Six women of color quit Liz Warren campaign over 'culture' of racism

margaritadina

Six women quit Liz Warren campaign over 'culture' of racism — Warren blames 'legacy' of racism in the US

"...racism and oppression in this country have left a long legacy...."

Presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) was questioned about accusations from six female staffers who left her campaign after accusing it of "tokenism" and other racial insensitivity.

Warren apologized but blamed the "legacy" of racism in the United States for what her former staffers experienced. She made the comments on MSNBC to host Chris L. Hayes.

"There's a story in Politico that I saw you responded to, and I just want to get your response to it here on air, about six women of color that quit your Nevada campaign with complaints of a toxic work environment and tokenism, one of them went on the record. I saw that you responded to that and apologized, what do you want to say in response to learning about that?" Hayes asked.

"You know, I believe these women without any equivocation and I apologize personally that they had a bad experience on the campaign," Warren responded.

"I really work hard to try to build a campaign and a work environment where it's diverse and open and everyone is welcomed and celebrated and gets to bring their whole self to work every day," she said.

"But I'm also very aware that racism and oppression in this country have left a long legacy and it creates the kind of toxicity where people, power structures, people take advantage of other people, it's something for which we have to be constantly vigilant and constantly determined to do better," Warren continued.

"I take responsibility for this and I'm working with my team to address these concerns," she concluded.

Warren came in third in the final, but disputed, results from the Iowa caucuses. Her campaign has put much of its hopes on performing well in New Hampshire.

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https://www.theblaze.com/news/liz-warren-blames-society-for-racism-on-her-campaign

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Toby

An hour ago conservatives didn't want to talk about racism.

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cattyles

The Blaze was founded by Glenn Beck.

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lurker111

Racism is a crat issue. It doesn't fly on Trump's side. We're people, not colors. I have relatives that are Black, Hispanic, White, Korean, German, Hungarian...

Give it up, crats. It will only work on the weak.

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Ziemia(6a)

Heck, 30 minutes ago some didn't want to discuss racism.

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margaritadina

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cattyles

The Blaze was founded by Glenn Beck.
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You are welcome to read the story on CNN https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/06/politics/elizabeth-warren-nevada-team-diversity-left-campaign/index.html


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lurker111

Racism
is a crat issue. It doesn't fly on Trump's side. We're people, not
colors. I have relatives that are Black, Hispanic, White, Korean,
German, Hungarian...

Give it up, crats. It will only work on the weak.

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They have nothing else to offer to people, lurker. Nothing. Zilch.

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war garden

communist and socialist political movements have a history racism.

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Toby

You posted it, margaritadina. There are no comments from you to explain why you thought it was an important story. Did you want to criticize Warren for addressing the accusations? Criticize the women of color who quit her campaign?

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Ziemia(6a)

Where's the admonition to wait for answers that build context? Has this happened in other places? Have many others also left? Reasons?

How diverse is Trump's campaign staff in Nevada?

etc.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

That was a thorough and I’m sure heart-felt apology.

["You know, I believe these women without any equivocation and I apologize personally that they had a bad experience on the campaign," Warren responded.]

Worth noting that it wasn’t a charge of racial insensitivity against Warren personally. It was against the Nevada arm of the campaign that the charges of “toxicity” and “insensitivity” were levied.

If anything, Warren or someone on her team is responsible for a poor hire/s that allowed someone/s who is/are racially insensitive to be retained. I’m willing to guess that problem has been rectified by now or will be as soon as the inquiries are over.

Keep throwing out these nothingberders about Warren please, I’m liking her more and more every day!!

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

Lewis adds that despite her departure from the campaign, she still plans to caucus for Warren later this month in Nevada.

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queenmargo

Keep throwing out these nothingberders about Warren please, I’m liking her more and more every day!!

Now you know how we feel about Trump;)

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Joaniepoanie

Absolutely ridiculous and false to say that racism is a Dem issue.

Charlottesviile——Trumpers with tiki torches—- remember? Trump rhetoric—-Mexicans are rapists, get the Haitians out of here.

Warren is not involved on a daily basis with her campaign headquarters in every city in every state. Clearly this is a local issue that Warren is far removed from as she campaigns around the country. She is not responsible for their management.

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HU-885118952

Warren blamed it on America, mostly. For her part, it's only 1/1064th her fault.

