Good interview with a real Republican

cattyles

This is a short read and very interesting. It’s heartening to hear from a member of the (former) Grand Old Party.


Intro: REAGAN'S SOLICITOR GENERAL SAYS 'ALL HONORABLE PEOPLE' HAVE LEFT TRUMP'S CABINET: 'HE IS CAPABLE OF DOING SERIOUS DAMAGE'“


Interview of Charles Fried



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bleusblue2

for those who didn't read to the end:

Some argue the allegations haven't been adequately proven.

I don't understand how much more proof you want. But, in any event, additional proof is available. It's just that the president will not supply it. That is an additional grounds for impeachment. He has issued blanket orders not to cooperate in any respect by anyone. Now there are all kinds of valid privileges. And those could be invoked. But a blanket privilege because this is an "illegitimate process"? Well, he doesn't get to say that. That blanket order is itself an impeachable abuse of power.

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catkinZ8a

TRUTH:

The whole sham impeachment carp is not about convicting President Trump, it's a distraction to protect themselves--to keep the American pubic from learning the truth about all of their crimes.

They need to try and keep it in the news cycle and they're in trouble.

Prove the guilt.

Show the evidence.

Provide the documentation.

They can't do it.

Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Watch Leftists project!

Then they will self-destruct.


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catkinZ8a



PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.

By KENNETH P. VOGEL and DAVID STERN

01/11/2017 05:05 AM EST

Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.

Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelligence officials. They reportedly briefed Trump last week on the possibility that Russian operatives might have compromising information on the president-elect. And at a Senate hearing last week on the hacking, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said “I don't think we've ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election process than we've seen in this case.”

There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country — not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia — would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country’s election. And President Petro Poroshenko’s administration, along with the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, insists that Ukraine stayed neutral in the race.


Yet Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the race that appears to strain diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections.

Russia’s meddling has sparked outrage from the American body politic. The U.S. intelligence community undertook the rare move of publicizing its findings on the matter, and President Barack Obama took several steps to officially retaliate, while members of Congress continue pushing for more investigations into the hacking and a harder line against Russia, which was already viewed in Washington as America’s leading foreign adversary.

Ukraine, on the other hand, has traditionally enjoyed strong relations with U.S. administrations. Its officials worry that could change under Trump, whose team has privately expressed sentiments ranging from ambivalence to deep skepticism about Poroshenko’s regime, while sounding unusually friendly notes about Putin’s regime.

Poroshenko is scrambling to alter that dynamic, recently signing a $50,000-a-month contract with a well-connected GOP-linked Washington lobbying firm to set up meetings with U.S. government officials “to strengthen U.S.-Ukrainian relations.”

Revelations about Ukraine’s anti-Trump efforts could further set back those efforts.

“Things seem to be going from bad to worse for Ukraine,” said David A. Merkel, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council who helped oversee U.S. relations with Russia and Ukraine while working in George W. Bush’s State Department and National Security Council.

Merkel, who has served as an election observer in Ukrainian presidential elections dating back to 1993, noted there’s some irony in Ukraine and Russia taking opposite sides in the 2016 presidential race, given that past Ukrainian elections were widely viewed in Washington’s foreign policy community as proxy wars between the U.S. and Russia.

“Now, it seems that a U.S. election may have been seen as a surrogate battle by those in Kiev and Moscow,” Merkel said.


Full:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

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catkinZ8a

Crooked Biden's conflict of interest problem was yuge.

Hey Kerry, how you doin'?

How's your step son doin'?

ENTER THE IMPEACHMENT SHAM.

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maddie260

Just saying: when threads are inundated, and it frequently happens, with long cut and paste articles instead of the link, I have NO interest. I have little interest in reading someone's cut and paste. If that person chose to highlight one or two sentences, that would suffice; then, a link would be great. The whole cut and paste, not so much.

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maddie260

Laura Ingraham: surely, one can do better than do her? hahaha- she is a bonafide nut job

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lurker111

All of the anti-Trump propaganda on this forum is cut and paste.

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lurker111

But a blanket privilege because this is an "illegitimate process"? Well,
he doesn't get to say that. That blanket order is itself an impeachable
abuse of power.

Nonsense.

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dandyfopp

Thanks for the article Catt.


The first thing, which sets the context, is the rhetoric of the president, both when he was running and ever since. The famous statement that he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and get away with it. The assumption he makes is that by virtue of the November election of 2016, he has a mandate to be the leader of the country. The commander in chief of the country. The German word is fuhrer. The Italian word is duce.

He talks about loyalty. He asks for loyalty. To what? To him personally. Not to the law, which he is supposed to be faithfully executing. This comes up over and over again. Where an official—for instance, the whistleblower—following the law, performing a legally defined duty, following a chain of command, does something that undermines Trump's personal situation, he defines it as espionage, as sabotage. He looks back to the days when people could get shot for doing that.


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lurker111

More nonsense. Talk about rhetoric.

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cattyles

My favorite part:

I assume you think it was right to impeach Trump.

Indeed.

And that he should be removed?

Indeed.

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Del Phinium

cattyles

"My favorite part:

I assume you think it was right to impeach Trump.

Indeed.

And that he should be removed?

Indeed."

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My favorite part of the article in the OP is where it says that the (selected) excerpts were edited, lol. Did you happen catch that too, cattyles?


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dandyfopp

Yeah I am certain Newsweek put words in his mouth and misconstrued all his conclusions.

VIDEO: https://twitter.com/DebraFBloom/status/1182464040104333313

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Iris GW

Yeah, they probably edited his "indeed" from his original "no way!", right Del?

