More people of integrity leave in the face of trump corruption

Annie Deighnaugh

You tell me the DoJ isn't serving the president instead of the people of the United States:

The entire team prosecuting Roger Stone abruptly resigned from the criminal case on Tuesday after the Justice Department said it planned to reduce the recommended sentence for Stone, a longtime Trump associate.

The Justice Department on Tuesday said it was pulling back on its request to sentence Stone to seven to nine years in prison after President Donald Trump blasted the sentencing proposal as "a miscarriage of justice."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/doj-backpedalling-sentencing-recommendation-trump-ally-roger-stone-n1134961

And this is the stuff we hear about...who knows how many people who are career public servants who are leaving or being forced out in light of trump's corrupt and illegal behavior.



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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Four resignations!

"Tuesday Afternoon Massacre"--according to some (who remember the "Saturday Night Massacre" of the Nixon years).

Kate

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leona_2008

Guess their integrity isn't up for sale. I'd like to shake their hands.

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51gerri

Of course lying is acceptable. Trump does it on a daily basis.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

Their goal is chaos.

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Annie Deighnaugh

It's a tough decision...I feel for these people...do you stay and try to maintain as much integrity in the system as possible? Or resign in protest knowing your position will be filled by a slug?

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,maifleur,others(8a)

I agree Annie.

I’m more the defiant type. ie stay on, go to court, make the recommendation that I know is right regardless of orders from the top, and let them fire me for breaking protocol.

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adoptedbyhounds

"More people of integrity leave in the face of trump corruption."

What? They've left government?

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FinallyHome

Catkin - So what? He's guilty and should do the time.

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margaritadina

''catkinZ8a

How on earth did CNN know ahead of time so they could be there in the wee hours with all their camera equipment set up?'

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They used ''reporters intuition'' - and I am not kidding.

Guys put up quite a military arrest show to get an old man on charges that have NOTHING to do with russian collusion, didn't they? 29 guys armed to their teeth . More then it took to take out Osama.

Tucker has a good peace on it:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/01/29/tucker_carlson_roger_stones_real_crime_was_flamboyance_nothing_about_russian_collusion.html

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Annie Deighnaugh

President Donald Trump rescinded the promotion of a U.S. attorney who didn't file charges against former acting FBI director Andrew McCabe and who supervised the prosecution of Trump associate Roger Stone. The decision was one of several recent moves by Attorney General William Barr to take control of legal matters of personal interest to Trump, according to multiple people familiar with the matter, including the reduction of a sentencing proposal for Stone that led several prosecutors to resign Tuesday.

Source: NBC News

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Annie Deighnaugh

Preet Bharara: The DOJ leadership seems bent on humiliating its own career prosecutors, sacrificing its independence, politicizing justice, and giving special treatment to the President’s criminal associates. The worst part is they don’t seem even to care anymore.

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adoptedbyhounds

Which of the people of integrity in the OP have left government?

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Joaniepoanie

The president using the DOJ to protect his cronies and go after opponents, with the blessing and assistance of the AG. This is the stuff of banana republics.

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numbersjunkie

ABH, the question is "Which people of integrity are still in positions of power within the government?"

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Nana H

Evidently Trump has also withdrawn the nomination for a high level Treasury position for one of the prosecutors who oversaw the Stone case. He did it abruptly and with no reasons offered.

It wasn't clear to me if it was of these five or someone involved earlier.

More punishment and retribution.....more heads on pikes.

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lurker111

Nasty swamp creatures. Bottom dwellers. Crats call them "people of integrity". You can't make this stuff up.

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Annie Deighnaugh

The resignation of these prosecutors is only more recent and more public, but trump has been kicking out professionals with morals since the beginning either through direct firing or forcing them to choose between their morality or working for trump. Early ones include Shaub and Yates, later ones include Mattis and Spencer. Then all the ones related to the impeachment including McCusker over the administration violating the law re ukraine funding.

From eliminating and not replacing many positions in the state dept to wholesale firing of federal attorneys, trump has been filling his administration with people loyal to him vs. their profession integrity and the Constitution.

From 6/2017: Dozens of Environmental Protection Agency scientists were recently informed that their contracts would not be renewed this August, leaving a key EPA office without important scientific guidance.

According to an email sent to EPA scientists and obtained by the Washington Post, the EPA has decided not to renew the posts of any scientists working for the EPA’s Board of Scientific Counselors (BOSC). The BOSC functions as an advisory board for the EPA’s Office of Research and Development, and helps the office make sure that it is using sufficiently rigorous science in its research and development programs.

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From 7/2019: The Trump administration is sending out removal letters to 250 scientists and researchers at the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) who have declined short-notice relocation from Washington, D.C. to a not-yet-to-be determined area in the Kansas City region.