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margaritadina

/\/\/ Aha-ha-ha!! Good one, HU !!!

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margaritadina

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Toby

You
posted it, margaritadina. There are no comments from you to explain why
you thought it was an important story. Did you want to criticize Warren
for addressing the accusations? Criticize the women of color who quit
her campaign?

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I HAVE to explain why I posted this story? Isn't it obvious?

OK, here - it's scandalous when SIX people (men, women, doesn't matter) of color leave (workplace, pres campaign, doesn't matter) due to racism.

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margaritadina

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Joaniepoanie

She is not responsible for their management.''

How many times did we read ''Trump hires illegal aliens"?

You reap what you sow. She is responsible.

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patriciae_gw(07)

And so is Trump and in his case he has actually interacted with many of the illegals his people hire for him and then turns around and labels them criminals.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

I disagree that she is not responsible.

Ultimately she is responsible for what happens in her name.

And I think her words show that she took full responsibility for rectifying the situation even though she did not create it personally. It remains to be seen what her actions show.

This would only put me off her if she denied it, or said “good riddance,” or called them never-warrens, or accused them of being anti-American, or if she doesn’t make the changes that are necessary to prevent it happening again.

As an employer I can’t watch every employee every second. I have to trust that I made good hiring choices and that my employees will uphold the standards that I expect. When they don’t, it’s my responsibility to own my hiring decision and fix the problem but that does not mean I did anything inherently wrong. It doesn’t even mean that the employee who fell short did anything wrong. There could be a lack of training, or a gap in policy, or a human having a bad day, or it could be something more sinister.

How this situation gets resolved will say more about the organization than the fact that it happened. And I think anyone who has had to work within any organization knows this.

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Stan Areted

Culture comes from the top down.

One or two isolated incidents I get.

Not this many at once.



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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

“This many at once” but all from the same group.

If they were staggered and spread out nationwide there would be cause for concern, I agree.

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patriciae_gw(07)

Stan, keep digging. Do I have to keep pointing out that Trump is as responsible as you want Warren to be except she hasn't to our knowledge hired illegals? She hasn't made any racist comment but you cant even begin to say that about Trump as in racism central? He embraces White Nationalism with all that entails. Absorb this truth and get back to us.

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ubro(2a)

Racism is a crat issue. It doesn't fly on Trump's side. We're people, not colors. I have relatives that are Black, Hispanic, White, Korean, German, Hungarian...

I think we established that having minority races in your family does not make you non racist, and I am no way suggesting this applies to you.

Supporting politicians that make racial laws, supporting lawmakers perpetrating racial acts, how you talk about and view the minority races as a whole makes you racist, not who you happen to be related to.

ETA I have relations that have children of mixed First Nation decent, and yet, they support some of the most racial ideas about the First Nation community. They see nothing hypocritical in it at all.

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Toby

Which is it, margaritadina? This:

margaritadina

lurker111

Racism is a crat issue. It doesn't fly on Trump's side. We're people, not
colors.

They have nothing else to offer to people, lurker. Nothing. Zilch.

Or this:

I HAVE to explain why I posted this story? Isn't it obvious?

OK, here - it's scandalous when SIX people (men, women, doesn't
matter) of color leave (workplace, pres campaign, doesn't matter) due
to racism.

Maybe you missed lurker's point. He's saying racism doesn't exist because we're all people, not colors, which you agreed with. Then you turn around and say the alleged racism in Warren's campaign is a problem, and not only that, it's scandalous.

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elvis

Supporting politicians that make racial laws...makes you racist...

I'll bet I'm not the only one here who would like for you to elaborate on that assertion, ubro. Who's making racial laws, and what are those racial laws? I've never even heard the term "racial law" before.

Is this a Canadian term, maybe? It's new to me. What comes to mind for me would be laws that prohibit racism in the form of discrimination based on race. Those would be good laws, no?

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adoptedbyhounds

You posted it, margaritadina. There are no comments from you to explain why

you thought it was an important story.

No personal explanation needed. Accusations of racism are worthy of reporting, whether they are true or not. Investigations follow and we learn from them.

If Warren is the only candidate being accused, that is worthy of reporting.

If workers are making the same accusations about multiple candidates, that is also worthy of reporting.


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Toby

I'm not questioning whether it's worthy of reporting.

