More From Bolton.....on Turkey and China

numbersjunkie

NYT story from last week, starts out with this:


WASHINGTON — It was late 2018, and President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey was on the phone with an unusual request for President Trump: Could he intervene with top members of his cabinet to curb or even shut down a criminal investigation into Halkbank, one of Turkey’s largest state-owned banks?

It was not Mr. Erdogan’s only effort to persuade the Trump administration to back off the investigation into the bank, which had been accused of violating United States sanctions against Iran.

His government had hired a lobbying firm run by a friend of and fund-raiser for Mr. Trump to press his case with the White House and State Department. And there would be more phone calls between the two leaders in which the topic came up, according to participants in the lobbying.

Mr. Erdogan’s influence campaign is now under scrutiny again in Washington, following the disclosure that Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, John R. Bolton, reported in his forthcoming book his concern that the president was effectively granting personal favors to Mr. Erdogan and President Xi Jinping of China.


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Such concern about corruption! Just wow. Drip.....drip....drip....



Here's a link: NYT Full Story


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loonlakelaborcamp(3 A/B)

Turkey tried repeatedly, I guess that means President Trump didn't bite. Good for him.

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numbersjunkie

If he didn't bite, it's probably because they weren't offering enough. Drip....drip....drip

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Kathy

Who knows if he bit. Look what he did to the Kurds.

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Toby

Didn't bite? Did you miss the last paragraph? A little bolding may help.

Mr. Erdogan’s influence campaign is now under scrutiny again in
Washington, following the disclosure that Mr. Trump’s former national
security adviser, John R. Bolton, reported in his forthcoming book his
concern that the president was effectively granting personal favors to
Mr. Erdogan and President Xi Jinping of China
.

Does anyone know what those personal favors to Erdogan and Xi might have been? Or can we have a working link if the info is in the story?

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numbersjunkie

Sorry about the link - here it is for those who can get through the paywall

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/us/politics/bolton-book-trump-china-turkey.html



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Toby

Similar to what he's done with Russia, he may be using sanctions (and their removal) for his own personal benefit. This is why there needs to be limits on the power of the presidency.

The Justice Department has disputed Mr. Bolton’s account.
But on Tuesday, top Democrats seized on the suggestions of meddling in
the Halkbank and ZTE cases as fresh evidence that Mr. Trump, whose
family enterprise has extensive business ties to Turkey and also has considered building new towers in China and expanding in other areas, was using the presidency to enrich himself and his family.

Former foreign policy officials — including some who served in
Republican administrations — said in interviews that Mr. Trump plays an
unusual and at times disturbing role in high-profile criminal and
sanction cases involving foreign governments.

But couldn't we foresee this when he changed the Russian platform during his 2016 campaign? I ran across the following from July 2016 while refreshing my memory. Interesting that he has always been against giving aid to Ukraine. We now know why.

The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the
new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to
fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all
Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.

Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for
supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led
intervention. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

Still,
Republican delegates at last week’s national security committee
platform meeting in Cleveland were surprised when the Trump campaign
orchestrated a set of events to make sure that the GOP would not pledge
to give Ukraine the weapons it has been asking for from the United
States.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Does anyone know what those personal favors to Erdogan and Xi might have been? Or can we have a working link if the info is in the story?

Below is a story from Nov about Bolton's reference to trump/family mixing his financial/personal interests with policy....

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/private-speech-bolton-suggests-some-trump-s-foreign-policy-decisions-n1080651


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Kathy

I have a feeling the autocrats Trump invites to the WH have done him an enormous personal favor, otherwise why would he enhance their position?

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Izzy Mn(4)

Trump did clear the us troops out of Northern Syria and left the Kurds. Have we forgotten that already.

---corrected pulled out of Syria (had Turkey)

Trump has business ties in Turkey

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-business-ties-turkey-hotels-syria-2019-10

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elvis

Kathy

I have a feeling the autocrats Trump invites to the WH have done him an enormous personal favor

Of course you do.

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numbersjunkie

Elvis, are you sure there is no quid pro quo happening with these foreign countries that is benefiting Trump financially? Do you really believe he is acting only in the best interest of our country in not influenced by his own financial gain?

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Cookie8

"John R. Bolton, reported in his forthcoming book his
concern that the president was effectively granting personal favors to
Mr. Erdogan and President Xi Jinping of China
."

As soon as Bolton becomes involved I am back to square one on what to believe. Bolton is an evil man with an agenda, not to be trusted. I could never take what he says as truthful or the right side of the better for humankind. A warmongering chicken hawk.

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numbersjunkie

cookie, I agree he is a warmonger with an agenda. But he also has a reputation for being a straight shooter - from those on both sides of the aisle.

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elvis

Do you really believe he is acting only in the best interest of our country in not influenced by his own financial gain?

Why yes, yes I do believe that President Trump is acting only in the best interest of our country in not influenced by any possible, alleged, potential financial gain for himself.

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