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lurker111

Everyone involved in the smullett impeachment needs to be in prison, or removed from any government job, at the very least.

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Annie Deighnaugh

This is what it looks like when a nation's system of justice begins to unravel under the weight of partisan political intervention. A Justice Department that overrides its own prosecutors to do favors for the president's pals is a department that should expect to be seen as corrupt.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/following-apparent-political-interference-crisis-grips-justice-dept-n1135641?cid=sm_fb_maddow&fbclid=IwAR2o6Z1WKwOu7Op-SWp8LBis7yk1PjysteIUO29VWbRGSA0eL2NG_lYY3og

If you aren't scared, you should be.

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hamamelis

Scared, yes, because agents are deeply embedded, not just in government at all levels, but in much of the MSM. The NYT's editor in chief, Dean Baquet, who's proven to have lead election sabotage to elect Trump in 2016 is still in charge. Those who put out blatantly dishonest reports in 2016 for the AP, not just those producing the many months of anti-Democratic bias, are still working there.

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ohiomom

Their goal is chaos

......actually that is their goal, they want to destroy the state bring everything crashing down and destroy the establishment. Riots in the streets will take us back to when we were great.

The above words come from the Trump and Bannon and Trump's supporters support and look forward to this. Need proof? Read/listen to their words, they support the chaos that is today's America.



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queenmargo

The above words come from the Trump and Bannon and Trump's supporters support and look forward to this. Need proof? Read/listen to their words, they support the chaos that is today's America.

NO, we do not support liberals.

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Current Resident(z4 WI)

At some point these people of integrity need to stay and stand up and do their jobs instead of leaving and returning to cushy private life. Sorry but sometimes history calls upon us to do things we might not really want to do.

Maybe Im missing something.... I do know that so-called "resigning" is a euphemism, a polite upper-middle class way of saying you're fired.

Meanwhile many other ever increasing vacancies throughout govt remain unfilled - incl Federal Election Commission which enforces campaign finance laws which is now essentially shut down due to unfilled vacancies. Oh well. Im sure the barn flies buzzing around here will have a good reason why campaign finance laws should not be enforced.

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Nana H

I just wish all the people who leave the Administration would speak up. I understand silence while working there but after you leave, active military excepted, they shoud tell the people what they know.

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queenmargo

I just wish all the people who leave the Administration would speak up.

You want them to incriminate themselves?

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Nana H

I' m not to concerned about that for people like McMaster, Kelly, Bolton etc. Mind you there are those like Sessions who may be complicit in enabling Trump's bad acts....they may want to stay zipped.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

I just wish all the people who leave the Administration would speak up.

Me too, but the threat of vindictive revenge from trump is a deterrent for sure. They have families to worry about. Land of the free? maga?

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Nana H

Good point........what is happening is very worrisome both within the Administration and GOP.

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barncatz

Frankly, I listened to Lev Parnas with only half an ear when he said that we should all be afraid of Bill Barr because the power to jail a President's enemies or to overrule a jury verdict that a President's crony committed a crime requiring a jail sentence was unfettered power and corruption. I thought, this is America. But yesterday proved him right and we should all be fighting back. Call your Senators!

Using a state's awesome power to investigate, to jail or to not jail, is sheer corruption. I don't understand why the media coverage of this is so meh.

These Roger Stone actions by Trump conclusively prove his Ukraine actions were exactly what the Dept of State witnesses said they were: Trump pressuring the state of Ukraine to manipulate a citizen's freedom from or being subject to criminal prosecution for political reasons. He's doing it again folks!

The prosecutors were trying to get attention with what is a shocking en masse resignation. Please call your Senators and protest this Trump/Barr action.

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barncatz

S#&t just got really real with this. Stone was tried by a jury of his peers. Trump doesn't have the courage to pardon Stone, so he's having Barr override that verdict. I don't see where the end point is when the political branch overrides the justice branch.

I've read this a million times and thought not in America.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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dandyfopp

There is no end point... but it upsets you.

So it is a win.

The president is above the law and uses the AG to intimidate and investigate his political enemies and protect cronies.

Is there a thought about what this means for the country, where this goes in the future or in the hands of the opposing side? No.

It is a slow suicide.







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haydayhayday

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."


First they came for the billionaires' money and I did not speak out

Heck, I wanted some of it, too.

Then they came for the millionaires money, and I did not speak out

Because I still only had a few thousand.

Then they came for my neighbors money, and I did not speak out

I didn't like him anyhow and besides.

Then they came for me. And I wondered how that could have happened.

Hay


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haydayhayday

"The money has to come from somewhere and I'm tired of footing the bill for their joy."

That's a joke? The rich pay a whole lot more than you. They also produce a whole lot more than you.