Follow her posts to see why I asked what she believes. She posted it without explanation and then agrees with lurker that racism doesn't exist. If so, you'd think she believes that the accusations against Warren's campaign are frivolous. Then she turns around and says the racism that Warren's campaign is accused of is scandalous. Very contradictory.

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adoptedbyhounds

"I'm not questioning whether it's worthy of reporting."

In that case, there's no reason to respond with commentary about the poster who shared it. You already know why the story is important.

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margaritadina

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Toby

Which is it, margaritadina? This:

margaritadina

lurker111

Racism is a crat issue. It doesn't fly on Trump's side. We're people, not
colors.

They have nothing else to offer to people, lurker. Nothing. Zilch.

Or this:

I HAVE to explain why I posted this story? Isn't it obvious?

OK, here - it's scandalous when SIX people (men, women, doesn't
matter) of color leave (workplace, pres campaign, doesn't matter) due
to racism.

Maybe you missed lurker's point. He's saying racism doesn't exist
because we're all people, not colors, which you agreed with. Then you
turn around and say the alleged racism in Warren's campaign is a
problem, and not only that, it's scandalous.

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No, it's not what I said. I said that Dems have nothing to offer to people (I heard nothing so far but ''free stuff for everybody''), except for the racial issues concept.

And what happens next is SIX people leaving the presidential candidate's campaign fighting for the racial justice (remember ''retributions''? ) due to racial issues.

Does it really have to be explained?

No, people, it's not my unclear/unreasonable explanations or the unknown reason for posting this story. It's you who don't want to recognize the fact that Dems are racists.

There is a day and night difference between what Pocahontas says to the public and what's going on behind the closed door at her campaign. And now we know it.

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Toby

Ah, so that's your point. "Dems are racist." So racism does exist.

There is a day and night difference between what Pocahontas says to the
public and what's going on behind the closed door at her campaign. And
now we know it.

Using a Native American's name as a pejorative isn't any different than when the racist judge in Pittsburg used an African American's name to call one of his jurors "Aunt Jemima".

Yep, racism is alive and well in America.

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Stan Areted

TOBY

Follow her posts to see why I asked what she believes. She posted it without explanation and then agrees with lurker that racism doesn't exist. If so, you'd think she believes that the accusations against Warren's campaign are frivolous. Then she turns around and says the racism that Warren's campaign is accused of is scandalous. Very contradictory.


The poster is NOT the topic of conversation, including speculations about posting and criticism of the poster.

That is not news to anyone that reads or posts here.

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Toby

I am not discussing the poster. I'm discussing her OPINION. I want to understand her OPINION of the article she posted. Her comments thus far have seemed contradictory. Am I not allowed to ask for clarification?

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Embothrium(Sunset Climate Zone 5, USDA Hardiness Zone 8)

The poster is NOT the topic of conversation, including speculations about posting and criticism of the poster.

That is not news to anyone that reads or posts here.

And what are you doing with the above statements? (Hence the defensive reaction from Toby, who felt it necessary to explain themselves).

See: that's how it works. The only way to keep the tone here the way it's supposed to be is to never talk about this kind of stuff at all.

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Stan Areted


Embothrium

And what are you doing with the above statements? (Hence the defensive reaction from Toby, who felt it necessary to explain themselves).See: that's how it works. The only way to keep the tone here the way it's supposed to be is to never talk about this kind of stuff at all.



LOL, took the baton and ran with it!

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margaritadina

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Toby


Using a Native American's name as a pejorative isn't any different
than when the racist judge in Pittsburg used an African American's name
to call one of his jurors "Aunt Jemima".

Yep, racism is alive and well in America. ''

Oh, that's interesting. You are calling me ''a racist'' for calling out the thief who got a high position job as a ''first woman of color''? The REAL Pocahontas had a problem with her move, and they had a meeting with her about it. Because she is not one of them by any means.

''Family legends'' don't fly when one gets a job based on ''a family legend''. And in her case ''Pocahontas'' is a seal on her forehead reminding that she is a thief who stole a racial identity from some REAL woman of color.

And she is a Dem party candidate. Nice crowd, racial identity thief with racial issues scandal on her hands and international mafia guy are running for the presidential nominees. Good job, Dems.



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elvis

If so, you'd think she believes that the accusations against Warren's campaign are frivolous.

