When will FOIA be gone?

Annie Deighnaugh

So much of what we're learning about what's going on in the administration is through efforts to obtain documents through the FOIA...the latest being the case dropped against McCabe, done only because the court transcripts became public making it clear that the DoJ was just dragging this case along despite knowing they had no case.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/federal-judge-blasted-doj-for-leaving-andrew-mccabe-in-limbo


So when will trump start going after FOIA? It's a huge problem for him as it keeps shining sunlight into the darkest recesses of his administration. No authoritarian will allow that to stand.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

As soon as Fox propaganda convinces Cult45 it is all fake information.

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socks(10a)

Easy—executive order. He will just yell at one of his minions to write it up and bring me a sharpie to sign!

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Nana H

The name Freedom of Information Act, leads me to believe this was something passed by Congress so Trump can't unilaterally stop it.....or at least that is the way things used to work.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Trump prefers a Freedom of Disinformation Act, the fox newz policy.

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graywings123(7)

at least that is the way things used to work.

And that is what is concerning.

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adoptedbyhounds

"The name Freedom of Information Act, leads me to believe this was something passed by Congress so Trump can't unilaterally stop it.....or at least that is the way things used to work."

Speaking of how things "used to work" remember when Hillary set up a private server for official DOS work?

Her emails weren't "agency records." Do you remember what happened when people made FOIA requests from DOS?

Hint: The absence of Hillary's official emails was a clue. Eventually we all learned about her private server, which was designed to give her control over documents that belonged to the US government.


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Kathy

The Trump admin uses/used Whats App, private servers, & personal emails to communicate. Calling Hillary out was nothing more than a political witch hunt. Trump and the GOP accuse others of that which they do.

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adoptedbyhounds

Wow! When will Adam Schiff be holding hearings.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Yeah no. You don't get to call out hillary when trump is doing all of that and more...so much more...meetings with putin with no note takers and only russian translators, misclassifying transcripts so they can be buried, shredding documents, private servers, unsecured personal phones, defying subpoenas, etc.

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Joaniepoanie

Bush had a private server and conveniently lost thousands of subpoenaed emails. They were subsequently recovered but are archived and cannot be accessed for another couple of years.

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adoptedbyhounds

Not the way it works, Annie.

Thanks to FOIA requests that were denied because Hillarys emails were all in her possession, she got caught. She has been and will continue to be known for storing government emails she had no right to possess.

By the way, this is a shared forum. Those of us privileged to participate here are not in a position to instruct others on how they “get” to respond. That’s a role for moderators.

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socks(10a)

Some here say the Democrats are panicked, hysterical, etc. Obama did this and Hillary did that. We've seen this so many times. It's deflection because the current "leader's" behavior is indefensible.

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patriciae_gw(07)

Though the details of why Clinton had a private server or how government emails were captured for archiving is more or less misrepresented here that is water under the bridge having been investigated out the wazoo plus has nothing to do with this particular thread.

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Annie Deighnaugh

abh, the way it works is I get to call out hypocrisy where I see it, esp when the same people who attack dems for a mote in their eye, not just ignore but support and defend the log in trump's.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Emails? What was it that you were expecting to uncover? Her emails are out there, there had to be recipients, did they destroy their emails too and just didn't get caught? Can any of us really destroy our emails? Deleting isn't forever and smashed cell phones doesn't erase emails either. Still don't know what was expected, some big scandal like Uranium One?

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Annie Deighnaugh

What never gets mentioned is that, even with the stolen dnc emails revealed, there were no major scandals uncovered. I doubt one would find the same with emails stolen from the trumps....

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batyabeth

exactly annie. And it's a sure bet that FOIA will be on the chopping block. only a question of when, not if. We are turning more and more into an authoritarian mess every day.

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adoptedbyhounds

"Though the details of why Clinton had a private server or how government emails were captured for archiving is more or less misrepresented here that is water under the bridge having been investigated out the wazoo plus has nothing to do with this particular thread."

The DNC denied the FBI's request to examine its equipment, and the FBI failed to confiscate it. It makes no sense the government would walk away from a possible "hacking" by Russia, and allow a for-profit, non government company to take control of that equipment. Certainly not without determining for itself, and for the American people FIRST that it was a Russian intrusion. There has to be more to this than we were told.

And where is the equipment now? The FBI confiscated the private server Hillary was storing. They didn't ask her for permission to take it. And as it turned out, what was on it wasn't limited to what Hillary said was on it. It's bizarre that the President has to ask about equipment the government failed to confiscate.

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Ziemia(6a)

The Trump admin basically said they couldn't find any significant wrong doing by Hillary Clinton. So that "Hillary's server" stuff is nonsense.

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Ziemia(6a)

The FBI couldn't confiscate the DNC server. It didn't exist.

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zmith

The DNC denied the FBI's request to examine its equipment, and the FBI
failed to confiscate it. It makes no sense the government would walk
away from a possible "hacking" by Russia, and allow a for-profit, non
government company to take control of that equipment. Certainly not
without determining for itself, and for the American people FIRST that
it was a Russian intrusion. There has to be more to this than we were
told.---adoptedbyhounds

FUN FACT: the DNC provided the FBI with the data from their server. The FBI accepted this alternate, because it represents an identical copy and IS THE SAME AS EXAMINING THE SERVER.

