DoJ challenging sanctuary policies/politicians in court

adoptedbyhounds

For years irresponsible politicians have arranged to provide "sanctuary" for criminal illegal aliens, refusing to turn them over to federal immigration authorities. The legality of that practice is going to be challenged in a couple of DoJ lawsuits. Thank you AG Barr.



FTA: Attorney General William Barr announced lawsuits by the Justice Department (DOJ) on Monday against politicians in the sanctuary state of New Jersey and the sanctuary county of King County, Washington — blasting such policies as “neither lawful nor sensible.”


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/10/watch-attorney-general-barr-files-lawsuits-against-sanctuary-politicians-in-new-jersey-washington/

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margaritadina

It's about time.

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Iris GW

Feds have powers over states? Is that what you're implying? If not, please be more clear on how feds get to dictate to states in this regard.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

your beloved illegal aliens rapists, child molesters and murderers that Dems are so desperately trying to keep and protect.

^^^^An absolutely false statement!

Dems object to local law enforcement having to perform the duty of federal agents, with monies coming from local budgets instead of from the feds.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Nancy states the real problem succinctly. Feds refuse to reimburse the locals for carrying out fed. duties--so locals are refusing to engage in unpaid fed. enforcement work.

That is what the "sanctuary" disagreement is about.

Kate

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catspa_zone9sunset14

And, if the feds got off their lazy behinds, actually obeyed the law, and obtained warrants for the people they wanted, instead of trying to pass off "detainers" as legal documents, they wouldn't have this problem.

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margaritadina

''The DOJ has now filed a federal complaint
against the State of New Jersey seeking declaratory and injunctive
relief

"against its laws that forbid state and local law enforcement
from sharing vital information about criminal aliens with DHS," Barr
said.''

It's not lazy behinds, it's not warrants that are obsolete because illegals are let out BEFORE agents show up with the warrant, it's not about money at all. It's about liberals protecting illegal aliens criminals.


''Additionally, "we are filing a complaint seeking declaratory and injunctive relief against King County, Washington, for the policy ... that forbids DHS from deporting aliens from the United States using King County International Airport," Barr said.''

How about this on?



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adoptedbyhounds

"Feds have powers over states? Is that what you're implying?"

Not "implying" anything. It's in the Constitution. Now would be a good time to read up on the "Supremacy Clause."

"Dems object to local law enforcement having to perform the duty of federal agents, with monies coming from local budgets instead of from the feds."

We'll see how well that nonsense holds up in court. Dems don't mind taxing citizens to meet the needs of illegal aliens, but they aren't willing to spend money to protect their own communities. Good luck with that argument.

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margaritadina

/\/\ nailed it.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Dems don't mind taxing citizens to meet the needs of illegal aliens, but they aren't willing to spend money to protect their own communities.

Using our local law enforcement budget to protect our communities is precisely why we don't want to spend state/county tax dollars on duties that should be performed by the feds -- with their own funds.

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lurker111

Nonsense.

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catspa_zone9sunset14

It's not lazy behinds, it's not warrants that are obsolete because illegals are let out BEFORE agents show up with the warrant, it's not about money at all.

It is unconstitutional to hold a person beyond their legally prescribed release date, for any reason, and immigration enforcement is entirely a federal responsibility, according to that same Constitution. If the federal government wants to give immigration enforcement a higher priority, they need to allocate sufficient federal resources to that end.

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lurker111

Most of the country doesn't have any problems with it, but they don't invite illegals to their cities and give them sanctuary from the law.

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Stan Areted

MAGA!

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ubro(2a)

The DOJ and Barr are not beacons of truth or morality anymore, Barr abdicated any respect with his interference in the Stone case. Reports this morning on my news are not flattering to the integrity of the DOJ.

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Mimou-GW

As to King County-

Though ICE can technically take off and land, flights need a company to open gates, to provide stairs to get passengers on and off planes, and to offer fuel. There isn’t currently a fixed base operator willing to contract with ICE.

The county did put pressure on the operators. However Modern Aviation took this step on its own, the county still intends to negotiate new leases (the pressure).

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lurker111

Barr abdicated any respect with his interference in the Stone case.
Reports this morning on my news are not flattering to the integrity of
the DOJ.

Barr is doing his job and demanding fair and equal treatment under the law. Crats get 2 months and Stone gets 9 years. That's cruel and unusual punishment, and unconstitutional.

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adoptedbyhounds

"It is unconstitutional to hold a person beyond their legally prescribed release date, for any reason, and immigration enforcement is entirely a federal responsibility, according to that same Constitution."