That's one of the many pitfalls of presuming to mind-read. Ah well.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

“The REAL Pocahontas had a problem with her move, and they had a meeting with her about it.”

The real Pocahontas has been dead for hundreds of years. It seems unlikely she has a take on this. SHE certainly didn’t meet Elizabeth Warren.

Were you actually referring to a group of Native Americans as “Pocahontas?”

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elvis

Could be, lindsey, and if so, I believe it was innocent. That's all I'm gonna say about that. Check out what urban dictionary says:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pocahontas

Top definition. pocahontas. A woman that falsely claims to be native american for monetary (such as registration into a tribe) or political gain but does in fact have not native american ancestry.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

Urban dictionary defines a lot of objectionable terms, and the very pointed and specific definition there lends a bit of suspicion to the source of the meaning, don’t you think?

I’m guessing Webster’s or Oxford don’t define it as such.

ETA funny, your link went to “armchairing.” I hope that was as innocent as margaritadina’s pejorative use of “Pocahontas” ;-)

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elvis

ETA funny, your link went to “armchairing.” I hope that was as innocent as margaritadina’s pejorative use of “Pocahontas” ;-)

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Oh, I see. Fixed it, thanks.

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Toby

The Urban Dictionary definition is after the fact and was obviously defined because of Warren. "Pocahontas" as a pejorative originates with Trump. I would never use it but then I'd never call someone an Uncle Tom or a Guido or a Jose or a Mick when referring to a person of a specific culture or race. Using Pocahontas to mock Warren is no different than using those other names to mock those cultures.

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margaritadina

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,maifleur,others(8a)

“The REAL Pocahontas had a problem with her move, and they had a meeting with her about it.”

The real Pocahontas has been dead for hundreds of years. It seems
unlikely she has a take on this. SHE certainly didn’t meet Elizabeth
Warren.

Were you actually referring to a group of Native Americans as “Pocahontas?”
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Warren had a meeting with the group of Native Americans unhappy with her actions. I was under the impression that these people are descendants of Pocahontas. But it turned out that ALL Native Americans are unhappy with Warren's identity theft.

Thanks for pointing that out, miss lindsey.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

Many Native American groups spoke out about Elizabeth Warren’s use of the term Native American and explained to her why it is inappropriate for her to describe herself as native if she is not a band member. She apologized and they freely forgave her. All this is documented.

The same groups and others have spoken out about Donald Trump’s use of the name “Pocahontas” as a derogatory name. He continues to do so, as do his supporters.

Thanks for admitting your mistake margaritadina, I do appreciate it.

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queenmargo

The same groups and others have spoken out about Donald Trump’s use of the name “Pocahontas” as a derogatory name. He continues to do so, as do his supporters.

Well, how about the derogatory names that the left have used on Trump such as Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini? They continue to do so.

Pocahontas is a compliment compared.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

People draw comparisons between different world leaders and historical leaders. If the comparison isn’t flattering, well...

I don’t recall anyone calling Donald Trump Hitler, Stalin, etc. For example have we seen a tweet that says “Hitler went golfing today lol lazy!”

It should be a compliment to be compared to Pocahontas, I agree. It would be an absolute honour for anyone of any race to be compared favourably to her; she was a strong woman leader.

Is that what Donald meant, that Elizabeth is a strong woman leader?

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queenmargo

I think Donald meant that Elizabeth Warren was trying to be Pocahontas, an Indian woman.

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queenmargo

Pocahontas, is a name most people know and can get a quick visual.

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elvis

I'd never call someone an Uncle Tom or a Guido or a Jose or a Mick when referring to a person of a specific culture or race.

Me neither, Toby.

You mean like calling white people "whitey".

Definition of whitey

offensive

— used as an insulting and contemptuous term for a white person or for white people collectively

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whitey

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Toby

Are they calling Trump Hitler because of his German heritage? No, because that would be wrong.

BTW, both he and his father lied about that German heritage because they wanted to sell NYC apartments to Jews after WWII. They claimed they were Swedish for years. Maybe Trump should have a meeting with the Swedes so they can explain why it was wrong to falsely claim their heritage as his.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)


queenmargo

16 minutes ago

Pocahontas, is a name most people know and can get a quick visual.

———

And that is the crux of the problem with using her name as shorthand to undermine another person.

