This is a very interesting opinion piece about feeling the Bern

Ann

If anyone else finds this interesting, do you want to talk about the various points in this piece? I'd like to hear and discuss varying opinions.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/02/06/democrats_feel_the_bern_for_insiders_its_heartburn.html?utm_campaign=ora_player&utm_medium=ora-video-widget&utm_source=polls

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numbersjunkie

Sorry. Didn't read it. Clicked on the link and a Trump pop-up ad appeared blocking the text. Not interested.

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Izzy Mn(4)

I am sure this thread was started to say nice and supportive things about the Bern. (S)

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cattyles

Trump wants to run against Bernie.

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lakeaffect

Everyone, including Trump, underestimates Bernie at their peril.

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Ann

Lakeaffect, I most certainly don't underestimate Bernie! I currently think Bernie would be the biggest challenge of the group.

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queenmargo

It is sad to think that Bernie is the biggest challenge. Who knew Communism would be popular. SCARY really!

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Ann

The reason I consider Bernie the biggest challenge is solely because of the Bernie enthusiasm. I think that level of enthusiasm is contagious, tough to poll, and can lead to very surprising and positive results. I think his authenticity is impressive and keeps his supporters very strongly dedicated to him. The man does not waver!

Lakeaffect, are you one of Bernie's supporters (if you're willing to answer)? If so, I was hoping some Bernie supporters would enter the thread.

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foodonastump

Skimmed it and didn’t see anything particularly novel. Bernie’s a socialist, the rest of the field weak, God help the Democrats if they don’t rally behind him and he loses, blah blah blah. It’s not entirely untrue but it’s stale.

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Ann

Margo, I also don't like his policies one bit, but I think many Americans (right and left) are sick and tired of same old and want bold ideas and new types of leaders. I think wanting a new type of leader is precisely why Trump generates the enthusiasm he does. I think both Trump and Bernie generate incredible enthusiasm because they are both authentic. Neither is afraid to tell it like they see it.

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Ann

FOAS, it might be stale, all the way back to his run in 2016 - but it's especially real at this particular point in time. Prior to now, people have been able to ponder the possibilities discussed in the article, but now with Biden's suddenly and noticeably struggling campaign and Bernie's serious rise, it's well beyond the pondering stage. It's here and it's real, right now. A huge Bernie Sanders lesson should have been learned in 2016. Now, we'll see what Dems do with that knowledge.

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foodonastump

Yep.

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foodonastump

“No matter who wins this d@mn thing we’re all going to stand together to defeat Trump.”

- Bernie, just now.


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Kathy

Bernie is not Communist. It might be Trump who is the enemy.

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catkinZ8a

I liked this snip, so true--but I think no matter who is selected this will be the case:

He would not only cost Democrats the White House, he would cost them close races for House and Senate seats.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

The beginning of the article:

For several years, this hard-left movement has been gaining support within the party, especially among younger voters.

Baloney -- the so-called hard-left is actually a return to what Democrats used to be.



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Chi

What's hard-left to Republicans is perfectly moderate to most of the rest of the world. Healthcare for citizens, reasonable college costs, less corporate and billionaire friendly tax codes.

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Kathy

Gee, anything that benefits workers is called Hard left? That’s because the GOP is working for the 1%.

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Ann

Chi, I do think Medicare for all is hard-left for America and not for many other (and much smaller, which is important to that conversation) countries.

I strongly disagree with Nancy that the so called hard left is a return to what Democrats used to be!

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althea_gw

An opinion piece opening with a line about the specter of Socialism doesn't interest me at all.

"For several years, this hard-left movement has been gaining support within the party, especially among younger voters.

Baloney -- the so-called hard-left is actually a return to what Democrats used to be."

Nancy is right. Matt Taibi, in his usual succinct and colorful style summed it up in a few paragraphs yesterday.

"Iowa was the real “beginning of the end,” to a story that began in the Eighties.

Following the wipeout 49-state, 512 electoral vote loss of Walter Mondale in 1984, demoralized Democratic Party leaders felt marooned, between the awesome fundraising power of Ronald Reagan Republicans and the irritant liberalism of Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition.

To get out, they sold out. A vanguard of wonks like Al From and Senator Sam Nunn at the Democratic Leadership Council devised a marketing plan: two middle fingers, one in each direction.

They would steal financial support for Republicans by out-whoring them on economic policy. The left would be kneecapped via “triangulation,” i.e. the public reveling in the lack of choices for poor, minority, and liberal voters.

Young pols like Bill Clinton learned they could [.....] constituents and still collect from them. What would they do, vote Republican? Better, the parental scolding of disobedient minorities like Sister Souljah combined with the occasional act of mindless sadism (like the execution of mentally ill Ricky Ray Rector) impressed white “swing” voters, making “triangulation” a huge win-win — more traction in red states, less whining from lefty malcontents.

Democrats went on to systematically [rat-....] every group in their tent: labor, the poor, minorities, soldiers, criminal defendants, students, homeowners, media consumers, environmentalists, civil libertarians, pensioners — everyone but donors.

They didn’t just fail to defend groups, but built monuments to their betrayal. They broke labor’s back with NAFTA, embraced mass incarceration with the 1994 Crime Bill, and ushered in the Clear Channel era with the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Welfare Reform in 1996 was a sellout of the Great Society (but hey, at least Clinton kept the White House that year!). The repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act gave us Too Big to Fail. Shock Therapy was the Peace Corps in reverse. They sold out on Iraq, expanded Dick Cheney’s secret regime of surveillance and assassination, gave Wall Street a walk after 2008, then lost an unlosable election, which they blamed on a conspiracy of leftist intellectuals and Russians.

Still, if you were black, female, gay, an immigrant, a union member, college-educated, had been to Europe, owned a Paul Klee print or knew Miller’s Crossing was a good movie, you owed Democrats your vote. Why? Because they “got things done.”

Now they’re not getting much done, except a lost reputation. That feat at least, they earned. To paraphrase the Joker: What do you get when you cross a political party that’s sold out for decades, with an electorate that’s been abandoned and treated like trash?

Answer: What you [....ing] deserve!"

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/iowa-caucus-democrats-disaster-trump-sanders-949655/

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