I'd like to answer that one...

Annie Deighnaugh

On the other thread, Ann asked the following:

I have a question for Dems on this thread. Why does it seem to bother so many of you so very much that others support Trump and don't agree with you about him. Is it because you fear he'll win and you're trying to convince people not to vote for him? Is it because you feel some need for others to agree with you? Why would questions like - would you support him if he shot someone - even be asked.

That thread has since deteriorated, so I thought I'd elevate this question here for those who want to provide a sincere answer as I think it's worthwhile.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

"Why would questions like - would you support him if he shot someone - even be asked."

Ummm, .......maybe because trump said it was true?

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Annie Deighnaugh

To answer Ann's question, I think trump is *the* most dangerous president our nation has ever had. So dangerous that he must be stopped. The problem is the dems can't stop him by themselves. He is well supported by his base which is keeping him in power with gop support. If we can convince enough gop of the dangers he presents to our very form of government, (I no longer think trumplicans will ever be convinced) then we have a shot at saving our nation and its constitutional republic. If not, then kiss America as we knew her goodbye. So far, the dems and the gop who agree have been failing bigly, the latest being this senate vote against documents and witnesses to shine light on what trump&co actually did regarding extorting ukraine.


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lurker111

I think trump is *the* most dangerous president our nation has ever had

He's the best the USA has ever had. I'm not worried about what the foreign crats think. Not at all worried about the propaganda from the crats. Have you seen Trump's crowd size compared to the crats? lol!

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Annie Deighnaugh

Why would questions like - would you support him if he shot someone - even be asked.

Because from the dems' POV, we have seen trumplicans continue and even strengthen their support of him despite all the evidence of his corrupt and criminal behavior, his laziness, his buffoonery, his immoral character, his thoughtless outbursts and tweets that put our nation at risk, his inability to treat national security with respect that puts peoples lives in danger, his abuse of the power of the presidency for personal gain and so much more.

The shock is that the party of personal responsibility has refused to hold trump responsible for *anything* he has done...and apparently for anything he will do even if it's shooting someone on 5th ave. That's why question is asked...is there *anything* that trump could do for which you would hold him responsible? So many of us think the answer is no as that's been the evidence to date.


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Chi

It perplexes me that people support Trump. For me, it's black and white. He's a liar and a criminal who is personally profiting financially and politically from the Presidency, and any economic performance isn't enough to overlook those qualities. I don't see how people can justify his actions, much less support them.

I also know a lot of support for him is not because people like him but because the liberals don't. I see it in my own family - my uncle thinks he's a clown but will happily vote for him to see liberals cry. That's how deep the hatred runs.

Our political culture is a disaster. It reminds me of a football game, where people will do anything to avoid their side losing, including admitting when they are in the wrong. So this is what happens - we get the type of President that I think 50 years ago, almost everyone would have disliked. And now half the country feverently supports him because he's on their side and they can't let the liberals win. And I do think this analogy can be applied to both sides.

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foodonastump

Answering the question is a waste of time. Anyone who at this point can’t understand that this transcends ideological differences has their head in the sand. And is probably still posting around this forum they we’re just sore losers who can’t get over the election.

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Annie Deighnaugh

I can only suggest that perhaps, if just for a moment, one forgets that it's about trump, and look at the actions and behaviors this president has taken as a *generic* president or even a *democratic* one, how would you react? If you can do that, even for a moment, then perhaps you'll understand why the democrats have reacted to trump the way they have. I wouldn't think it'd be that hard as the trumplicans were ready to lock hillary up over her email servers years ago which led to no data or information breach...but trump spilling code level data to the russians? Not a problem. trump spilling info that required the CIA to pull their highest placed asset in russia at putin's side so he wouldn't be killed? Not a problem.

Don't distract and deny and defend but ...just for a moment...try it on and see how it makes you feel.

If you can do that, then you will understand that the dems don't hate America but love it. That this is not about hillary but about *trump*. This is not about policy but our very form of government, designed to prevent an authoritarian takeover, which is being tested as never before and so far is failing.

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Toby

Why does it seem to bother so many of you so very much that others support Trump and don't agree with you about him.

It doesn't bother me that some support him. I've surmised that the few conservatives who post here are hard-core Trump supporters. They are the fewer than 30% in polls who will support him no matter what. I don't see any point in trying to convince them not to support Trump. They just dig in harder because it's gone beyond politics into something psychological. By now, what American doesn't know whether they'll vote for Trump or not?

But the part about them not agreeing is another thing. A fact is not a fact if it goes against Trump. Everyone else is wrong or lying and only Trump is right and telling the truth. Everyone else is corrupt and only Trump is honest. You have to throw out all common sense to believe that. They have an excuse and a defense for everything he says and does to the point of ridiculousness. He's been able to make them believe that half of America is their enemy and that's pretty powerful voodoo.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

"Cult" is the word you're looking for Toby, but it's one of those 4 letter words which is frowned upon here.

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Toby

Thanks, vgkg. I'd never want to cause a frown. :)

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lurker111

He's been able to make them believe that half of America is their enemy and that's pretty powerful voodoo.

He hasn't made Americans think anything of the sort. The crats did it to themselves. Yellow journalism is a form of psychological warfare and the crats have brainwashed and victimized the weak liberal minds that will believe everything they are told to believe.

I think America is beyond issues like who gets to use which restroom, and not offending a man by calling him sir.

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Nana H


"Why does it seem to bother so many of you so very much that others support Trump and don't agree with you about him."

Their politics don't bother me. What bothers me is that so many Americans think like him and accept , even defend , his behavior. It also bother me how willing they are to accept his lies and conspiracy theories as truth. It never concurred to me prior to Trump that so many thought that way or were so easily manipulated. It's alarms me that so many are that far right.