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queenmargo

Why?

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

Why? I’m going to proceed on the assumption that you’re asking sincerely.

If I had an ancestor who had done amazing things in a time when her gender and her people were not generally allowed to take leadership roles, I would be absolutely heartbroken to hear her name used as a disparagement.

If I was part of a people group who survived an attempted cultural genocide by a specific country only to become part of that country, and the leader of that country then used one of our best known and most highly revered heroes as a slur against his political foe—I would be infuriated.

Elizabeth Warren was asked not to use the term Native American to describe herself, and she acquiesced graciously.

Donald Trump was asked to stop using the name of a Native American hero disparagingly because it is hurting Americans, and he not only refused to stop but he has people all over the country and probably in others too upholding and explaining if not outright defending his use of that term.

I know which person displays values that I share.

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margaritadina

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,maifleur,others(8a)

Is that what Donald meant, that Elizabeth is a strong woman leader?

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No. He meant that she is a racial identity thief. I call her Pocahontas with that same meaning.

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Toby

Maybe Trump should have a meeting with the
Swedes so they can explain why it was wrong to falsely claim their
heritage as his.

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No. Trump had a private business. He didn't steal any business from Swedes by claiming that he is Swedish. He widened his customers pool with this unethical move that was nothing burger at that time. As it is now.

Warren stole the job position specifically designed for a woman of color by falsifying her racial identity.

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margaritadina

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Elizabeth Warren was asked not to use the term Native American to describe herself, and she acquiesced graciously.

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''Graciously'' ??? She was busted. Her DNA came back with laughable 1/1024 result and she had a visit from the group of Native Americans folks. Nothing was ''gracious'' about her quitting calling herself ''a woman of color''. She had an unfolding scandal on her hands.

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patriciae_gw(07)

You might find Warrens DNA laughable but the DNA expert, one of the foremost experts in Native DNA in the world did not. He said her native admix was "significant" Now who are we to believe? You or Dr. Carlos Bustamante?

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Toby

Cite your source that Warren stole a job specifically designated for a woman of color.

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elvis

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Argue all you want, tag-team Margo & Elvis. It is just quite simply unacceptable. You won't find Native Americans lining up to high-5 you for your sensitivity to and appreciation of their cultural heritage, I assure you

kate, I've posted 4X since margaritadina made a reference to Pocahontas. Here they are. Show us where I did what you accuse me of^^^.

elvis

If so, you'd think she believes that the accusations against Warren's campaign are frivolous.

That's one of the many pitfalls of presuming to mind-read. Ah well.

elvis

Could be, lindsey, and if so, I believe it was innocent. That's all I'm gonna say about that. Check out what urban dictionary says:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pocahontas

Top definition. pocahontas. A woman that falsely claims to be native american for monetary (such as registration into a tribe) or political gain but does in fact have not native american ancestry.

elvis

ETA funny, your link went to “armchairing.” I hope that was as innocent as margaritadina’s pejorative use of “Pocahontas” ;-)

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Oh, I see. Fixed it, thanks.

elvis

I'd never call someone an Uncle Tom or a Guido or a Jose or a Mick when referring to a person of a specific culture or race.

Me neither, Toby.

You mean like calling white people "whitey".

Definition of whitey

offensive

— used as an insulting and contemptuous term for a white person or for white people collectively

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whitey

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patriciae_gw(07)

You
might find Warrens DNA laughable but the DNA expert, one of the
foremost experts in Native DNA in the world did not. He said her native
admix was "significant" Now who are we to believe? You or Dr. Carlos
Bustamante? ''

We should both believe the rules for citizenship set by Native Americans.

To be considered a Native American some tribes require 1/4 of native DNA, most 1/16 (one great-great grandparent).

With the result of 1/1024 (1/64? ) Warren was kindly asked to shut up about her being a Native American woman by the group of Native Americans.


Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr insists that she is not Cherokee.

"A DNA test is useless to determine
tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a
person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign
tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and
while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to
an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation.

Using a DNA test to lay claim to any
connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is
inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its
legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and
their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage
is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her
continued claims of tribal heritage."

So, Dr. Carlos
Bustamante can go for a walk at this point.


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Toby

Cite your source that Warren stole a job specifically designated for a woman of color.''

You can pretend all you want that you don't understand what happened, Toby. Facts are hard to beat.

