What roses make for great standards (weeping or lollipop)?
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Comments (27)Hi, Friends, This is many years later.... but I ordered a Pink Weeping Tree Rose from Direct Gardens. ( same rose tree photo as Burpee, H Wesley and a lot of nurseries all connected. I researched and it appears it may be “Aloha, Climbing. ( Boerner bred) rose grafted on a tree root stem. I live in 6b zone. It grew very vigorously, very fragrant, beautiful, hardy, and Its been in ground for now its 2nd winter. It was beautiful for blooms after 1 year this summer 2020. They have same @Pink Weeping Tree Rose photo on Ad this year 2021 in all catalogs and on websites. I am very happy with it. I am hoping I named it correctly as “Aloha,” since they won’t identify name. Direct-Gardening photo for Ad, but my rose that I ordered from them doesn’t look like this photo or fit it’s description as a “mini grafted bush.) My Pink Weeping Tree Rose ordered from Direct-Gardening looks like my photos below... 5inch huge diameter blooms, glossy leaves, vigorous growing of course because it has been grafted from a climber. I still need to stake it this spring. I expect it to grow large since it’s from a climber.. It would be more hardy than a Weeping Tree rose with mini roses on it. Weeping Tree roses are either grafted from a climber or ground cover rose. For those of us with snow zones 6, 5, 4 and colder I would look for hardy varieties of Weeping Tree roses. I have a Wedding Dress Tree Rose, with mini white blooms, but it does well on side of home, it’s warmer and blocked from wind. A butterfly bush is next to it giving it more shelter. I find foliage of other plants give them protection in winter, too. I just have good mulch around it’s roots and that is it. I find my whole garden bed next to home gets less snow and is warmer on this sunny side. Great place for my roses....See Moremaking an own-root weeping standard.
Comments (12)Mermaid does not "weep" at all. Indeed, I tie the canes to the playhouse where I want them to be. (I want the playhouse to disappear, lol). It would seem to me that you could probably never have an "own root" weeping standard, on second thought. If the canes were lax enough to weep, then it would be hard to get them to form something stiff enough to form the trunk portion. Better off probably taking your weeping rose and grafting it at the top of a rooted something else that you want to get rid of in that spot. And really folks, grafting is not all that difficult -- just try it. You could do it on something already growing on that piece of ground. Or just use a not-particularly-liked vigorous rose already in your yard for practice. But it has to be vigorously growing -- half dead will not work. Here is a link that might be useful: how to graft a rose video...See MoreWeeping Standards - recommendations?
Comments (12)You could well be correct Nadia. 90 cms does not make a weeper. If you want a feature, get a Std.Seduction, but don't let anything grow taller, else it will no longer be a feature. Go to 1.2M Iceberg for a good result. Weepers were meant to be on 1.8M understock. GENUINE weepers will grow maybe 30 cms higher than that, and trail long tendrils to the ground. The Wichuriana hybrids were used for this purpose, not repeat bloomers. The demand for repeat bloomers has caused some growers to put what are really shrubs on 1.5/1.8M stock. In the case of Iceberg, these end up looking like pins. Extending to the likes of Sea Foam, Crepuscule, is a partial remedy, but these are really shrubs, so what I have described as the "weeping" effect is lost. These cultivars want to grow up, not hang down. They are not as naturally lax as the Wichurianas. It's a bit like calling the procumbent shrubs "groundcovers". For genuine groundcovers, we need again the Wichurianas. Renae makes a good groundcover as does any rambling rose, such as Immensee, Weisse Immensee, Repandia, Heidekonigen, otherwise known as Partridge, Grouse, Pheasaant, and some forgotten name of a game bird. I have tried Heideschnee and Heidesommer on standard. Not vigorous enough. Don't know Diamant. I regularly use Hybrid Musks on 1.5M sticks. Kathleen, Cornelia, Penelope, Buff Beauty. Still not weepers, but fragrant reliable repeaters. Renae makes a good weeper on 1.5M stocks. A problem for the public is that they see what is being mass produced and sold in the market place. Roses that sell themselves, like Iceberg, and Crepuscule. I never try and match these growers. With a little imagination, and dare I say experience, one can offer excellent alternatives, if the public only see our list. Hard to compete with the price-takers and the mass exposure of the chains. But we get by on quality and innovation....See MoreA while back there was a thread about weeping roses.
Comments (7)I have taken about 20 pieces of some overgrown multiflora, before digging it out and discarding it. The pieces are about 70cm long, and i bundled them together and planted in soil in a large pot. They are putting out leaves and appear to have some root growth. I might try the same with Dr Huey, as I seem to have a number of plants around the place from the previous owner's roses. I quite like DH in bloom, so they have evaded the axe :-) I would be interested in some advice re grafting if any one is up to it, otherwise i guess i will dig out a book on the subject. I particularly want to know how you deal with all the leaf growth on the actual root stock. Cheers, Jan...See MoreVaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
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