I'm talking hard core Trump supporters which as Toby mentioned is about 30% but to me that's a huge number.



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Toby

There you go blaming "yellow journalism" when I've heard Trump attack liberals and blue states by calling us traitors and other names and by lying about what liberals would do to you if we're elected.

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

It may be that some of us find most polititians contemptable. I find Trumpet, personally, ridiculous, but I dont mind the current results of his Presidency at all. I think the Dems hand wringing and crying is funny and pathetic.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

It's alarms me that so many are that far right.

....and that far wrong.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

The shock is that the party of personal responsibility has refused to hold trump responsible for *anything* he has done

If the fraud that was Trump University didn't give the Republican Party pause, if his multiple bankruptcies didn't make the GOP question his judgement, if his inability to obtain credit from US banks didn't cause seconds thoughts at the RNC, if the revelation of gross fraud by the Trump Foundation didn't cause Republican leaders to raise eyebrows, Trump is pretty much immune to criticism from his party, supposedly the party of responsibility.

I don't care why the GOP is supporting this fraudster and con man, I just want him gone from the White House, along with his aiders and abetters.

I know darn well that those GOP senators wouldn't trust him with a dollar of their own money, but they'll foist this crook on the US.

Shame on them, and shame on the Republican Party.

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Ann

"If we can convince enough gop of the dangers he presents to our very form of government, (I no longer think trumplicans will ever be convinced) then we have a shot at saving our nation and its constitutional republic."

Annie, this is a very clear answer from you. To me, it seems quite consistent with this particular "guess" of mine (from the OP).

"Is it because you fear he'll win and you're trying to convince people not to vote for him?"

But, your answer demonstrates your problem with convincing, IMO. People who support Trump don't agree that he presents dangers "to our very form of government". I think many people who support Trump feel exactly the opposite and, instead, feel he presents "safety" to the U.S. - in many ways. That's where I think all of us have no choice but to agree to disagree, and we do so with our vote.

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Toby

Instead of looking up all the dozens of times that Trump has tried to turn one half of the country against the other, let me use an example. When a woman at a town hall told John McCain that she was afraid of Obama because he was a Muslim, McCain shut her right down and said "No ma'am, we just have a difference of opinion." He understood how dangerous that thinking is and he did the honorable thing. If someone told Trump that they were afraid of a Muslim candidate, he'd use it to his political advantage. He'd tell them they had reason to fear because Muslims hate Christians and want to bring Sharia law to our courts. He'd have you all believing that there'd be required prayers to Mecca and women would be in burqas. He'd jump at the chance to exploit her fear, with no regard to the consequences.

He uses his tweets and his rallies to make his supporters hate and fear Democrats and "socialists". Some live in such red areas that they believe his every word. How can America ever be great when he tells you that half of us are lunatics and traitors? It'd just be better to eliminate us.

Did you see the report today of a Montana state senator who claimed that the Constitution gives us the right to shoot socialists? Here are his statements:

“So actually in the Constitution of the United States, [if you] are found guilty of being a socialist member, you either go to prison or are shot.”

“They’re enemies of the free state. What do we do with our enemies in war? In Vietnam, [Afghanistan], all those. What did we do?”

So I agree with Annie that Trump is the most dangerous president our nation has ever seen.

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Ann

"That thread has since deteriorated, so I thought I'd elevate this question here for those who want to provide a sincere answer as I think it's worthwhile."

Well, good try, but from reading the 20 or so comments posted so far, I'd say this thread has already reached a level of deterioration. Just another thread about how much Dems hate Trump and want to try to shame anyone who supports him. Yawn!

Nana, "concurred"?

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pkramer60

Why does it seem to bother so many of you so very much that others support Trump and don't agree with you about him. It never bothered me. Why should it? If you want to support him, go for it. Just make sure you can explain things to your grandchildren when they ask.

Is it because you feel some need for others to agree with you? I don't care if you agree with me or not. I have no need of anyones approval, including yours.

Why would questions like - would you support him if he shot someone - even be asked. For the same reason we ask how a candidate stands on other issues. You can interpet the question as "Is he capable of murder, greed, incest, rape, abortion,etc." It is asked in the simplest of terms for those that need that type of question.

Is it because you fear he'll win and you're trying to convince people not to vote for him? Fear can paralze you, and I would never let him have the upper hand but I would not be happy if he was elected again. Those that support another candidate do so because they beleive the opponent has a better track record or ideas. We encourage voters to choose another one.

I hope this answers your curiosity.


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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Just another thread about how much Dems hate Trump and want to try to shame anyone who supports him.

I didn't do that, so your statement is not true.

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patriciae_gw(07)

Ann, again, We do not hate Trump. We think he is dangerous.

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Ann

P, okay. I am happy to agree to disagree with your Trump is "dangerous" opinion.

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Nana H

The question was "Why does it seem to bother so many of you so very much that others support Trump and don't agree with you about him"

I explained exactly why I felt that way as did others. The numbers who think like him and support his behavior scares the heck out of me.

Your question...our answers.

ETA It has nothing to do with trying to convince people not to vote for him. That's impossible so who woould we even try?

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lurker111

Trump has been here for 3 years and hasn't tried to overthrow a country. He's much safer than obama or hillary. Just ask the rest of the world.

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numbersjunkie

I keep hearing how Trump is the greatest President ever and has done so much for our country, but then the rhetoric almost immediately shifts into "crat" mode with name calling, gas-lighting and such. There is rarely, if ever, any reasonable discussion of the facts. When any action of Trumps is criticized, there is never any acknowledgment that "just maybe" what he did was wrong or less than "prefect".