This "money" that you're so envious of is tied up mostly in investments. Things like factories.

You want to tear them down for firewood.

Hay

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haydayhayday

Bernie Sanders, who wants to completely overhaul our economic system....

Never produced a single worthwhile thing in his entire life.

Talk, talk, talk.

"Free this, free that, free everything."

Enough of that talk and no one produces anything at all.

That's your leader.

He'll lead us down the same road as his much esteemed Russian Communist friends.

He's preached that his whole life.


That's Bernie.

That's the future for you.

Expect a little push back.

Hay

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zmith

haydayhayday:

"The money has to come from somewhere and I'm tired of footing the bill for their joy."

This "money" that you're so envious of is tied up mostly in investments. Things like factories.

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That may be some of it, but the majority of the tax cut money is used for stock repurchases and executive bonuses which further the divide between the top 1% and the rest of us.

Anyhow, if the economy and unemployment rate are so awesome, why the need for a tax cut?

ETA this is way OT. Sorry, Annie!

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queenmargo

Bernie- the new "Great Old White Communist Hope"...

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haydayhayday

"That may be some of it, but the majority of the tax cut money is used for stock repurchases and executive bonuses which further the divide between the top 1% and the rest of us."

One way or the other, this money is highly unlikely to end up under some rich man's mattress.

Rich people, generally speaking, invest their hard earned money.

You want to focus on how little you have in comparison? Then you'll never be happy until you tear it all down.

Hay

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haydayhayday

Because,


"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

has, historically, been so successful.


Hay

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adoptedbyhounds

"ABH, the question is "Which people of integrity are still in positions of power within the government?"

Your question is whatever you want it to be.

My question is based on a vague claim in the OP. We're told people are "leaving" the administration. But in reading the article, it's not clear to me that any of the prosecutors have left government. Going from one department to another isn't leaving.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

In the meantime, have we forgotten about the shocking "Tuesday Afternoon Massacre"?

Kate

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

ABH--quit worrying yourself about minor details--like whether or not you approve of the verb used in another poster's heading. That's not the issue here.

Here is a little more info., which anyone could have found within a few seconds--if they really wanted to know more about what was going on.

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"Aaron Zelinsky, an ex-member of former special counsel Robert Mueller’s team, stepped down from his special assignment to the Stone case. Prosecutors Adam Jed and Michael Marando also withdrew from the matter. One lawyer, Jonathan Kravis, announced his resignation as an assistant U.S. attorney, leaving his government post entirely.

None commented publicly after their withdrawal, but the move was widely seen as a protest in response to what legal experts said was a damning rebuke of the career prosecutors who had secured Stone’s conviction on all seven of the federal counts he faced.

[. . .]

Prosecutors recommended in a Monday filing that Stone serve between seven and nine years in prison in accordance with federal guidelines.

[. . .]

In its new filing Tuesday, DOJ said Stone’s crimes do warrant a prison sentence, but that the seven to nine years recommended a day before “would not be appropriate or serve the interests of justice in this case.”

The DOJ’s shifting position raised new questions about whether political interference played a role, and renewed concerns about the nature of Attorney General William Barr’s relationship with the Trump White House.

[. . .]

The reaction from Democrats on Tuesday was swift. . . .

“I do not take a position on the proper prison term for Mr. Stone, but it would be a blatant abuse of power if President Trump has in fact intervened to reverse the recommendations of career prosecutors at the Department of Justice,” [Dem. Rep.] Schiff said. “Doing so would send an unmistakable message that President Trump will protect those who lie to Congress to cover up his own misconduct, and that the Attorney General will join him in that effort.”

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, also criticized the decision and said his panel “will get to the bottom of this.”

Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) on Tuesday called on the Justice Department inspector general to launch a formal investigation into the reduced sentencing recommendation.

[. . .]

Outside groups are also demanding answers. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and Restore Public Trust are requesting DOJ documents related to Stone’s case.

[. . .]

Legal experts said the DOJ’s decision to backtrack on its initial recommendation a day later was highly unusual, especially given the first request fell within federal guidelines.

“Usually, DOJ will have internal discussions to decide its position in a case and then speak publicly with one voice,” said Barbara McQuade, a professor at the University of Michigan Law School and former federal prosecutor. “I have never seen a prosecutor file a brief recommending a sentence and then changing that recommendation without some change in circumstance.”

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/482655-doj-lawyers-resign-en-masse-over-roger-stone-sentencing

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I "bolded" several statements above that focus on the larger issues involved

Kate

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adoptedbyhounds

"ABH--quit worrying yourself about minor details--like whether or not you approve of the verb used in another poster's heading. That's not the issue here."

Good heavens, Kate. No one needs my "approval" to use whatever verb they like, nor have I suggested otherwise.

