POTUS' EO On Religious LIBERTY Provides Guidance 4 Prayer In Schools

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Trump protecting public school prayer is 'beginning of the end of war on faith'

By Caleb Parke





President Trump's executive order on religious liberty, which provides new guidance regarding prayer in public schools, is "the beginning of the end of the war on faith," Dr. Robert Jeffress told Fox News.


"It's a right that's been under assault from groups like the Freedom From Religion Foundation and liberal courts as well," Jeffress, who is senior pastor of First Baptist Dallas, said on "Fox & Friends" Friday.


"I don't think it's any exaggeration at all to say, 'No president in history has been a greater champion for religious liberty both in America and around the world than President Donald Trump," he added.


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Fox News contributor Jonathan Morris agreed, adding there's "also been this very strong push to make us think that somehow the separation of church and state means we have to hide our faith," which he added is "not American and not constitutional."


On Thursday, commemorating National Religious Freedom Day, Trump hosted a group of Christian, Jewish and Muslim students and teachers, all faiths that have been discriminated against for expressing their religion at school, and signed the new guidance.


On Thursday, commemorating National Religious Freedom Day, Trump hosted a group of Christian, Jewish and Muslim students and teachers, all faiths that have been discriminated against for expressing their religion at school, and signed the new guidance.


Although students are allowed to meet and pray on school grounds, the Supreme Court banned school-sponsored prayer in public schools in a 1962 decision, saying it violated the First Amendment.


Trump said public schools too often stop students from praying and sharing their faith, adding the government must "never stand between the people and God."


"It is totally unacceptable," Trump said. "You see it on the football field. You see it so many times where they are stopped from praying and we are doing something to stop that."


In addition to the updated guidance on prayer in schools, the Trump administration also took action across nine federal agencies, releasing proposed rules to ensure religious organizations are not discriminated against by the federal government.


The White House Office of Management and Budget will also direct federal agencies to ensure states and other recipients of federal grants don't engage in religious discrimination.


https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/trump-prayer-school-public-guidance

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Kathy

All religious prayers or only certain prayers?

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,maifleur,others(8a)

The only thing I’ve ever seen anyone try to restrict on the football field are players’ touchdown celebrations and taking a knee during the anthem.

Kids are NOT prevented from praying at school or hosting religious study groups, and teachers/administrations should NOT have any roll in creating those opportunities.

Once again, we see an example of “create a problem (in this case imaginary religious suppression), sell the solution (a silly executive order that changes absolutely nothing).”

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Kathy

There are Bible groups and other religious groups that meet after school in some areas. I agree the teacher should not be involved in leading prayer in a classroom as part of curriculum.

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ubro(2a)

Religion belongs at home. The school is not the place to teach your personal faith, that is your job as a parent, if you can't bother then too bad.

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blfenton

So it's going to be okay for Muslims to bring their prayer mats to school and take time out to pray 5 times a day?

Yea, I thought not.

There are probably 200 religions practiced in the US. Just how will this be fit into the schools?

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bleusblue2

blfenton

So it's going to be okay for Muslims to bring their prayer mats to school and take time out to pray 5 times a day?

Yea, I thought not.

There are probably 200 religions practiced in the US. Just how will this be fit into the schools?

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Sure -- Scientologists will want to opt out of that classroom prayer meeting. Maybe they'll be bullied on the playground because they aren't Christian. Same goes for the Muslim kids. Is it religion in the schools or is it Christianity, the State Religion???

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margaritadina

''blfenton

So it's going to be okay for Muslims to bring their prayer mats to school and take time out to pray 5 times a day?

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Don't think so. Countries where Islam is a leading religion don't advance because they pray too many times a day - as one of the reasons. The US meat processing conveyor line or UPS deliveries can't be interrupted three times during business day.

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terezosa / terriks

You know what? You can pray at home, at church, on the bus, in the car, walking down the street, at a bar, sitting on the beach, in a library, at a football game, or even silently to yourself and God in a classroom. We don't need organized Christian prayer in schools.

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margaritadina

Yes, we do.

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ubro(2a)

Don't think so. Countries where Islam is a leading religion don't advance because they pray too many times a day - as one of the reasons. The US meat processing conveyor line or UPS deliveries can't be interrupted three times during business day.

And yet religious freedom is for all, not just those you agree with. If a person stands for religious freedom they then cannot say except for..........( insert your favourite go to religion).

FYI school is not a business, and if you don't want it interrupted for religious prayer 3 times a day, too bad, one religion is just as valid as another. Those who practice the Islam religion may very well think that the time spent in prayer is more valuable to them and their children than the subject they would be missing.

Therefor, IMO no religion belongs in school unless you are willing to accept them all.

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terezosa / terriks

You
know what? You can pray at home, at church, on the bus, in the car,
walking down the street, at a bar, sitting on the beach, in a library,
at a football game, or even silently to yourself and God in a classroom.
We don't need organized Christian prayer in schools.


And Muslims? What about their call to prayer 5x/day?

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ubro(2a)

And Muslims? What about their call to prayer 5x/day?

Nothing wrong with it, if you believe in freedom of religion all religions get respected and the fact that one demands more prayer than another is not a factor. You cannot start picking and choosing which religion you will accept in the school and which you will not, that is not freedom.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,maifleur,others(8a)

Read for comprehension.

Look at the photos of the event.

Islam is included in this EO.

ETA: this comment was made in response to comments that are now gone.

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Delilah66

Religious freedom doesn’t extend to “get out of work and still get paid”. Many Muslims figure out how to pray and still meet their work obligations. If Muslim parents want their children to pray during classes, they’ll have to send them to a private school that will allow it or they can excuse themselves and go to a private place, but class won’t stop for them to pray.