I don't spend much time here anymore because trying to change minds is futile. Many Trump supporters are just too personally invested in him to allow themselves to admit they may have been mislead. Sometimes I just can't resist jerking their chains - as with the Kansas City, Kansas memes. Or I share things that I think the other "crats" might find informative. When reading threads that contain meaningful discussions, I simply skip over the comments from our other members which typically lack substance.

I agree with Annie that Trump is the most dangerous President our country has ever had. History will be the final judge. But to be honest, I think history will show that the Trump was simply the front man - with an even more dangerous and well organized group choreographing the events. Trump is easily controlled and manipulated. Just look at how Rudy got him to buy into the conspiracy theories about Ukraine and the "crowdstrike" server! The truth about all of this will eventually come to light.

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adoptedbyhounds

"So this is what happens - we get the type of President that I think 50 years ago, almost everyone would have disliked."

Not quite. If Americans had known what politicians were up to back then, we would have known their goal was to "fundamentally transform" the United States via mass legal and illegal immigration...and to do so without ever seeking our permission.

Decades of imported poverty have been used as a vehicle on which disloyal politicians built careers, quietly redistributing America's national wealth and political power to tens of millions of new arrivals. President Trump spoke up for the constituents their politicians left behind.

Like millions of citizens, he had already figured out what was going on, and stepped up to give ordinary Americans a voice.

Remember the shock on the faces of the MSM/Establishment politicians when President Trump won? Clearly, Americans were way ahead of their politicians and the MSM. The ability to think for themselves made it unlikely Trump supporters would ever fall for the silly Russia nonsense.

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ubro(2a)

That's where I think all of us have no choice but to agree to disagree, and we do so with our vote.

A person's vote only counts if one side is not cheating, otherwise the election is a sham and not the democratic process you believe it is.

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AnnKH

The question was "Why does it seem to bother so many of you so very much that others support Trump and don't agree with you about him"

I don't care if people agree with me or not. What bothers me is that Trump supporters can look at the facts - the lying, the cheating, the name-calling, the ignorance - and come to the conclusion that Trump's is an acceptable POTUS.

When the Access Hollywood tapes came out, I thought "That's it, he's done", because I couldn't imagine that people could hear that and still vote for the man who said it. It bothers me a LOT that so many people in our country consider that attitude acceptable in anyone - much less the President.

Turns out I vastly underestimated the Trumpsters' capacity for accepting behavior that I consider unacceptable.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Turns out I vastly underestimated the Trumpsters' capacity for accepting behavior that I consider unacceptable.

Mulligans AnnKH, Mulligans....trumpsters travel a road paved with Mulligans.

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Ann

I heard one of the hosts on Fox News over the weekend saying the current Dem narrative is all about attempted value shaming (Trump's values and those of his supporters). They felt Dems are afraid to touch the topic of Trump's policy right now, because attacking his policy (economy, foreign policy, immigration, trade, etc.) is a very unproductive tactic at present. Trump's policy agenda (on many subjects) is delivering positive results and wins, so quite difficult to challenge right now.

I'd say this thread demonstrates this host's theory precisely!

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Toby

"I don't care if people agree with me or not. What bothers me is that
Trump supporters can look at the facts - the lying, the cheating, the
name-calling, the ignorance - and come to the conclusion that Trump's is
an acceptable POTUS.

Turns out I vastly underestimated the Trumpsters' capacity for accepting behavior that I consider unacceptable."

AnnKH, not just accepting it but attempting to normalize it and hoping that we'll come to normalize it too. I think that's what their goal has been all along. There's an excuse for everything--he's joking, he's not a politician, he's a little crude, he's only fighting back, he's exercising executive privilege--on and on and on.

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AnnKH

Ann, the question in the OP was not "do you agree with Trump's policies", but "why does it bother you that others support Trump?"

If you want to have a discussion on what Fox News tells you about Trump's policies, perhaps you should start another thread.

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Nana H


"Trump's policy agenda (on many subjects) is delivering positive results and wins, so quite difficult to challenge right now."

What the FOX narrative ignores is that many, the majority in fact , regard his " policies" as bad and harmful policies so how in hell could they ever think the policies results are positive or successful ? Such ridiculous logic.

He has most definitely not been successful on foreign policy or trade. His economic policies have not produced an economy any better than the one he inherited. Then there is health care, education and the environment.

It is easy to challenge his policies , or rather lack thereof. It' s happens here every day.

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Nana H

FOX news drives an incredible amount of opinion here. They are regularly cited by some as if what they say is sacrosanct.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Good one, vgkg.

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I'm surprised that my question on the other thread--Where would Repubs. draw a line designating impeachable actions?--and then, when no one seemed capable of answering it, asking if they would even object if he shot someone on 5th Avenue (his example)--has generated a whole separate thread, and a very good one also. The other one had become clogged with smart-alecky pot-shots. This one has encouraged a number of voices we don't hear from too often because they don't enjoy having to dodge pot-shots from the other side.

One thing we can learn from this thread is that when the mud-slingers take over a thread with their gotchas and irrelevant one-liners, discussion on HT is discouraged and a number of voices we could benefit from hearing get lost in the dissonance.

And we wonder why they do not post very often?

Thank you, Annie, for starting this new thread. I really enjoyed hearing from a number of voices too often drowned out by the NOISE.

Kate

ETA: I still have no idea if any Trumpster is willing to say what a president would have to do to justify impeaching him/her AND removing him/her from office. Do they not know? A simple 'yes' or 'no' to the 'murder on 5th Ave.' question would at least give us some idea if there is ANYTHING a president could do that would be considered a justifiable reason for impeaching AND removing him/her from office, in the eyes of his followers.