There are multiple opinions on how to interpret what the Constitution says, and what the law says. If your argument above is valid, the defendants will make it in court.

AG Barr's decision to take state and local "interpreters" of immigration law to federal court will help provide clarity for all of us.

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margaritadina

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catspa_zone9sunset14

It's
not lazy behinds, it's not warrants that are obsolete because illegals
are let out BEFORE agents show up with the warrant, it's not about money
at all.

It is unconstitutional to hold a person beyond their legally
prescribed release date, for any reason, and immigration enforcement is
entirely a federal responsibility, according to that same Constitution.
If the federal government wants to give immigration enforcement a
higher priority, they need to allocate sufficient federal resources to
that end.''

Trying hard, aren't you?

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Ziemia(6a)

The Trump supporters here think it's about protecting the undocumented.

That's maybe a logical and even expected "first glance" conclusion.

It's really about defeating the various "codes of silence" existing because many community members fear talking to the police for any reason.

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patriciae_gw(07)

How about realizing it is about protecting YOUR rights. Illegals have all the same rights of due process that citizens have. When you take those rights from them YOU are next on the list to lose yours. There is no reason for the Federal Government to short the system and ignore rights. If you think this is a good idea things are going to get very iffy in this country.

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adoptedbyhounds

"The Trump supporters here think it's about protecting the undocumented."

Yep. Sanctuary is a place of refuge.

"It's really about defeating the various "codes of silence" existing because many community members fear talking to the police for any reason."

Nope.

Not the way it works. When community leaders single out illegal alien criminals for refuge they reinforce criminals' ability to remain in the community and beyond the reach of the law. Where did you get the idea Increasing the number of criminals in a community is a way to break a code of silence? How would that work? With the criminal still there, and in no danger of being turned over to ICE, the community members, and the local police are in more danger.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Trying hard, aren't you?

No need to try when a case was won by a plaintiff who had been held beyond their legally prescribed release date. The law enforcement agency -- in Oregon iirc -- also had to fork over a chunk of change for the illegal detention.

Why should local law enforcement agencies have to incur financial liabilities because the feds can't get their act together?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

When community leaders single out illegal alien criminals for refuge they reinforce criminals' ability to remain in the community

This is not how the sanctuary law works.

First, in Los Angeles it was the LAPD who initiated the don't-ask policy regarding the legal status of immigrants who are not committing a crime. LAPD wanted, and still wants, the immigrant communities to feel safe to report crimes to law enforcement, and not fear that they will be turned over to the feds.

Second, if an immigrant commits a *serious* crime, their legal status is checked; the feds are notified if they are undocumented.

*

This is not the first time -- or second or third -- that the sanctuary law has been explained. Somehow the explanation never seems to be taken seriously.

No one -- not community leaders, nor politicians, nor the police wants someone accused of a serious crime/found guilty of a serious crime free on the streets.

The problem is that too many xenophobes believe that an undocumented immigrant is a dangerous criminal merely for being in the US.

Mexico is not sending us their best . . . and then the litany of crimes that a small percentage are committing. Something akin to the label "deplorable" when all are clearly not.


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catkinZ8a

AG Barr's testifying next week--cool!

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elvis

I'm looking forward to that.

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catspa_zone9sunset14

Trying hard, aren't you?

I find your response discourteous at best, margaritadina, but refer you anyway to the case mentioned above by nancy-in-venice. Here is a source that has links to multiple related cases: Miranda Olivares vs Clackamas Co.

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margaritadina

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patriciae_gw(07) How
about realizing it is about protecting YOUR rights. Illegals have all
the same rights of due process that citizens have. When you take those
rights from them YOU are next on the list to lose yours.

''

This is very good point, patriciae.

But you failed. And here is why.

When the JUDGE lets out an illegal alien through the back door of her court room to keep him from been arrested by ICE agents waiting for him in the hallway of the courthouse, all your ''protecting YOUR rights'' goes to hell right there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/us/judge-shelley-joseph-indicted.html

MY right to live in a safer society been violated.

From the article:''Prosecutors said the immigrant was arrested by Newton Police on March30, 2018, and charged with drug possession and being a fugitive from
Pennsylvania. A national law enforcement database matched his fingerprints with
someone who was deported from the United States twice, in 2003 and 2007,
and subsequently banned from the country until 2027. ''

MY right to have a JUDGE who doesn't break the law of the land is been violated.

