Trump's dream team

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dandyfopp

Yep.


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zmith

Boy, they, Bondy and Parnas, sure have lots of pictures.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Don't blame Parnas, he's just a naturally photogenic guy.

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dandyfopp

It makes perfect sense that Donnie would use Epsteins lawyers.

Birds of a feather.

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dandyfopp

Awful and perfect.


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Michele

I unfollowed hot topics as a New Years gift to myself. I just couldn’t help myself when I heard this. My stomach turns. Dershowitz. Best buds with Rudy. Oh my! Birds of a feather. ( No offense to birds. )

These swamp creatures!!! Defenders of pedophiles. Wow. Yeah! Keep on keeping on. trump. Yup. Is that bar ever going to reach bottom? I’m really sickened by it.


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woodnymph2_gw

I guess we should not be shocked by this. But, strangely, I am. Ditto what Michele wrote, ad nauseam.

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Nana H

I'm just relieved Jordan, Meadows et al won' t be part of it. Maybe now I can stomach watching some of it.

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dandyfopp

Considering what Donnie is nothing he does surprises me, the surprise was that people try to ignore or wish it away.



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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Parnas is the Zelig of Trump's Ukraine scandal.

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paprikash

Will the defense lawyers have a parade like the House managers did or is it only the democrat clowns who get to prance into the Senate chamber? I’ll have to set my dvr Tuesday.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

Monica Lewinsky had the best response when she heard that Ken Starr was on the team:

this is definitely an “are you f***ing kidding me?” kinda day.

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chipotle

Jerzeegirl, I loved that every time I saw it retweeted!

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dandyfopp

Guys this is what the kids call a self-own.


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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Oh boy.

And the trial starts when?

Which side is better prepared, I wonder?

ETA just read this from NPR.org:

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/17/797475291/lawyer-alan-dershowitz-draws-line-on-his-role-in-trump-impeachment-defense

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Iris GW

From the NPR article above:

When President Trump's defense team delivers its opening statement in the Senate impeachment trial next week, famed defense attorney Alan Dershowitz will have a starring role.

But in an interview with NPR's Mary Louise Kelly on Friday, he sought to make clear that his involvement is limited to arguing that the two articles of impeachment do not satisfy the constitutional criteria for removing the president from office.

"I will not be involved in arguing the facts, nor will I be part of the defense team in the sense of strategy on the facts. My role is limited. I am doing precisely the same thing I would be doing had Hillary Clinton — who I voted for — been elected president and had the Republicans try to impeach her," Dershowitz told All Things Considered.

Dershowitz often defends Trump on television, and wrote a book in 2018 called The Case Against Impeaching Trump. He described himself as a liberal Democrat who doesn't agree with Trump's policies on immigration, health care, abortion and other issues.

"But I have never allowed partisanship or politics or my own personal views to intrude into principled decisions about what I will represent, who I will represent, what constitutional arguments I would make," he said.

One of his clients was convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, who authorities say killed himself in prison last year where he was awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges. One of Epstein's accusers has alleged she was forced to have sex with Dershowitz when she was underage — a charge that Dershowitz has denied. He and his accuser are suing each other for defamation.

Dershowitz said he flagged the issue to Trump and his defense team, who said "that it wouldn't influence the decision and that they're fully aware of the false accusations against me and they're fully aware of the role I played."

"As Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer and as O.J. Simpson's lawyer and as the lawyer for 250 people over a long, long, long career ... nobody who's an experienced lawyer comes on a blank slate," he said.


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Kitchenwitch111

Dershowitz and Starr are familiar celebrity lawyer names that Trump's base will recognize -- "Only the BEST people!". Everything is headline to Trump and his followers don't have to read any further. The Reality Show continues.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Ken Starr, Wow. Too bad there isn't a 3rd article of impeachment concerning Trump paying off his porn star, would like to see his defense presentation for that one alone.

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lily316

So the crook in the white house hires a gang of mafioso lawyers to defend the charges. Figures. What a cesspool!

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Embothrium(Sunset Climate Zone 5, USDA Hardiness Zone 8)

Bring back the swamp!

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Ann

I'm very glad Dershowitz will be addressing the constitutional criteria for removing a president. I've been hoping they'd add him to the team!

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

I'm very glad Dershowitz will be addressing the constitutional criteria for removing a president. I've been hoping they'd add him to the team!

I also watched the Dershowitz interview, he did not look like he even convinced himself with his own argument.

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lily316

Dershowitz's buddy was Jeffery Epstein. It's time to do some digging into what transpired between these two. What a cesspool of lawyers. No decent one would want to be on trump's side. trump called Star a raving lunatic and an idiot in a previous video.

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Michele

Repulsive. Every single one of them. Epstein and those involved in that depravity in any way shape or form are the lowest of the low. Where’s that maxwell? Why isn’t it behind bars? I don’t care what dershowitz says his role would be. he is slime

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Our president has succeeded in surrounding himself with sycophants and yes-people. Anyone who ever gave him advice he didn't like has been given the scrape.

A very stable genius indeed...

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chipotle

I also watched the Dershowitz interview, he did not look like he even convinced himself with his own argument.


Same with the interview he gave on Anderson Cooper last night.

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cattyles

On Anderson Cooper, it was obvious Toobin was thinking what Lewinsky tweeted. He finally just threw up his hands and shook his head in disbelief.

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lily316

I saw that on CNN. Toobin was a student of Alan's. Now he's waaaaaay smarter than his professor.