Or do Trump's supporters truly believe that Trump, being president, can do no wrong that reaches the "high crimes and misdemeanors" category? Is he above the law--period! in the eyes of his supporters?

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lurker111

If you quote Rachael, you'll look like a fool.

A person's vote only counts if one side is not cheating, otherwise the
election is a sham and not the democratic process you believe it is.

There is only one side that doesn't want to secure the vote and is firmly against voter ID.

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lurker111

I still have no idea if any Trumpster is willing to say what a
president would have to do to justify impeaching him/her AND removing
him/her from office. Do they not know? A simple 'yes' or 'no' to the
'murder on 5th Ave.'

That depends on who he shot.

FYI, the constitution defines what a president can be impeaches for. No where does it say that imagined crimes are impeachable. The crats acted in bad faith and with ill intent. They don't understand the constitution that gives them limited powers, they don't understand our laws, and don't understand the job of the president, the power of the president, or their own jobs. They are dysfunctional and unfit for public office.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

lurker, you are arguing the current specific case.

My questions are about all the FUTURE cases, in general.

Can you not understand the difference? No ability to generalize?

Kate

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lurker111

My comment deals with the facts that guide our country...The constitution. It applies to the past, present, and future.

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lurker111

Listen to the crats...

If Trump isn't impeached and removed by conspiracy
theories, then what does that do for our future bogus attacks against
him?

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margaritadina

''Ann I
heard one of the hosts on Fox News over the weekend saying the current
Dem narrative is all about attempted value shaming (Trump's values and
those of his supporters).''

OMG, this sums it up beautifully ! )))))

But why liberals were not provided better handbooks????

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

I heard one of the hosts on Fox News over the weekend saying the current Dem narrative is all about attempted value shaming (Trump's values and those of his supporters).

Although I am not a registered Democrat -- except for a few weeks every four years to vote in California's Democratic presidential primary -- I have not followed the alleged "Dem narrative." Consequently, my comments are rarely, if ever, addressed by Hot Topic's Trump supporters.

For example, my comments on this thread are ignored. No shaming of supporters, but a factual recitation of Trump's misdeeds, and actions that make him unsuitable for the White House.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Oh, in case posters didn't notice it, this thread has also deteriorated into pot-shots. Good-bye discussion.

Kate

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Annie Deighnaugh

Ann: Just another thread about how much Dems hate Trump and want to try to shame anyone who supports him.

I disagree with that characterization. You asked the question looking for earnest answers and I tried to provide them. There is no hate in my replies...fear of the dangers he presents, yes, but not hatred. There is no shaming anyone in my replies. It's about expressing how dangerous he is to our government and our freedoms, and trying to raise awareness of those dangers.

It's no different than, say, talking to people who think vaping is ok and saying why you think it's dangerous, and what motivates you to want to express those thoughts.

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Annie Deighnaugh

I think it might help elevate the discussion if people don't feed the trolls.

Stay focused on topic and ignore the rest. It really helps.

I also think it might help elevate the discussion if you become the change you'd most like to see.

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barncatz

My daughter sent me an interview on NPR of the Holocaust historian, Laurence Rees and one of Eli Wiesel. I'm not trying to flamethrow, quite the opposite.

Rees explained that Hitler and his administration had indeed started out hating the Jews but their initial Solution was to expel them. They put them into ghettoes thinking the war would end and they would ship them to a French colony, probably Madagascar. When the war didn't end, they went from point to point until they had talked themselves into extermination since the Jews were starving anyway.

Rees was adamant that Hitler was not a monster. He was a man. A man who despised a group of people but The Final Solution was in many ways a beauraucratic solution, allowed by years of normalizing that hatred.

I've always hated bullies, so I might hate Trump. But when I hear him sneering and mocking other Americans, sometimes crossing the line in his speech into hate, and my fellow Americans don't object, it bothers me.

I read the Trump speech mudhouse posted and was shocked by how he said I was a bad person and I was crazy. I realized I avoided Trump speeches and did not realize how blatant he was about his contempt for liberals and democrats and the media I respect. It bothers me that that those very personal attacks on US citizens gets cheers from my fellow citizens.


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elvis

dublinbay z6 (KS)

Oh, in case posters didn't notice it, this thread has also deteriorated into pot-shots. Good-bye discussion.

Kate

Like this? Actually, this is more in the "personal insult" category, but why split hairs?

dublinbay z6 (KS)

lurker, you are arguing the current specific case.

My questions are about all the FUTURE cases, in general.

Can you not understand the difference? No ability to generalize?

Kate

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barncatz

I apologize for adding to such an already long post, but I skipped the middle. I believe humans have an incredible capacity for both good and cruelty.

The point about Nazi Germany is that it started as a democracy, with a charismatic man elected by a people with a vibrant culture and settled religious norms, a shining star of a country with a dark history of anti-semitism that they refused to acknowledge or remedy. As historian Rees explains they did not intend to kill 6 million Jews when they started.

We are a country where so many people suffered in the fight against that man, including my own parents, who traveled widely but never could bring themselves to revisit Germany - although my father visited Normandy Beach 3 times, including in the year before his death in his 90s.

So, to have a President use some of that man's tools, tools we all recognize - Trump didn't invent them - to boost his popularity and cement his supporter's enthusiasm strikes me as a terrible failure and, given human nature, a terrible and unnecessary risk.

When he gave an interview in front of the graves of young men who fought Germany, including some whose death stories I heard from my father, and mocked a political opponent, his followers should have called that out. They have the power to tell him "Enough" yet they cheer instead. That bothers me.

You can support the man and his policies but I believe Americans of all political beliefs should remember our courage of 75 years ago and say "Never Again" to the tools and rhetoric he's using.