From the article: ''According to the indictment, the judge instructed the clerk to tell the
officer to leave the courtroom and wait outside. He was told the man
would leave through the lobby if he were released.''


There is no need to hold an illegal alien in custody longer than the law allows IF ICE is notified in advance given enough time to obtain a court order for an arrest. And it's NOT been done. And this is a violation of MY rights.

You guys can protect the illegal aliens criminals all you want but there is a new sheriff in town, libs are done playing with the law.



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Ziemia(6a)

The description given above by ABH on how "sanctuary" works isn't accurate for most locations with some sort of these laws or policies. Maybe accurate about none.

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Ziemia(6a)

"Codes of Silence" punish all but the violent perpetrators. One example.

“No One Saw a Thing,” a six-part immersion in rural Missouri and the notorious 1981 vigilante killing of Ken Rex McElroy.

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Ziemia(6a)

For decades, Whitey Bulger ruled as South Boston’s version of a supreme godfather. You needed shoes for your kid? Whitey took care of it. Trouble with the Boston Housing Authority, manager of the neighborhood’s numerous housing projects? Whitey took care of it. Some guy roughed up your daughter? Whitey took care of him, better believe it.

“You had a husband giving a wife a hard time, that’s the stuff you went to him for,”

1999

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-sep-21-mn-12703-story.html

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margaritadina

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Ziemia(6a)

"Codes of Silence" punish all but the violent perpetrators. One example.

“No One Saw a Thing,” a six-part immersion in rural Missouri and the notorious 1981 vigilante killing of Ken Rex McElroy.

''

The violent perpetrator was actually punished in this case.


Zielma, are you saying that citizens have to take matters in their own hands when authorities FAIL to protect them from criminals ???? Because Ken Rex was a ''notoriously brutal town bully''.

''

The story of Ken Rex McElroy began on June 1, 1934. He dropped out of
school before he reached high school, and by 13 was already a familiar
character to the cops around Nodaway County.

His lifelong career
as a criminal started with petty offenses, but he increasingly became
more violent, amassing a rap sheet that included nearly two dozen felony
charges

for assault,

child molestation,

statutory rape,

arson,

burglary,

grain theft,

and hog and cattle rustling .

McElroy for the most part ******escaped prosecution***** and, certainly, conviction
for various crimes. Then, on the night of July 8, 1980, McElroy shot
70-year-old Skidmore grocer Ernst "Bo" Bowenkamp, unwittingly setting up
his own murder a year later.

Everyone in town seemed to know McElroy had done it, yet *****he spent
only a single night in jail for nearly killing the man******. No one was
surprised. McElroy four years earlier had pumped a couple of rounds of
buckshot into the stomach of local farmer Romaine Henry as he tried to
run the blackguard off his land.

******He got away with it, too******

"It was not the kind of justice they should've gotten," 60-year-old
Joyce Monte, the Bowenkamps' daughter, told Patch in a telephone
interview from her home in Oklahoma. "We stood up and did the right
thing. We went to the police. We went to the courts.

"We went
everywhere we could, but justice would stay delicately out the way," she
said. "Looking back, the justice system had as much to do with killing
Ken McElroy as anyone in Skidmore did."

.

''

https://patch.com/us/across-america/who-killed-ken-rex-mcelroy-town-keeps-its-secret-38-years

''We went to the police. We went to the courts. He got away with it'' are the key words. Authorities FAILED to protect law abiding citizens.

You drew the direct link between the failure of justice for Rex victims and citizens taking matters in their own hands as a result of it.


And we discuss the failure of the law in the sanctuary cities. Oh-oh. Bad gal.


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adoptedbyhounds

When community leaders single out illegal alien criminals for refuge they reinforce criminals' ability to remain in the community and beyond the reach of the law.

"This is not how the sanctuary law works."

If that's the case, get those laws off the books.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

California will keep its sanctuary laws, thank you very much.

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adoptedbyhounds

"California will keep its sanctuary laws, thank you very much."

Depends on whether or not it's constitutional for politicians to single out illegal alien criminals for special protection. At least AG Barr is starting the process of finding out, by taking politicians to court. Helping the feds enforce federal immigration law may not be optional.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Depends on whether or not it's constitutional for politicians to single out illegal alien criminals for special protection.

That's not what is happening in Los Angeles -- not an issue of protection.

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margaritadina

/\/\ that is exactly the issue, the special protection for illegal aliens criminals.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

There are no special protections for undocumented criminals.