'' The title of the piece, by Laura Padilla, was "Intersectionality and
positionality: Situating women of color in the affirmative action
dialogue."

"There are few women of color who hold important positions in the
academy, Fortune 500 companies, or other prominent fields or
industries," the piece says. "This is not inconsequential. Diversifying
these arenas, in part by adding qualified women of color to their ranks,
remains important for many reaons. For one, there are scant women of
color as role models.


In my three years at Stanford Law School, there
were no professors who were women of color. Harvard Law School hired its
first woman of color, Elizabeth Warren, in 1995."''

https://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/05/fordham-piece-called-warren-harvard-laws-first-woman-of-color-123526

A LAW PROFESSOR wasn't aware of the affirmative action, of course.

Before you say that you don't understand or need an explanation, here:

''affirmative action - (in the context of the allocation of resources or
employment) the practice or policy of favoring individuals belonging to
groups known to have been discriminated against previously.''

Or, before you ask for the explanation why I posted this, or you don't understand something, here: Warren is a racial identity thief and she has a big scandal regarding racism on her hands right now.




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margaritadina

''dublinbay z6 (KS)

You won't find Native Americans lining up to high-5 you
for your sensitivity to and appreciation of their cultural heritage, I
assure you. They are the final judges, not you or me.''

It's not about Native Americans - they have a strong representation and said their word, it's about lying Warren.


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dublinbay z6 (KS)

"Warren stole the job position specifically designed for a woman of color by falsifying her racial identity."

WRONG.

Universities do not "design" or set aside job positions specifically for a woman or a man "of color." Unless you can provide proofs that show otherwise, we must conclude that your statement indicates that you do not understand how universities operate.

Furthermore, Warren did not "steal" a racially set-aside job position--because there is no such thing for her or anyone else to "steal." But even if there were (and, I repeat, there is NOT), the facts remain that Warren sincerely believed she was "part Native American"--so she could NOT lie about her ancestry in order to get a job supposedly reserved for racially minorities (which it was NOT).

Add to that that Warren didn't reveal the information about her supposed Native American heritage until AFTER she received said jobs and awards for teaching recognition. Therefore, simple logic prescribes that such information could NOT be the CAUSE of receiving those job offers.

And add to that that professors on her hiring/promotion committees have positively affirmed that there was no discussion of race or ancestry or tribal heritage in their committee considerations.

And I might add that if those hiring/promotion committees had considered her supposed race or tribal heritage claims, the university department/school would be in trouble with Affirmative Action which forbids consideration of such claims in such situations.

Time to throw out any FALSE CLAIMS about Warren "stealing" a job that somehow belonged (it did NOT) to a racial minority applicant.

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Personally, I suspect that Warren never meant to claim a specific "tribal citizenship" -- but rather her family meant the identification to indicate no more than a distant partial ancestral connection in very general terms. Like me claiming a general Irish ancestry, but no specific "clan" affiliation.

Or maybe not. I'm pretty sure I had some Irish ancestors, according to some family members' claims, but I know nothing about Warren's ancestors, just what certain members of her family have claimed. And I do know how university hiring committees operate, specifically and generally.

Kate

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Tito Milian

This didn’t bode well for Kamala

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Tito Milian

Warren sincerely plagiarized recipes and submitted them as a Cherokee woman

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Toby

Thank you, Kate.

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how2girl

The 6 women who “quit the campaign” are still caucusing for E. Warren. They wouldn’t be doing that if they didn’t believe she’s the best candidate. Somehow that didn’t get a mention.

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Toby

Tito Milian

Warren sincerely plagiarized recipes and submitted them as a Cherokee woman

Not even in the same ballpark as an Eastern European woman plagiarizing our black First Lady's speech, as if she had anything in common with Michelle Obama.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

I just found out, to my surprise, that a recipe for hamburger pie that I've been using for over 40-50 years in my family was, in fact, taken word for word from a published recipe book, and evidently I was the one who wrote it down originally. I had lost track of the recipe some time ago, so I recently asked my adult daughter to send me a copy of her copy of the recipe. Then I recently accidentally discovered the identical recipe online, with source cited, plus a visual of the recipe book. I recognized it as the first recipe book I ever bought (way back when).