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Toby

I read the Trump speech mudhouse posted and was shocked by how he said I was a bad person and I was crazy.

Do you have the link to that speech, barncatz? I hope that mudhouse didn't post it to say nice things about Trump or to defend him.

He started out being an utter disgrace to our country but now it's reached an alarming stage because of him playing to the base to win re-election. I well remember his rallies of the 2016 election and know that it's only going to get worse as he gets closer to the election.

We really need to understand why his nasty, lying, hateful words appeal to so many of his followers.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Toby, I don't know, but I surmise there are many people who are so insecure that the only way they feel powerful is by putting others down...I think our president is clearly one of them.

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Toby

Maybe he and they think it compensates for their ignorance. If I can't be smart, I can at least look tough.

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Ann

Nana (this thread yesterday): "What the FOX narrative ignores is that many, the majority in fact , regard his " policies" as bad and harmful policies so how in hell could they ever think the policies results are positive or successful ? Such ridiculous logic.

He has most definitely not been successful on foreign policy or trade. His economic policies have not produced an economy any better than the one he inherited. Then there is health care, education and the environment."

Gallup today (regarding just released new poll):

"The Economy. Americans' confidence in the economy is higher than at any point in the past two decades. Similarly, national satisfaction is the highest in nearly 15 years."

"It is the highest economic approval rating not only for Trump, but for any president since George W. Bush enjoyed stratospheric job approval ratings in the first few months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."

"Trump's ratings for handling foreign affairs (47%) and foreign trade (50%) are also his best to date."

:)

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Nana H

As I stated the majority don't see his policies as successful.

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elvis

You said:

Nana H


"Trump's policy agenda (on many subjects) is delivering positive results and wins, so quite difficult to challenge right now."

What the FOX narrative ignores is that many, the majority in fact , regard his " policies" as bad and harmful policies so how in hell could they ever think the policies results are positive or successful ? Such ridiculous logic.

What's your factual basis for that statement?

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barncatz

Toby, here's the link:


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-turning-point-usas-teen-student-action-summit-2019/


This was the speech where Trump said "Then I have an Article 2, where I have the right to do whatever I want as President." and since it was in the middle of complaining about the Mueller investigation, mudhouse cited the speech in support of an interpretation that Trump only meant he had the right to fire ...Comey, ....I think she said, not that he had unlimited powers.

Anyway, he segues in and out of demonizing his opponents, referred to as Democrats, the Far Left, Tlaib, AOC, socialists, Hilary, the hard left, in a kind of indistinguishable stew, and of course the media, but here's a sample of the overall message - us: good and true Americans and all who oppose us: dangerous. You can tell when he's riffing and when he's reading, but it was, unfortunately, pretty effective, I thought.

So anyone who speaks the truth is shouted down, censored, de-platformed, fired, expelled, harassed, intimidated, abused, and even, in many cases, assaulted. But they don’t go after certain of our people. Bikers for Trump — you ever see these guys? The Bikers for Trump. (Applause.) They leave them alone. Our construction workers, they leave them alone. Our law enforcement, they leave them alone. Anybody that looks real tough and real nasty, they leave them alone.

They only go after somebody that stands there and is not a fighter. Nothing wrong with that. And they beat the hell out of them and they pummel him, like what happened two weeks ago. They pummel him. That’s the only one they go after. They’ll go after that. They say, “Is he a fighter?” “No.” “Let’s hit him over the head with sticks and bats.” What they do, it’s a horrible thing. But hey, they don’t do it to many of our people. But they look for the people that aren’t the fighters.

These dangerous behaviors are the hallmarks of socialism.

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Toby

My God! What a load of narcissistic nonsense he laid on them! And they are teens he's teaching to hate!

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barncatz

That was my reaction.

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zmith

IOW he was sending the message that if you’re not with “us” (Trump’s team) you risk getting beaten up or worse.

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Toby

That went on for an hour and a half. It's a pack of lies. That's why I'm not watching the SOTU address. I always felt inspired watching it in the past. Not now.

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Annie Deighnaugh

And we've seen it here too....where some declare that they are the true Americans and democrats are not...

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Annie Deighnaugh

Ann: Trump's policy agenda (on many subjects) is delivering positive results and wins, so quite difficult to challenge right now.

I disagree. I don't think his policy agenda is a good one and I don't see, for example, rolling back decades of clean water policy, or cutting funding to social security and medicare, or exploding deficits, or getting rid of pre-existing condition protections, or dissing our western allies in favor of radicals like the saudis as good policy.

The best parallel I can think of is the saying that under Mussolini the trains ran on time. It's foolish to focus on a single positive outcome while ignoring the significant moves towards an imperial presidency trump has taken. The low unemployment rate is a pimple on a gnat's butt compared to the loss of liberty and freedom that trump&co are instituting, turning the presidency into a dictatorship and the unprecedented level of corruption with which he operates both domestically and internationally.

One is a short-term outcome, one is a fundamental shift in how our nation is governed and how much power resides with the people.

The dems and the gop disagreed on policy under both bush presidents and reagan. But none of them represented a threat to our very form of government...everyone believed they were on America's side, but just saw her best interests differently. That is not something I can say about trump. He is on trump's side only, with a strong bias toward putin and other dictators.

trump doesn't believe that no man is above the law...he thinks he is, and the gop is letting him get away with it. But the very core of our democratic republic depends on the rule of law. That's what's being eroded as we speak.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

The best parallel I can think of is the saying that under Mussolini the trains ran on time.


They didn't run on time under Mussolini.


And after Allied bombings, the trains didn't run at all.



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Kathy

trump doesn't believe that no man is above the law...he thinks he is,


Doug Jones stood up for integrity over politics today by declaring he would vote to convict even though he is up an election in a red state. Truth matters.



