New Kitchen Design - Cooking Areas, ventilation, and wall ovens
Christine M
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Wall ovens and ventilation
Comments (8)cheri127: Your goal is difficult to achieve without some sacrifice. Either a lot of air has to be moved in a short time (large ventilation system), or a large hood has to be used in close proximity to the oven (space, cost and aesthetic penalty), or you have to live with the delay of several house air replacements at whatever ventilation rate you can maintain. If you had a make-up air system dumping tempered make-up air into the living room such that it passed by the oven on the way to the cooktop ventilation hood, the odors would be reduced. Or, open the windows in remote parts of the house and run the kitchen ventilation at a high value while cooking, or at least when opening the oven door if the oven is a sealed type. Odors, like the fine particles one can see viewing tobacco smoke, diffuse through the air at an amazing speed, so the air flow rate (cfm) has to be high enough that the air velocity (feet/min) counteracts the diffusion of the odors. Else, one will be able to smell them until there is sufficient air exchange with fresh air. For example, assume odors have diffused equally into all parts of a house. Let the house have an air volume of, say, 30,000 cubic feet (floor space times ceiling height). Assume a kitchen ventilation hood with an actual full power flow of 1000 cfm. Then one full house air exchange occurs in 30 minutes. But this flow is only diluting the house air; the new air doesn't perfectly replace existing air. Hence, the odor only drops exponentially. Depending on the odor level, one might have to exhaust the house air 6 or more times, requiring 3 or more hours of ventilation, and requiring heating or cooling many of pounds of air. This is why energy costs are a much higher percentage of commercial kitchen operating costs than the dim lighting in the customer area of a restaurant might suggest. It is also why early odor capture is more efficient than later air replacement. kas...See MoreRange or Cook Top and Wall Ovens?
Comments (5)The Kitchen Forum is completely toast. They lost about 99% of thier threads. I had a similar trade study but in our case we were updating our kitchen, not doing a full remodel, nor designing a new house. At first I wanted to remove the wall oven and built in micro to make room for a small kitchen organization area. This would have meant removing a base cabinet to install a slide-in range. I even ordered (then later cancelled) the E'Lux induction slide in. The problem with this approach was the microware. The only place to put this was OTR and I wasn't crazy about giving up the vent hood. This also meant a lot of tear out. THEN... I found out about speed ovens and decided I needed one! So the only place to reasonable put a speed oven is in the wall (vice in an upper cabinet, my wife is vertically challenged). So we're back to cooktop, vent hood, and wall mounted ovens. The ovens will likely be the E'Lux Icon Designer wall oven and nearly matching speed oven. In our case the benefits were less cabinet rework, an oven a little higher off the ground thana range, room for a speedoven, keeping (updating) the vent hood and the added vertical space over the cooktop, better venting, hopfully nicer backsplash. If there is just the 2 of you, you might want to look into speedovens. Miele, E'lux, GE make em. Thermador as a 30" wall over that adds microwave. Must be the largest speedoven out there....See MoreWall oven without a million cooking modes?
Comments (24)Philwojo: I so didn't mean to make "a mountain out of a mole hill"! ;) Yet clearly I don't understand all that modern ovens can do. Thanks for filling in some of the gaps. Plllog: I love the interface of the Gaggenau combi steam oven - it is very simple and intuitive despite all of the options. I think they did a great job making the interface user friendly. I haven't bought the Miele yet and am keeping my eyes out for a newer floor model/discounted 24" Gaggenau combi steam with a left hinge, which would fit our current space. The current Miele combi steam is $3500 compared to $6800 for the Gaggenau combi steam which tips the balance toward the Miele (tradeoffs!). Rococogirl: Ah, I see the difference. The showroom person said it was the 'regular oven' mode without convection. I see that is not exactly the case. I do like the blend of classic and modern in my two appliances choices and am super excited about the Lacanche. I got the electric oven with the Lacanche which comes with a convection toggle switch so even the Lacanche will have more features than anything I've used before!...See Morenew kitchen- need wall oven strategy!
Comments (2)We have not started our remodel yet, but as an avid cook thinking (dreaming!) about new appliances while cooking daily, I would definitely opt for a 2nd oven over a warming drawer. Good 2nd ovens would have low temps to keep plates/food warm so seem a lot more flexible and functional. Gaggenau ovens seems to be top end and have side opening doors. My dream is to have a double oven made up of a 1) Gag steam and 2) Gag convection oven, so maybe I'm projecting! :) We are only two people but I find in the winters we are often cooking two items that require different temperatures (e.g. bread and a slow braise) so to us a double oven will be well worth it, esp. with a steam oven which is relatively small and great for reheating. Wolf is another oven brand I hear consistently good things about but they are not side opening as far as I know. We'll probably also have a small microwave but I hardly use ours now - mostly for boiling water and I hope to have a hot water tap as part of the kitchen sink so I can't really advise on that account. Hope this helps. Good luck....See Morekaseki
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