No one was "plagiarizing" or trying to falsify origins or anything like that. I probably copied down a recipe--word for word (of course--why would anyone mis-copy it on purpose?) and when the food item was a big success over the years, other family members asked for copies of the recipe--and who knows to whom they also passed on the recipe.

That's the way family traditions work. Don't some of you have families? The family never asked where I originally got that recipe and I never thought to add formal footnotes to family meals proclaiming the source of the meal they just ate--plus after 40 years, I didn't remember the recipe's origin until an accidental "discovery" jogged my memory.

My family probably still doesn't know where that recipe came from--other than from Mom's recipe box.

I'm not surprised that Warren thought she was sharing a recipe passed down in the family. That is how these things work.

Has anyone ever met the creator of a recipe book who did not expect readers to copy down the recipes word for word? That creator certainly would not want another recipe book creator to make money off of the first creator's recipe, but both of them would want readers to like the printed recipes printed in their respective books enough to use them--for NO PROFIT--for family meals.

Kate

ETA: Good point, Toby. Might add, TWICE "plagiarizing our black First Lady's speech" (if I remember correctly).

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Toby

I am enjoying this silly grasping at straws for ways to attack Dem candidates when we could find a new damaging story about Trump for every day he's been in office. Unlike this stuff, those are consequential concerns.

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Toby

Margaritadina's claim is refuted in the Politico story she linked to as proof that Warren took a job meant for a person of color. Additionally, following a link within that story, is this story, which provides a source for what Kate said in her post.

https://www.politico.com/story/2012/05/how-warren-fumbled-first-controversy-075903

Warren has insisted that she did not cite her Native American ties in
order to gain an edge in the legal teaching world, and her campaign
released statements from officials at Harvard, and the universities of
Pennsylvania, Texas and Houston that said her lineage played no role in
their decisions to hire her.

So while Warren has claimed Native American ancestry based on stories from her grandfather, she was never hired because of her heritage and she never took a job away from a person of color.

"Facts are hard to beat."

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Tito Milian

Not even in the same ballpark as an Eastern European woman plagiarizing our black First Lady's speech, as if she had anything in common with Michelle Obama.“


Melania IS Eastern European!

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Tito Milian

Kate— Warren copied word for word from a newspaper, lol!I guess grandma high cheekbones didn’t have any recipes to pass down to her!

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Toby

Warren is a racial identity thief and she has a big scandal regarding racism on her hands right now.

The first part of Margaritadina's claim has been settled to my satisfaction. But what about her claim that Warren has a racism scandal on her hands?

Here are their complaints. I bolded the specific complaint--the campaign's actions that made them feel silenced and marginalized.

“During
the time I was employed with Nevada for Warren, there was definitely
something wrong with the culture,” said Megan Lewis, a field organizer
who joined the campaign in May and departed in December. “I filed a
complaint with HR, but the follow-up I received left me feeling as
though I needed to make myself smaller or change who I was to fit into
the office culture.”

Another recently departed staffer,
also a field organizer, granted anonymity because she feared reprisal,
echoed that sentiment. “I felt like a problem — like I was there to
literally bring color into the space but not the knowledge and voice
that comes with it,” she said in an interview.

She added: “We all were routinely
silenced and not given a meaningful chance on the campaign. Complaints,
comments, advice, and grievances were met with an earnest shake of the
head and progressive buzzwords but not much else.” A third former field
organizer who was also granted anonymity said those descriptions matched
her own experience. The other three women who recently left the campaign did not respond to requests for comment.

The women said the issues within the campaign hurt the larger effort to
marshal votes, particularly in the state's large Latino communities.
Spanish-language literature didn’t arrive until late in the fall despite
repeated requests from many staffers. There were too few
Spanish-speaking organizers, the former staffers said, despite asking
the campaign to hire more. They felt it was a constant battle to set up
events in Spanish.

The problems were exacerbated by conflicting leadership at the top.
Warren campaign headquarters in Boston quietly dispatched Democratic
operative Kevin Brown to Nevada in November. One of the former female
staffers, as well as a separate former Warren official in the state who
was not authorized to speak on the matter, said it was unclear who was
in charge, Brown or state director Suzy Smith.

Follow-up from Rolling Stone:

Responding to Warren’s apology, Lewis said,
“I think it’s a great response. I appreciate her apology. I love
Elizabeth Warren and I’m more excited than ever to caucus for her.”