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Toby

As long as Trump is one of them, or more accurately has them believing he's one of them, why should they care if he's a dictator? He's implementing their policies.

94% of Republicans are happy with him. 93% of Democrats are not. Independents are split down the middle. Anyone can see how divisive he is but they believe four more years of this will be good for the country.

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tryingtounderstand

Can we separate the man from policies? There are many conservatives who do not like trump. They just keep silent, perhaps afraid to be called traitor, disloyal on and on. It’s amazing to me, that loyalty is even a part of a democratic society. Kind of reminds me of China, NK, and other countries which demand the utmost Loyalty from their citizens. The fear of being shot ensures loyalty and adulation.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Can we separate the man from policies?

Apparently not. It was the same with kavanaugh. The standard has always been even the appearance of impropriety which kavanaugh clearly did not meet. And there were many even more conservative judges that would've had none of his issues who would've been happy to take away abortion rights, but trump wanted him... so then did his base. trump of course wanting to grow the power of the presidency unchecked with which kavanaugh would help. I mean I understand why trump wanted him, but I don't understand why the base didn't reject kavanaugh as he was proving unfit in so many ways...the appearance of impropriety, questions about his finances, his temperament, let alone accusations by women against him and his lying about his past.

But there too, they held a sham investigation where none of the people involved were questioned, it was limited by time and scope and came away with nothing new...just enough to provide cover for those who needed the appearance of being objective when the game was rigged from the get go.

I guess with the impeachment they didn't even bother with the 'appearance' of being objective.

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mellyc123

I agree 100 % with the Dems that he is a disgusting pig, a liar, etc. I object. I just do not object with my vote.

Do you have someone that is not going to forgive education loans? (a legally binding contract signed by choice btw)

Do you have a candidate who is not going to condone and reward immigrants illegally entering our country ?

Do you have a candidate that would provide healthcare to all by cutting out the corporate greed of hospitals, insurance companies, private ambulance companies, lawyers, pharma companies etc and not do it by increasing my taxes?

Do you have a candidate that will give opportunities not free rides?

Do you have a candidate that is not going to raise my taxes to support these platforms?

I would prefer not to vote for a pig so if do have a candidate that is a yes for even two or three and would only slightly (<=2%) increase my taxes then I would seriously consider them as I think many of my peers would also. Til then we just don't watch the news, twitter etc because we really don't want to know what stupid or offensive thing he has done today.

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cattyles

Melly, they all have websites with their platforms.

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adoptedbyhounds

"But none of them represented a threat to our very form of government...everyone believed they were on America's side, but just saw her best interests differently."

That narrative is easily disputed. It has never been Democrats', nor the FBI's nor the MSM's place to pick our president for us. They've forgotten where their power comes from, and who they work for.

It's not their place to smear, impeach, nor to remove a president they could not defeat. Their lack of respect for Americans

Winning elections is hard. We now understand the lengths powerful insiders were willing to go in order to manufacture a "victory" they knew they might not win fairly. They tried to cheat the president and his supporters with their lame tales of "collusion" and sophomoric "interpretations" of perfectly appropriate conversations.

When you have a problem with America First, you have a problem with America.

President Trump doesn't scold Americans, call them names, doesn't consider them "irredeemable." Best of all, he does not confuse criminal illegal aliens with a legitimate constituency.

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elvis

Well said. Thank you.

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woodnymph2_gw

..."Trump doesn't scold Americans, call them names, doesn't consider them irredeemable...."

Hoot! No, he just mocks disabled men, labels Latinos as rapists and criminals, demeans women verbally, insults Gold Star families, verbally attacks the Free Press, the CIA, the FBI, and patriots such as the late J. McCain.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

“President Trump doesn't scold Americans, call them names, doesn't consider them "irredeemable."”

Are you serious? You don’t see the names he calls people or observe the way he discards them if they disagree with his all-wise opinions?

Or do you think that Lyin Liddle’ Ted, Pencil-Neck Shifty Schiff, Nervous Nancy (I could go on and on, there are handy charts out there if you need more examples) and all the Never Trumper RINOs are just not real Americans?

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dandyfopp

FOAS had the right answer.



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chipotle


woodnymph2_gw


..."Trump doesn't scold Americans, call them names, doesn't consider them irredeemable...."


I don't know who said that Woodnymph, but what a bunch of hooey!

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Toby

Nor does Trump ask foreign governments to help him win elections by digging up dirt on his opponents. Nor does Trump use that unproven dirt to smear his opponents. Nor does the MSM media assist Trump by pushing those unproven stories about his opponents. No, he wins fair and square.

Maybe Trump doesn't love a few people like Pencil Neck Schiff, but he loves the American people. His love for Democrats and liberals, who represent half of the voters, oozes from his every pore as he praises what wonderful patriots Democrats are in his speeches. As a Dem, I really feel the love, don't you?

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woodnymph2_gw

chipotle, read adoptedbyhounds' post above ^^^^^

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Kathy

Trump has publicly asked China for help to win 2020. As soon as Mueller was done he asked Zelensky to get him dirt on his opponent. Trump has no use for anyone who cannot benefit him. He even had illegal workers until it was exposed as hypocritical.