After arrest for a serious crime, law enforcement checks the immigration status of the person. If undocumented, the Feds are notified.

What the LAPD does not do — and has not done since the 1970s — is make random stops to check immigration status of residents, or question the immigration status of those not committing a felony.

Once again, no one wants felons on the streets; not LAPD, not the mayor, not community activists, not other residents.

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margaritadina

/\/\ nancy, please, take a break from misinforming us. A 92 year old was just brutally raped and killed by 21 yo illegal alien thug ( assault and weapon charges) who was let out to prey on public in NY.

She supposed to die in her own bed and not from a rape, broken spine, rib fractures and bruising on her chest and neck, among other injuries.


''“New York City’s sanctuary policies continue to threaten the safety of
all residents of the five boroughs, as they repeatedly protect criminal
aliens who show little regard for the laws of this nation. In New York
City alone,

hundreds of arrestees are released each month with pending
charges and/or convictions to return back into the communities where
they committed their crimes,

instead of being transferred into the
custody of ICE. Clearly the politicians care more about criminal illegal
aliens than the citizens they are elected to serve and protect.”''

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-lodges-detainer-against-guyanese-national-arrested-murder-92-year-old-new-york


Clearly, it's not just Liberal politicians, liberals in general sided with illegal aliens criminals. Remember this thread when Trump wins 2020.


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margaritadina

I hope Barr will allow victims/families of illegal aliens sue a crap out of the sanctuary cities.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

nancy, please, take a break from misinforming us.

I will continue to correct misinformation being circulated about California's law and Los Angeles' sanctuary policy.

Too bad that information regarding California and Los Angeles is so easily dismissed in favor of preconceived and erroneous ideas.

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Del Phinium

This is what "immigration" looks like:

This is an "invasion":

See the difference?

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Ziemia(6a)

margaritadina - you do not yet understand how Codes of Silence work - they always diminish a community and make it less safe for everyone. Except for the gang leadership.

(Until you do understand, you will not understand the bigger safety issue surrounding US immigration policy.)

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adoptedbyhounds

Zemia, A code of silence needs an enforcer. Police cannot build trust in a community by protecting the criminals who enforce those codes.

You are repeating a familiar narrative that makes no sense. People are NOT safer when illegal alien criminals are allowed to remain free in the United States. They do not have permission to be here. They are known criminals, whose just removal is being obstructed by rogue officials. At last, they, the officials obstructing justice, are going to have some explaining to do. In court.


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Ziemia(6a)

ABH - thing is, statistics doesn't back up your implication that our greatest threat comes from all the undocumented neighbors. The vast majority of them do not commit local crimes. And like us they make great crime reporters and witnesses.

Your premise is based on the assumption that those without permission to be here are those committing crimes per city and state laws.

Your premise is based on the notion that simply breaking immigration law creates more personal danger than breaking other laws such as by A&B and theft & worse.

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Ziemia(6a)

Finding and collecting everyone whose sole offense is breaking immigration law would take an enormous police force - which means more expenditures than present. And why the feds keep trying to trick local law enforcement into doing the work of the feds. Which means they are diverting efforts from those who present a real danger.

And undocumented folks who do major crimes are not protected from ICE. (then there's the argument that the worst thing to do with a violent person is to send them to a country that won't incarcerate them for long.)

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margaritadina

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Ziemia(6a)

margaritadina
- you do not yet understand how Codes of Silence work - they always
diminish a community and make it less safe for everyone. Except for the
gang leadership.''

Oh, sure I do! You picked and example of a criminal terrorizing the whole town for decades and been repeatedly released into his community, and the failure of authorities to protect people.

This is exactly how libs create a code of silence - by releasing criminal illegal aliens back into their communities.

''

(Until you do understand, you will not understand the bigger safety issue surrounding US immigration policy.)

''

You are telling ME about the US immigration policy ??? I was tumbled in it for <> a decade before I came here and 8 years living here. Have you?

I can tell you with a full responsibility for my words, that no legal immigrant community in the US has a code of silence. There is not such a thing as a ''safety issue surrounding US immigration policy'' because every single person is VETTED before they step a foot on the US soil. It's an illegal immigrants communities that are infested with criminals.


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margaritadina

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Ziemia(6a)

And undocumented folks who do major crimes are not protected from
ICE. (then there's the argument that the worst thing to do with a
violent person is to send them to a country that won't incarcerate them
for long.)

''

Better leave him here - as it's been done - so he gets out of jail and rapes, and breaks the spine of a 92 yo cat lady. Got it.

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