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Chi

So based on some posters here, they aren't celebrating freedom of religion. They are celebrating freedom of Christianity. All other religions don't seem to be welcome. Sad.

This is exactly why church and state need to be separate. Because some people can't stand the idea of others practicing religions they don't agree with. And when you add legislation into the mix, it leads to discrimination.

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Delilah66

Some posters here don’t get the difference between freedom of religion and meeting their obligations at work and school. Workers and kids want to pray? They can. Will workers get paid for time not on the job? No. Will kids miss class, but be given special make-up time. No.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_1064761

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elvis

Fox News contributor Jonathan Morris agreed, adding there's "also been this very strong push to make us think that somehow the separation of church and state means we have to hide our faith," which he added is "not American and not constitutional."


On Thursday, commemorating National Religious Freedom Day, Trump hosted a group of Christian, Jewish and Muslim students and teachers, all faiths that have been discriminated against for expressing their religion at school, and signed the new guidance.

Until we can look at the text of the EO, there isn't much to discuss. I am sure that it applies to all religions.

blfenton

So it's going to be okay for Muslims to bring their prayer mats to school and take time out to pray 5 times a day?

Fenton, I don't know how much detail is in that EO. However, the prayer breaks don't take long, and generally only one would be required during the school day. Several public schools already accommodated this. Great idea, IMO. Here's a link to an informative article: https://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/Muslim-Prayer-in-Schools-Religion-Students/2015/03/25/id/634403/

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batyabeth

"Is it religion in the schools or is it Christianity, the State Religion???"

Aaaaand there you have it.

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patriciae_gw(07)

Does any of this link to the actual executive order?

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blfenton

elvis - Thanks for the link. Five schools isn't many and lots of controversy at them all.

Here appears to be a summary of trumps EO

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-safeguarding-right-religious-freedom-students-organizations/

What I don't understand is that it appears he has already signed other so-called religious freedom/liberty executive orders. Are these all just photo ops of the same thing? It looks like he signed one in 2017 and 2018 - trying to keep the base happy?

This appears to be a way of tearing down the rights of the LGBTQ community.

I can't wait for the Wiccans (an officially recognized religion in the US) to stir the pot.

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Ziemia(6a)

Delilah - your article predates this EO and thus explains little.

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Ziemia(6a)

"Trump said public schools too often stop students from praying and sharing their faith, adding the government must "never stand between the people and God."

From DeVos's doc

"For example, it would be lawful for schools to excuse Muslim students from class to enable them to fulfill their religious obligations to pray during Ramadan."

https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/religionandschools/prayer_guidance.html

Creationism gets an A+?

"Students may express their beliefs about religion in homework, artwork, and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious perspective of their submissions."

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Jenn TheCaLLisComingFromInsideTheHouse(5)

Scientologists pray...that they can 'get their stats up' before someone writes something called a "knowledge report" which is basically someone around the person snitches on them in written format and if the stuff that the snitch reported was severe enough or you had multiple snitch reports (not necessarily from the same snitch though) you would get sent to RPF - Rehabilitation Project Force. RPF is basically Scientology prison, where you have to clean toilets amongst other menial tasks, have to eat whatever is left after the 'good' Scientologists have finished (those 'good' Scientologists might leave their plate on the cafeteria style table with a crust of bread or some meager morsel on it, some of them take some sadistic pleasure in only eating a bit before going to the trash and scraping the rest off their place into the bin while the RPF'd people wait, required to look at the floor because they're being punished, and have to clean the tables and other areas of the cafeteria - *while* trying to scavenge what's been left on a tray or a plate, but they're only allowed the food they find in those two locations even though there might be ample quantities left over it has to go back to the kitchen where it is generally disposed of but RPF's are not permitted to eat from that. RPF's commonly do endless drudge work for 14/16 hours a day, cannot take a bathroom break during all that time, then must go sleep on the concrete floor of a room designated for RPF's - without a blanket or a pillow - and it doesn't matter if the person is pregnant either. This could last a week, or continue for months. That kind of human interaction and food deprivation, long hours of forcible labor where you're required to ignore something as simple yet necessary bodily function such as needing to urinate?

Nobody should ever become a Scientologist. Scientology isn't a church or a religion, it's a greed-scam created by a guy who was a terrible science fiction writer, lied about pretty much his entire autobiographical stuff, from rather odd childhood accomplishments like meeting an 'Indian Chief' who made him part of their tribe, and into advanced degrees and an astonishing variety of different careers in which he claimed to have set records in achievements...when he decided what would *really* bring a 'crapton' of money, which would all go directly to his greedy hands (but he never bothered to use some of it to fix his mouth full of rotting teeth!) was 'creating a new ...religion/space aliens/this-word-doesn't-actually-mean-what-the-dictionary-says-it-means/non-scientologists give you cooties so you have to abandon them even if they're family you can never speak to them again!...' scam.

Scientology doesn't deserve their tax exempt status (they achieved it through nefarious means anyway) and are *not* a religion so Scientologists don't qualify for any sort of religious liberty. They send scientology kids to scientology schools - judging from the nonsense that Will and Jada Smith's children have a habit of claiming is proof that their scientology-school-education is superior to actual school - homeschool, public/private campus-based school, whatever. Those kids didn't get an education at their scientology-so-called-school, they got...something...but it's not actually education in the slightest.

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blfenton

"Students may express their beliefs about religion in homework, artwork, and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious perspective of their submissions."

But what happens if there is no religious component to the assignment and some over=zealous parent decides that little Johnny should shove his ideology into it anyway. What happens if the teacher ignores or worse, marks him down for it. Is little Johnny's family then going to cry discrimination and sue the teacher, the school, the school board, the........

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