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Iris GW

Still not sure why Trump hasn't been able to lock her up yet.

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zmith

It's a mystery, isn't it, Iris?

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Annie Deighnaugh

Can we close the door on hillary's email server?

A multiyear State Department probe of emails that were sent to former secretary of state Hillary Clinton’s private computer server concluded there was no systemic or deliberate mishandling of classified information by department employees, according to a report submitted to Congress this month....

In the end, State Department investigators found 38 current or former employees “culpable” of violating security procedures — none involving material that had been marked classified — in a review of roughly 33,000 emails that had been sent to or from the personal computer system Clinton used. Source WaPo

A multi-year study that went back through 9-yr old emails.

Yet we have the FSB running all the security for the US Embassy in Moscow. Can we get a sense of proportion here on where the risk to national security lies?

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adoptedbyhounds

Yep. We are to trust data from the non government for-profit private company that provided it.

We are to trust the DNC that refused to let the FBI examine it.

We are to trust the FBI when it tells Americans to trust data... from equipment it was denied access to.

Even the president can’t find out where the equipment is.

The story stinks.

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Kathy

Roughly 22 million White House e-mails exchanged via private servers during the G.W. Bush administration were deleted instead of being archived in accordance with the Presidential Records Act.

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Ziemia(6a)

There

Was

No

DNC

Server

To

Examine

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Ziemia(6a)

PS: The president has been told about where the DNC server "is". He somehow doesn't recall or understand that.

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adoptedbyhounds

The server the FBI wasn't allowed to inspect doesn't exist?

Oh wait, now the president was told where it is.

Got a source?

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Annie Deighnaugh

I've argued this so many times with cait...there is *no* missing server. There was no need for the fbi to examine the servers themselves as there was no allegation that someone tampered with the physical boxes. It was via software that the theft was accomplished and the information stored in the servers were mirrored for the fbi who was then able to examine them. To physically take the servers would have so crippled the dnc as it would've taken weeks to replace them and get systems up and running that it was an excessive burden they couldn't afford...especially since *it wasn't necessary*!

https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-missing-dnc-server-is-neither-missing-nor-a-server

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adoptedbyhounds

"There was no need for the fbi to examine the servers themselves as there was no allegation that someone tampered with the physical boxes."

And yet the FBI "asked" to examine the equipment. And took no for an answer from the DNC.

"It was via software that the theft was accomplished and the information stored in the servers were mirrored for the fbi who was then able to examine them."

That's the problem. A private, for profit, non government company was allowed to do the examination, because the DNC denied the FBI access to the equipment.

"To physically take the servers would have so crippled the dnc as it would've taken weeks to replace them and get systems up and running that it was an excessive burden they couldn't afford...especially since *it wasn't necessary*!"

And yet a private company was able to do what needed to be done. That argument makes no sense.

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Ziemia(6a)

ABH - you are mixing up different aspects of the DNC server, its hacking, the actions taken upon discovery of the intrusion, and what server forensics looks like.

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Ziemia(6a)

Besides, Trump's own admin has admitted there's nothing there to worry about.

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Ziemia(6a)

"The “server” Trump is obsessed with is actually 140 servers, most of them cloud-based.."

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Ziemia(6a)

About forensics

"They make an exact byte-for-byte copy of the hard drives. They do the same for the machine’s memory, capturing evidence that would otherwise be lost at the next reboot ..."

And note that some of the 140 servers are basically virtual servers. So they are not there to be picked up. All you can do is make an exact copy.


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Ziemia(6a)

Just speculating here but giving the FBI the option to run an investigation would mean the DNC would have to shut down their operation. And then the FBI would need time to do their work. And the DNC wouldn't have access if the FBI took the actual hardware.

While their system was violated, there are ways to safely retrieve needed information. And they wouldn't be able to do that if the FBI took over access to their system.

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Ziemia(6a)

The private company would do more than what the FBI would do. And Crowdstrike would do it all quickly.

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Ziemia(6a)

If someone breaks into your house and you don't want to mess with insurance claims or help find the perp, the police cannot force you to let them in. They would have to seek a warrant. Not sure a judge would grant the warrant. Any experts?

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Annie Deighnaugh

There's something hypocritical here going on.

It's ok for trump to obstruct justice and purge the fbi of people he suspects are setting him up when in fact they are only looking to do their job and figure out why the president had so many contacts with russians who clearly interfered in the election and from which he benefited.

However it's not ok for the dnc, who suffered the effects of the fbi, against policy, publicly commenting in a damaging manner about hillary, to be reluctant to turn their systems over to the fbi and instead use an outside firm, expert in server forensics, who then cooperated fully with the fbi and to their satisfaction.

If you believe trump had every reason to be suspicious of comey, certainly hillary had many more.

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Annie Deighnaugh

So here you go... a picture of a bank of servers...which one do you want to examine...which one was secreted in ukraine. It's so ridiculous. It's not about the hardware which can be copied and backed up and who knows what is actually in a specific box...you certainly can't tell by *looking* at it. It's not about the hardware, but the software, the bits and bytes that contain the information.


It's like trying to discern someone's thoughts by cutting their skull open and looking at their brain...it's not going to tell you a thing about what they're thinking.

I'm telling you, russian intelligence must be laughing their fool heads off at how well these ridiculous conspiracy theories work in the US...and esp with the president.

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