By the same token, neither I nor anyone else needs your approval to ask for clarification when an article, and the heading appear to be in conflict.

It's OK not to understand, and it's OK to ask for help.

I'm guessing your students were encouraged to improve their own writing, rather than faulting the reader for seeking clarification.

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Annie Deighnaugh

the Dems give themselves away... - they do indeed intend chaos.

Nonsense. It's trump and his cadre who have pushed the boundaries, undermined the rule of law, brought corruption to a level unseen before in any presidency and are trying to normalize things that under any other president would have so shocked the conscience as to warrant removal from office.

It is trump&co who intend chaos with the help of his mentor putin...from shredding trade agreements for no good reason, to picking fights with peaceful allies and neighbors, to making nice and saluting dictators around the world and giving away technology and secrets to those who neither can be trusted with them nor deserve them.

What you call chaos by the dems is simply their struggle to stop the denigration of the rule of law in the face of a complicit gop-led senate.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

ABH--it was obvious that the early surprise reports about what happened were a bit vague about some of the details until more info. came out later. The OP, rather carelessly, picked a verb that she assumed covered what the earlier reports were talking about. No big deal--unless someone tries to make "a federal case out of it" (as my kids used to say) through repeated questionings--as though it were a crucial issue rather than a careless word choice.

Just more poke, poke, prod, prod!

If you still haven't figured it out (and I know you are intelligent enough to do it --if you choose to), one prosecutor resigned, leaving his govt. post entirely--according to the source I quote above.

See--that was quite easy to find out. I didn't even need to harass Annie to get that information. Took me about 3 seconds to google it.

And from my same source, here is the issue that matters:

"None [of the 4 prosecutors] commented publicly after their withdrawal, but the move was widely seen as a protest in response to what legal experts said was a damning rebuke of the career prosecutors who had secured Stone’s conviction on all seven of the federal counts he faced."

Kate

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Nana H

Republican heads positively exploded when AG Lynch had a 30 minute chat with Bill Clinton.......something about the absolute impropriety of interfering with impartial justice. That without knowing what the conversion was. In this case it's very clear Trump interfered and Barr acquiesced.

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soupgirl53

Just heard AG Barr has been asked to testify before the House judiciary committee in March and he has agreed to appear. Suspect he'll have a lot of tough questions to answer.

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Kathy

Trump also withdrew his appointment for a US Attorney Jessie Liu. Her appt requires Senate approval. She worked with lawyers on Stone case and Flynn’s case. Even though she had nothing to do with them she was blamed for not getting Stone a lighter sentence. By withdrawing her appt to undersecretary of Treasury she won’t have to appear before the Senate where she would be asked questions about the lawyers. It shows how far reaching Trump will go to cover up.

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soupgirl53

Trump can pardon whomever he wishes but it will not change the fact that several members of his administration were convicted of criminal charges and/or plead guilty to criminal charges. He chose to surround himself with a bunch of slimy characters and history will not treat him or his administration kindly for that. Think Warren G. Harding and Ulysses S. Grant.

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Nana H

As opposed to Trump...spare me lord

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socks(10a)

He's unleashed after the acquittal. What's next?

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Annie Deighnaugh

What's next? He's going to be rigging the election, bigly.

He's already putting a process in place about the ukraine/biden investigation according to barr, and you know darn well he'll turn barr and putin onto whoever is the dem front runner...figure the russians will be back in the DNC and RNC servers and messing with voter registration computers. He's shown, regardless of illegality, that he is seeking foreign help for his election, he's shown a willingness to sell the power of the presidency to the highest bidders, domestic and foreign, and he's shown that he doesn't give a rat's behind about Americans: cutting soc sec, medicare, education, childhood nutrition, clean water, clean air, pre-existing condition protections and so much more.

If any democrat wins in 2020 it will be a miracle as, as stalin used to say, it doesn't matter who's voting but who's counting the votes.

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Joaniepoanie

This is only the beginning for Hair Tritler. Even many Senate Repubs saw this coming and did nothing when they had the chance. We have them to thank for what’s to come.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Liu just resigned and left the trump administration...

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petalique


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lurker111

More corrupt people leave in the face of Trump's integrity.

Fixed it.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

Over 15,000 false or misleading statements

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Wants to Grow

Hi Petalique, That misleading tweet is an excellent representation of the twisted propaganda being spoon fed to the mindless who seem unable to think logically.

Roger Stone has been convicted for process crimes, such as lying to congress about his interactions with Wikileaks, impeding a congressional investigation and witness tampering with his intermediary to Julian Assange. These crimes had nothing to do with President Trump.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,maifleur,others(8a)

Hi wants to grow, mind popping over to the thread about roger stones jury foreperson and repeating this: “ These crimes had nothing to do with President Trump.”

TIA

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