(sarcasm)

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leona_2008

Thanks, Catty. That's like a tall glass of ice water when your throat is parched.

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queenmargo

The thing is, edited is edited, and we have no way of knowing what was edited. After all it is left wing propaganda. Just a tricky little way around things in case they get caught for printing mis information.

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Del Phinium

Check out what happens when I edit the excerpts myself:

"I assume you think it was right to impeach Trump."

"No."

"And that he should be removed?"

"No."

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^ Amazing, right?!

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zmith

It's not amazing. Fox takes those kinds of editorial liberties every.single.day.

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Del Phinium

Deflecting to bash Fox? Yawn.

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leona_2008

What? Charles Fried hasn't been crucified yet? Are we making progress?

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cattyles

I’m pretty sure Fried will wear it as a badge of honor.

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cattyles

You’re welcome, trump supporters. Be sure you don’t consider, not even for a second, the intelligent conservative voices from the shredded remains of the GOP.

Don’t ever let reasoned independent thinkers distract you from attack mode. Go, fight, win. Rah rah rah!

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chipotle

At least they've moved on from calling any dissenting voice a RINO. Must be because they realize the truth that lives in his words.

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adoptedbyhounds

"What? Charles Fried hasn't been crucified yet?"

Of course not. This is America, where people get to disagree.

Although one should be aware that one of Bernie's organizers has been talking about re-education camps. Wonder if that man scares Mr. Fried.

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Kathy

Speaking of keeping impeachment in the news—-Trump had historical number of tweets yesterday. He’s paddling fast to distract. He even spoke how he would cut Medicare and SS by end of the year.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

He even spoke how he would cut Medicare and SS by end of the year.

Really? Trump better be careful, that's his primary support audience.

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queenmargo

Since when is pointing out that things in an article are "edited" nitpicking, LOL ?

I guess the FACTS are not so important now lol lol lol

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Iris GW

The thing is, edited is edited, and we have no way of knowing what was edited.

Like Trump's phone call transcript?

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Del Phinium


Iris GW

"Like Trump's phone call transcript?"

^ More deflection, lol. Pretty sure there are already a couple of other threads on that, Iris.

Any excuse or opportunity to bash Trump lol. Never gets old

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Kathy

Trump loves the attention. That’s why he tweets hundreds of times a day.

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chipotle

Del Phinium



Any excuse or opportunity to bash Trump lol. Never gets old


Wrong on both counts. It's called speaking the truth.

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adoptedbyhounds

"Like Trump's phone call transcript?"

Iris, this bizarre "system" of memorializing phone calls by individuals writing down what they heard rather than taping them didn't begin with President Trump. It goes back to the Nixon era and some missing or erased tapes. Perhaps our electeds need to rethink the practice of not recording certain calls. Blaming Trump for not producing a recorded transcript when one was not made seems unreasonable to me.

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aegis1000

catkinZ8a

"Crooked Biden's conflict of interest problem was yuge.

Hey Kerry, how you doin'?

How's your step son doin'?

ENTER THE IMPEACHMENT SHAM."

Any Hunter Biden issues have existed since 2015, when he joined Burisma's board.

Interestingly, nobody, including Republicans, made much of it ... UNTIL Joe Biden became Trump's most likely opponent in 2020. Though Republicans wielded power ... in Congress, and, from 2017, in the presidency ... there was no attention paid to a so-called Hunter Biden issue ... UNTIL Joe announced his run.

Same for Kerry's ... and Peolsi's kids.

Realistically, no Republican has any moral ground on which to stand in this, given Trump's dilettante daughter's presence in his circle of advisers, along with her ghoulish husband ... AND the questionable business advantages they have received (i.e. Ivanka's 7 Chinese patents) ... since Trump became president ...

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Nana H

Nobody will ever convince me that Joe Bden did anything illegal or inappropriate regarding Ukraine nor has one hard fact or piece of evidence been offered that he did.

The Senate is full.of Senators, on both sides, who know and respect Joe. What they are allowing be done to him is reprehensibke and I hope enough of them pay the price in November.

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Del Phinium

Nana H

"Nobody will ever convince me that Joe Bden did anything illegal or inappropriate regarding Ukraine"

Well, it's a good thing that you're not part of the impartial jury, if Biden gets called to testify. SMH

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lurker111

lol

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Nana H

I don't recall taking an oath to be impartial. Clearly you didn't either.

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Del Phinium

Nana H

"I don't recall taking an oath to be impartial. Clearly you didn't either."

So, if you'd taken an oath, you'd be impartial? But, since it's just HT, you won't? LOL

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Nana H

That's right. Why is that a difficult concept? HT, is, hardly a place for impartiality.

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Del Phinium

In other words, if you swore not to lie, your approach would be different. Wow. That says a lot. Thank you for clarifying.

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queenmargo

OH, so much adieu about nothing. Del was just pointing out that it is a good thing she is not on an impartial jury. It is good! She is not impartial. Why all the ta do?

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Nana H

Huh? What on earth does taking an oath of impartiality have to do with lying?

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Nana H

"OH, so much adieu about nothing. Del was just pointing out that it is a
good thing she is not on an impartial jury. It is good! She is not
impartial. Why all the ta do?"

First of all there isn't any " adieu" and secondly she was not talking about her impartiality, she was talking about mine. Any thought of impartiality on a forum like this is silly...as is this exchange.

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queenmargo

First of all there isn't any " adieu" and secondly she was not talking about her impartiality, she was talking about mine. Any thought of impartiality on a forum like this is silly...as is this exchange.

LOL- do you not see how funny this is?

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