FBI Makes a Bizarre Claim About Pro-Choice Terrorism

dublinbay z6 (KS)

What the heck? Abortion rights supporters rarely or never commit violence, but the FBI labels them as "domestic terrorists" anyway?

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"In testimony before the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, FBI Director Christopher Wray disclosed that the bureau has recently “changed our terminology as part of a broader reorganization of the way in which we categorize our domestic terrorism efforts.”. . .

Among four broad categories of domestic terrorism that the FBI confronts, Wray said, is “abortion violent extremism.”

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His questioner, Rep. Karen Bass (D-CA), was puzzled at Wray’s seeming equivalence: “People on either side of that issue don't commit violence.” In fact, the FBI pointed . . . to just one episode of pro-choice-inspired terrorism—one that did not involve an actual act of violence, but rather a threat in an online comments section.

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. . . an earlier FBI training document obtained by the ACLU in 2012 referenced pro-choice violence but did not “provide a single example of violence against abortion opponents,” the ACLU wrote.

. . . The primary case of pro-choice violent extremism that the FBI pointed The Daily Beast toward—the same one cited in the 2017 FBI document—is the 2012 conviction of Theodore Schulman, who had a long history of threatening anti-abortion activists.

Schulman’s ultimate downfall was the result of posting a threat in the comments section of religious conservative outlet First Things: “if Roeder is acquitted, someone will respond by killing” Princeton’s Robert George and Father Frank Pavone of Priests for Life, he wrote. That itself spoke to the discrepancy in violence between the two sides. “Roeder” was a reference to Scott Roeder, who murdered abortion provider George Tiller in the foyer of a Wichita church in 2009.

Other instances of anti-abortion violence include a trio of bombings at Florida abortion clinics in 1985, a string of arson attacks on a Washington clinic in 1983, and a 2015 shooting at a Colorado Planned Parenthood that killed three. Between 1993 and today, anti-abortion activists murdered 11 people and attempted to kill another 26, according to the National Abortion Federation.

. . . NAF President Katherine Ragsdale told The Daily Beast [that] Wray’s comments . . . are a “danger to public perception.”

“It tars everyone with the same brush when in fact pro-choice folks simply are not doing this,” she said."


https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-makes-bizarre-claim-pro-015547329.html

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The pro-choice side of the abortion debate has been exceptionally non-violent, whereas the anti-choice side has been responsible for a number of violent actions against abortion clinics and personnel.

Why the sudden need for the FBI to classify pro-choice supporters as violent "terrorists" when there is no evidence of them committing violent acts against the anti-choicers?


Kate

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Kathy

Barr. His religious extremism.

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Joaniepoanie

Bingo!

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JodiK

I believe that to be only one small point, Joanie. The bigger picture shows an "us vs. them" mentality invading all alphabet soup and other LE agencies, whereby a different set of laws and rules can be applied to anyone labeled as a "domestic terrorist" or group therein. And they are grouping and labeling us, without just cause, and without evidence to back up their claims.

The erosion of our basic Constitutional rights, among other things, couldn't be more obvious.


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woodnymph2_gw

The new twisted thinking, a la Trump: "some very good people on both sides...."

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Ziemia(6a)

"Why the sudden need for the FBI to classify pro-choice supporters as violent "terrorists" when there is no evidence of them committing violent acts against the anti-choicers?"

Because Freedom Caucus noise.

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leona_2008

When your integrity is for sale, it wasn't worth much to begin with.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

His questioner, Rep. Karen Bass (D-CA), was puzzled at Wray’s seeming equivalence: “People on either side of that issue don't commit violence.”

Good response, Karen.

Cheers for our the local congresswoman who will likely become a target just as her colleague Maxine is.

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hamamelis

A couple years ago the feds' summary of orientation of domestic terrorists was this:

94% non-Muslim RW (Timothy McVeigh)
4% Muslim (The Tsarnaev Boston bombings brothers)
2% non-Muslim LW (?)

The site I saw this very memorable little bit on did not discuss RW and LW in terms of conservative and liberal personalities and orientations. Bowever, we know RW terrorists are going to be conservative. Reading about LW extremists shows that they have a great deal in common with their RW counterparts, at least as much as they have with the non-extremist liberals both they and RW extremists despise and sometimes unite against. Both sides try to woo each others' followers.


But apparently either LW groups have almost no tendency to violent extrermist acts or those inclined join RW terrorist groups. Or both.

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arcy_gw

What part of KILLING MILLIONS of babies isn't VIOLENCE? Do you truly not comprehend the heinous torture these little ones are being put through in the name of "choice", convenience, can't be bothered!! Ya'll really need to get yourselves educated.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

KILLING MILLIONS of babies . . .

is infanticide, and a serious crime.

I am unaware of a crime wave involving infanticide. Source?


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Del Phinium

"I am unaware of a crime wave involving infanticide. Source?"

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/abortion-access

You're welcome.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

No evidence of infanticide provided, Del.

So where are the indictments for the alleged killing of millions of babies?

Infanticide is a crime, and should be prosecuted.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

The "abortion violent extremism" the FBI is concerned about is clearly NOT about abortions. It is about pro-choice adults (clearly "born" "persons") supposedly shooting abortion opponents--even though that never or rarely happens.

On the other hand, as the OP also makes clear, there are plenty of examples of anti-abortion violence: "Other instances of anti-abortion violence include a trio of bombings at Florida abortion clinics in 1985, a string of arson attacks on a Washington clinic in 1983, and a 2015 shooting at a Colorado Planned Parenthood that killed three. Between 1993 and today, anti-abortion activists murdered 11 people and attempted to kill another 26. . . ."

Add to that list the shocking murder of Wichita's Dr. Tiller in the middle of a church service.

Those are all extreme acts of violence performed by so-called "pro-lifers" against pro-choicers.

Methinks the FBI is looking in the wrong place.

Kate

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Izzy Mn(4)

Agree Kate.

Not that long ago the Pro-life (anti-choice) were bombing, burning and vandalizing clinics. Threats to doctors and personnel 9f clinics. A doctor was even assassinated by a pro-lifer. I don't recall of any ProChoice advocates burning down anti-choice offices or killing them.


https://rewire.news/article/2019/05/31/the-escalation-of-anti-abortion-violence-ten-years-after-dr-george-tillers-murder/

Whose the terrorist?

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Izzy Mn(4)

CBS

Report on increased violence against abortion clinics from 2018 to 2019.

[https://youtu.be/QjsDIoyTX_0(https://youtu.be/QjsDIoyTX_0)

I don't see any reports on violence instigated by Pro-choice. Except for one person, two threats, and he was not affiliated with the pro choice group.

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