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Sue 430

I would like to answer that question, and this is from my heart, so trash me if you will, but it's how I feel. When Trump was running, I was sure that he couldn't win the primary let alone the general election. This was due to multiple factors, but to name a few: he knew nothing about govt, as he was a mostly failed businessman who filed multiple bankruptcies, stiffed almost every company or person who ever worked for him, was an unapologetic bigot, obviously had no respect for women, was a rude, crude bully who made fun of everyone, appeared narcissistic, and was clearly more interested in promoting himself and his businesses than in educating himself on how to run a country. I felt that there was no way the american people would elect a blatant racist, who obviously had no use for women other than sexual and was incapable of empathy or compassion. One thing that Trumpers fail to understand is that our disgust with Trump has nothing to do with politics. It's not because Hillary lost, nor because a republican won. I would not be feeling sick or disgusted if one of the other republicans had won. I would't have loved it, but would have been able to bear it. It is because a disgusting bigoted person with no morals or ethics convinced so many americans to vote for him. When the election results came in, I felt sick. Not so much even because he would be president but more actually because so many americans voted for him, knowing exactly what he was. It made me lose faith in my fellow citizens. The only bright spot for me was when it was discovered that he had actually lost the popular vote by quite a bit. I was able to think that at least the majority of americans had some morals and principals. It made me ill to see that people who I knew and had previously respected voted for him not in spite of who he was, but BECAUSE of who he was. I was forced to come to that conclusion because I tried to talk to them many times, and they refused to criticize even a single thing he did/said. They would not criticize his access hollywood comments, his mocking of a disabled man, his trashing of multiple military heroes, and his blatantly racist and misogynistic comments. I tried my best to not draw that conclusion, but in the end, there was nothing else to think. Most people are able to criticize leaders when they are wrong. HIs supporters seem incapable. It disgusts me to think that so many americans , most particularly people who pride themselves on being religious, moral and ethical, would be willing to vote for him. I could understand somewhat people who thought he would change or people who held their nose and voted for him to avoid Hillary, but most of those people have long since regretted their votes and no longer support him. But hearing/reading/watching him be cheered on while he makes disgusting comments about people is just more than I can take. I feel like his supporters have decided that there is no longer any moral or character standards for someone to be president. Unless they're someone other than Trump of course.

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Nana H

Beautifully expressed Sue .

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woodnymph2_gw

Sue, a thousand likes for your post. So well said.

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Ann

Let's see - sick twice, ill once, you or Trump disgusted or disgusting 5 times, bigot twice, racist twice, misogynist once, crude once, morals 4 times, ethics twice, and even religion once. Whew, that's a comment alright. I've never met you on HT (as Sue:), but what an entrance and so much immediate support for that comment.

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Nana H

Agreed...crude , morals and ethics should have scored higher.

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adoptedbyhounds

"You don’t see the names he calls people or observe the way he discards them if they disagree with his all-wise opinions?"

Nope. I see President Trump taking individuals to task, regardless of nationality or political party. I see him standing up for Americans victimized by illegal alien rapists and murderers, while Dems protect them.

President Trump and his supporters are not the ones arranging "sanctuary" for criminal aliens on AMERICAN soil. We are not the ones calling law abiding citizens irredeemable deplorables and more. Don't be surprised if Americans again "thank" failed politicians by replacing them with individuals who, like President Trump, actually like America and Americans.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Don't be surprised if Americans again "thank" failed politicians by replacing them with individuals who, UNlike President Trump, actually like America and Americans.

Yes, a repeat of 2018 is coming bigtime! ....and guess who will be surprised., and maybe even start a civil war due to the real TDS.

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Ann

Lots of Dem confidence today! Vgkg and Nana feeling good about the upcoming election.

Edit: I removed a name from this list because of my mistake in remembering a comment from this morning.

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Nana H

: )

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

I wish it were today Ann.

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Toby

Ann

Let's see - sick twice, ill once, you or Trump disgusted or disgusting 5
times, bigot twice, racist twice, misogynist once, crude once, morals 4
times, ethics twice, and even religion once. Whew, that's a comment
alright. I've never met you on HT (as Sue:), but what an entrance and
so much immediate support for that comment.

Does it surprise you that we support the comment because we feel the same way? You wholeheartedly supported a post from a Trump supporter this morning who used equivalent words to describe the entire Democratic party.

Half of those adjectives might have been avoided if Trump could have just kept his big mouth shut. Why did he never learn the most basic rules of human decency?

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Ann

Oops, I went back to review the comments I was remembering and FOAS did not indicate he was feeling good about the upcoming election, so my mistake. But, I was correct about Nana ("I'm feeling more confident than I have been that the House will retain the House, win the WH and has a good shot at the Senate.") and we can read of vgkg's confidence on this thread.

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Nana H

Yes FOAS did indicate he was feeling much better about the Dems today than yesterday. It's on the debates thread


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Ann

"Does it surprise you that we support the comment because we feel the same way?"

No surprise at all.

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Ziemia(6a)

"President Trump doesn't scold Americans, call them names, doesn't consider them "irredeemable.""

This is accepted as true by Trump supporters?

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woodnymph2_gw

I'm sure many of us here could cite various examples of Trump scolding Americans, and calling them names....

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Ann

Yes, I reread the comment Nana. I agree he said he is feeling better about Dems than yesterday. FOAS said nothing about confidence in the upcoming election. My mistake.

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Nana H

"Nana feeling good about the upcoming election."

Note I said " more" confident not good. Note I said much depends on the nominee. There was no overt confidence expressed in my post. Please don't misrepresent my words.

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Kathy

Trump spread a bunch of lies about VIndman on Twitter. Why does he have to double down on his nastiness? He cannot help himself. He will continue to overplay his hand.

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woodnymph2_gw

Trump seems to be literally seething with hate and resentment for his perceived "enemies."

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Ann

Okay Nana, I don't like to feel my words have been misrepresented either. Just so there is absolutely no confusion from anyone reading, I've already quoted that particular sentence once, but here it is again - in Nana's words:

Nana today: "I'm feeling more confident than I have been that the House will retain the House, win the WH and has a good shot at the Senate."

