing too, so there's that:)

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Nana H

Still trying to figure out who is defending Bloomberg.

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queenmargo

Some struggle with losing a prediction, so there's that ')

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justerrilynn(10)

Ann, Is it that they feel superior or have some kind of complex? I recently read a book that got me to thinking about how people can be compared to wildlife. Moderate Democrats are like Beavers in that they are planners . Republicans are Beavers and Wolves. They are planners but hardier and have more self efficiency in feeding themselves . Everyone else falls into the Sloth category.

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Nana H

So old, but when ya got nothin ' else.....ya got nothin' else.

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barncatz

The comical thing is all this consternation about President Trump's tweets about an "ongoing case."

How quickly the left forgets President Barack Obama's comments about these cases.

Trayvon Martin

Michael Brown

Professor Henry Gates.

.....

Shot Dead

Shot Dead

Arrested for breaking into his own home, charges dropped.

vs.

Roger Stone. Convicted by a jury of his peers of obstructing the American system of justice, to wit:

Federal prosecutors asked a judge on Monday to sentence Roger J. Stone Jr., President Trump’s longtime friend and former campaign adviser, to up to nine years in prison for lying to Congress and tampering with a witness to prevent investigators from discovering how the 2016 Trump campaign tried to benefit from stolen Democratic documents.

Trump tweets that his long-time buddy and co-conspirator's sentence is too long and NOT FAIR!

The United States Attorney General intervenes to submit a recommendation for: wait for it - a shorter sentence, as requested.

The utter failure of a Trump supporter to say, "this is too far, I can't support a President fixing sentences for his cronies", is the furthest thing from comical that I've seen in my lifetime.

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Ziemia(6a)

Trump Commutes Corruption Sentence of Governor Rod Blagojevich of Illinois

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Stan Areted

Oh, but President Trump isn't supposed to have an opinion but the Fake Savior can!

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queenmargo

I was hoping Trump would let Blago out.

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queenmargo

So old, but when ya got nothin ' else.....ya got nothin' else.

an oldie, but goodie ;) Have fun with it!

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barncatz

Oh, but President Trump isn't supposed to have an opinion but the Fake Savior can!

He can have any opinion he wants with, say, his fat cat hangers on in Palm Beach, shoving over-priced chocolate cake into their faces. No idea who the Fake Savior is, but it's a fine band name; and if he can afford the Mar-a-lago fees, he and Trump can exchange opinions all day long.

But as President, no, Stan, in America, Trump is not supposed to use the power of his office to help his friend evade the results of the crimes normal, everyday citizens say he committed.


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Ann

"So old, but when ya got nothin ' else.....ya got nothin' else."

This is how I feel about the shame game that has become quite a trademark of many in the Dem party. You know, people who talk about things like conservatives who haven't as much as traveled to the next county. Deplorables, accusations that others lack morals and ethics (because, God forbid, they placed a vote of their choosing), accusations of others of being uneducated, unworldly, etc. It's become quite a trend among liberals and, my goodness, is it ever the most evident quality of Bloomberg - women, minorities, children, housekeepers, nannies, farmers, black young men, etc. He thinks everyone is "beneath" him.

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bfox254

Ann, quite the generalization. You've heard a few comments made by Bloomberg and assume he thinks everyone's beneath him? Let's wait and let the man speak before rushing to judgement. I don't have a firm opinion yet because I don't know enough about him.

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bfox254

LOL, the Fake Saviors tour, summer 2020, coming to a city near you

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Stan Areted

No, Donald Trump is not a savior.

He is an effective PRESIDENT, all we wanted, all we needed.


MAGA.

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queenmargo

Let's wait and let the man speak before rushing to judgement. I don't have a firm opinion yet because I don't know enough about him.

He better own a dog right?


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Stan Areted

He better own a dog right?

Yes, and it's okay if it's strapped on top of a car because Bloomberg hates Trump!

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queenmargo

Let's make sure we check out the size of his hands at the debate.

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Ann

Margo, I was wrong about the debate time. I think the debate starts at 8 (your time) instead of 7.

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