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Toby

Tito Milian

Not even in the same ballpark as an Eastern European woman plagiarizing our
black First Lady's speech, as if she had anything in common with
Michelle Obama.“

Melania IS Eastern European!

Yes, I know. It's why I said that.

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Warren is a racist race baiter—People like “race-conscious laws”Warren and Democrat Senator Hugo Black, who filibustered anti-lynching legislation were behind Jim Crow.

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Tito Milian

Stolen valor is nothing new for the Democrats. Warren should run with Blumenthal as VP— what with his Vietnam experience

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Toby

Without setting foot on a battlefield, Donald Trump said he received a
Purple Heart medal on Tuesday at his rally in Ashburn, Virginia, from a
retired lieutenant colonel and supporter.

“I said to him, 'Is that like the real one, or is that a copy?” the
Republican nominee said moments after taking the stage at a local high
school.

Trump recounted the exchange, remarking that the man, who he
identified as retired Lt. Col. Louis Dorfman said, "That's my real
Purple Heart. I have such confidence in you."

"And I said, 'Man, that’s like big stuff. I always wanted to get the Purple Heart," Trump said. "This was much easier.”


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patriciae_gw(07)

This is actually heartening. This made up furor is all you have against a brilliant self made woman.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Exactly, patriciae.

And here is a little more on what the problem was in the Nevada campaign.

"The staffers who left the 70-person operation in the battleground state reportedly complained that they felt tokenized by the campaign because of their race. One staffer told Politico they felt like they were “there to literally bring color into the space, but not the knowledge and voice that comes with it.”

Much of the disputes came as staffers urged the campaign to produce more Spanish-language literature, hold events in Spanish and have more Spanish-speaking staffers join the campaign. "

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/481939-women-of-color-leave-warren-campaign-in-nevada-report

I can't see any big problem with "racism" in that description. I have the feeling that there is more to this story than the media has told us. In the meantime, until we know what is actually going on, perhaps we should ALL refrain from further sneers and smears, wouldn't you say?

Kate

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Tito Milian

Should we post the definition of stolen valor??

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Tito Milian

Blumenthal should be disqualified from serving in any public office

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margaritadina

'' dublinbay z6 (KS)

"Warren stole the job position specifically designed for a woman of color by falsifying her racial identity."

WRONG.

Universities do not "design" or set aside job positions specifically
for a woman or a man "of color." Unless you can provide proofs that show
otherwise, we must conclude that your statement indicates that you do
not understand how universities operate.

''

Or, I do understand how Universities operate. That's why I posted this:

''

'' The title of the piece, by Laura Padilla, was "Intersectionality and
positionality: Situating women of color in the affirmative action
dialogue."

"There are few women of color who hold important positions in the
academy, Fortune 500 companies, or other prominent fields or
industries," the piece says. "This is not inconsequential. Diversifying
these arenas, in part by adding qualified women of color to their ranks,
remains important for many reaons. For one, there are scant women of
color as role models.


In my three years at Stanford Law School, there
were no professors who were women of color. Harvard Law School hired its
first woman of color, Elizabeth Warren, in 1995."''

https://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/05/fordham-piece-called-warren-harvard-laws-first-woman-of-color-123526''


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''Toby


https://www.politico.com/story/2012/05/how-warren-fumbled-first-controversy-075903

...that said her lineage played no role in
their decisions to hire her.'

''

...as ''a first woman of color''. Sure, sure.

''..
In my three years at Stanford Law School, there
were no professors who were women of color. Harvard Law School hired its
first woman of color, Elizabeth Warren, in 1995."''


https://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/05/fordham-piece-called-warren-harvard-laws-first-woman-of-color-123526''

And this mess happened in Stanford LAW SCHOOL.




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''dublinbay z6 (KS)One staffer told Politico they felt like they
were “there to literally bring color into the space, but not the
knowledge and voice that comes with it.”

Much of the disputes came as staffers urged the campaign to
produce more Spanish-language literature, hold events in Spanish and
have more Spanish-speaking staffers join the campaign
.
"

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/481939-women-of-color-leave-warren-campaign-in-nevada-report I can't see any big problem with "racism" in that description.

''

No problem at all. Except been used as ''look, we have people of color here !'' and shoved aside at the same time. No other problems ))))

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