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Stan Areted

Will Mayor Pete see the inside of the Oval Office?

Inquiring minds and all!

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Nana H


"Nana feeling good about the upcoming election."

"More confident" is NOT the same as "feeling good" especially since I stated that much depends on the nominee . If I wanted to say I felt good about the elections I would have said that but I don't feel good about the elections......not yet.

Again I will ask you to stop misrepresenting what I post .

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Nana H

Stan I expect he will get many an invite : )

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Stan Areted

Sue430

I would like to answer that question, and this is from my heart, so trash me if you will, but it's how I feel. When Trump was running, I was sure that he couldn't win the primary let alone the general election. This was due to multiple factors, but to name a few: he knew nothing about govt, as he was a mostly failed businessman who filed multiple bankruptcies, stiffed almost every company or person who ever worked for him, was an unapologetic bigot, obviously had no respect for women, was a rude, crude bully who made fun of everyone, appeared narcissistic, and was clearly more interested in promoting himself and his businesses than in educating himself on how to run a country. I felt that there was no way the american people would elect a blatant racist, who obviously had no use for women other than sexual and was incapable of empathy or compassion. One thing that Trumpers fail to understand is that our disgust with Trump has nothing to do with politics. It's not because Hillary lost, nor because a republican won. I would not be feeling sick or disgusted if one of the other republicans had won. I would't have loved it, but would have been able to bear it. It is because a disgusting bigoted person with no morals or ethics convinced so many americans to vote for him. When the election results came in, I felt sick. Not so much even because he would be president but more actually because so many americans voted for him, knowing exactly what he was. It made me lose faith in my fellow citizens. The only bright spot for me was when it was discovered that he had actually lost the popular vote by quite a bit. I was able to think that at least the majority of americans had some morals and principals. It made me ill to see that people who I knew and had previously respected voted for him not in spite of who he was, but BECAUSE of who he was. I was forced to come to that conclusion because I tried to talk to them many times, and they refused to criticize even a single thing he did/said. They would not criticize his access hollywood comments, his mocking of a disabled man, his trashing of multiple military heroes, and his blatantly racist and misogynistic comments. I tried my best to not draw that conclusion, but in the end, there was nothing else to think. Most people are able to criticize leaders when they are wrong. HIs supporters seem incapable. It disgusts me to think that so many americans , most particularly people who pride themselves on being religious, moral and ethical, would be willing to vote for him. I could understand somewhat people who thought he would change or people who held their nose and voted for him to avoid Hillary, but most of those people have long since regretted their votes and no longer support him. But hearing/reading/watching him be cheered on while he makes disgusting comments about people is just more than I can take. I feel like his supporters have decided that there is no longer any moral or character standards for someone to be president. Unless they're someone other than Trump of course.



And this so off reality judgment of fellow Ameiricans' character as well as that of Donald Trump is exactly why Donald Trump is now PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.

However, since he far exceeded the wildest expectations and hopes of those that voted for him, and many who did not, he has support for performance as well, now.

The arrogance and judgment of the left is just icing on the cake.

The left cannot seem to think past emotional retorts and grasping for the satisfaction derived from criticism of the character of others, which is laughable in the face of hypocrisy and the resounding success of an administration known for Making America Great Again.

Frankly, the judgment from any democrat or liberal about the chraracter of our president or any of his supporters is irrelevant, as sour grapes should be.


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Ann

"Again I will ask you to stop misrepresenting what I post ."

Again, I agreed with you about misrepresentation and to avoid any possible confusion, I quoted the sentence I had been thinking of (twice). Now, anyone reading this thread can read your sentence in your words.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,others)(8a)

"Frankly, the judgment from any democrat or liberal about the chraracter of our president or any of his supporters is irrelevant, as sour grapes should be."

I believe Ann was sincere when she asked the first time, I think Annie was sincere when she reposted, and I think the posters who took the time to answer were sincere in their replies.

Whether it is all irrelevant or not I suppose is up to each of us to decide for ourselves; I believe it is not.

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Kathy

It isn’t irrelevant when many concur with Sue. We see a total different reality than Trumpers. In fact, I am in awe how they excuse his bad behavior.

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Nana H

I don't understand dissing a sincere answer to what I thought was a sincere question.


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Kathy

”satisfaction derived from criticism of the character of others, which is laughable in the face of hypocrisy


Speaking of Trump—

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cyn427 NoVaZone7

Sue, I would like to copy and repost your comment every time we are accused of TDS, being poor losers because Hillary lost, etc., etc., etc. As Stan's retort shows, all those reasons you laid out so clearly will be ignored, but your post is worth repeating over and over. Thank you for that.

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lurker111

I wouldn't suggest that.

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Stan Areted

Preaching to the choir while the rest of us move along MAGA.

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bleusblue2

Stan Areted

....< >....

And this so off reality judgment of fellow Ameiricans' character as well as that of Donald Trump is exactly why Donald Trump is now PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.

However, since he far exceeded the wildest expectations and hopes of those that voted for him, and many who did not, he has support for performance as well, now.

~~~~

Yes, Donald Trump does demonstrate his character each and every day. May you all have bosses, workmates, spouses, friends with similar character. This will assure you a good income for the time being, if nothing else. Meanwhile, after many environmental deregulations, those lovely drops in Cancer deaths, for instance, will mount; a special gift to our grandchildren along with the trillion dollar debt.

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Sue 430

Stan apparently didn't really read my comments, and Ann, you did a great job of counting words but it doesn't sound like you really understood my comments.

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Stan Areted

I read them.


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ubro(2a)

Whew, that's a comment alright. I've never met you on HT (as Sue:), but what an entrance and so much immediate support for that comment.

The truth is often applauded, and should be acknowledged.

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