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Jenn TheCaLLisComingFromInsideTheHouse(5)

At first I wondered why Linda Tripp wasn't going to be part of the defense team...but then I remembered that she's rather unattractive in general and positively hideous when assessed for the superficial qualities that make a woman attractive according to Trump standards. So OF COURSE he would rather have to walk instead of use the golf cart to play through all EIGHTEEN(!!!!) holes, than have Linda Tripp on his defense team! The media would get images and video of his entire defense team, Trump simply cannot allow a hideous woman to be part of that team! There are simply some things he has never/will never do, and one of them is to let his name be sullied by even the most remote association with a horrifically ugly female.

;)

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paprikash

Our President has a great legal team. My condolences to the dems for having to name Nadler and Schiff to their team — 2 scuzzy weasels.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

RE: Dershowitz - never rule out the persuasive quality of dark money...

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lily316

Good old Alan was serviced by Epstein's young teens.

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paprikash

No Lily he was ACCUSED. He denied and it is UNPROVEN

eta. Why do dems like to ruin the lives and reputations of people without proof. Beyond Sad

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barncatz

Dershowitz has lied for Trump before and will again.


At times, Dershowitz’s defense of Trump put him in conflict with old comrades. In April, 2018, he accused Mueller, with no apparent evidence, of complicity in one of the worst scandals in F.B.I. history, in which four men in Boston were wrongly imprisoned for murder, in 1968, based on false testimony from a mafioso who was also an informant for the Bureau.

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As it happened, Nancy Gertner had been the presiding judge in the most expansive lawsuit in the case, in which representatives of the four framed men sued the federal government. On April 18th, she published an Op-Ed in the Times, noting that, in thousands of pages of court records, “there is no evidence that the assertion is true.” Gertner told me that she was dismayed by Dershowitz’s recent appearances: “He has squandered his position as a Harvard law professor and a civil libertarian—for the sole purpose of being on TV.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/05/alan-dershowitz-devils-advocate?verso=true

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

So it seems that ruining someone's life and reputation is beyond sad only when they are a certain kind of person...?

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chipotle

Applied a lot of pressure???




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Nana H

."Why do dems like to ruin the lives and reputations of people without proof. Beyond Sad"

There are no words

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

No words, just 1 - "trump"

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Dershowitz under pressure? Money bags too heavy or is Barr in the wings waiting to pounce on his previous Epstein deal? Trump is way too irresistible to not work for.

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paprikash

I agree, Nana — there are no words. Childish name calling is one thing (and I’m guilty of that) BUT pronouncing someone guilty of rape, child abuse, prostitution, etc. is unconscionable

eta You don’t know what you’re talking about, Neils. I do not believe Trump to be a saint, but he certainly isn’t the devil either. He just happened to win an election the democrats thought they had in the bag.

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paprikash

Get over it already and try and win the next election

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HU-699631886

Sad when intelligent people put all reasoning behind them in order to support

a con man president. Are those court appointments, many of them unqualified, really worth it???


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Iris GW

eta. Why do dems like to ruin the lives and reputations of people without proof.

Like Trump insisting that the Central Park Five in NY were guilty?

President Trump said on Tuesday that he would not apologize for his harsh comments in 1989 about the Central Park Five, the five black and Latino men who as teenagers were wrongly convicted of the brutal rape of a jogger in New York City.

Mr. Trump was asked about newspaper advertisements he bought back then calling for New York State to adopt the death penalty after the attack.

Like Trump insisting that Obama wasn't born in the US?

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HU-699631886

I guess ignorance is bliss

eta responding to the meme

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Delilah66

"...Invoking the Constitution’s lone provision for prematurely ending a President’s term, the House called for the Senate to convict President [Andrew] Johnson and remove him for committing “high crimes and misdemeanors.

"Most of the eleven articles of impeachment the House drafted accused President Johnson of violating a criminal statute that prohibited him from removing certain cabinet officials, but two charged him with delivering such “intemperate, inflammatory, and scandalous harangues” that they rose to the level of high misdemeanors....

"Then as now, there was an ongoing scholarly debate over the meaning of the phrase “high Crimes and Misdemeanors....

"Most people, including a majority of the House of Representatives, interpreted the phrase to refer not to literal crimes or misdemeanors but to any serious abuses of presidential power. This interpretation remains the dominant one 150 years later. In the words of Professor Laurence Tribe and Joshua Matz, the majority view is that a president can legally be impeached for “intentional, evil deeds” that “drastically subvert the Constitution and involve an unforgivable abuse of the presidency” — even if those deeds didn’t violate any criminal laws...."


https://harvardlawreview.org/2018/12/high-crimes-without-law/

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Jenn TheCaLLisComingFromInsideTheHouse(5)

...So we should just let him go on and keep doing all the things that go against the constitution, against everything this country has stood for and claims to represent, and the stuff that is legitimately-statutorily illegal but he can't technically be charged criminally for while he's still in office?

Yeah, that sounds like it would be totally okay.

/s

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Delilah66

"...An official such as the president does not need to take a special oath to become subject to the penalties of perjury. He took an oath, by Art. II Sec. 1 Cl. 8, to "faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States" and to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" to the best of his ability. While he holds that office, he is always under oath, and lying at any time constitutes perjury if it is not justified for national security.

"Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr erred in presenting in his referral only those offenses which could be "laid at the feet" of the president. He functioned like a prosecutor of an offense against criminal statutes that apply to ordinary persons and are provable by the standards of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt". That is not to say that such offenses are not also high crimes or misdemeanors when committed by an official bound by oath. Most such offenses are. But "high crimes and misdemeanors" also includes other offenses, applicable only to a public official, for which the standard is "preponderance of evidence". Holding a particular office of trust is not a right, but a privilege, and removal from such office is not a punishment. Disablement of the right to hold any office in the future would be a punishment, and therefore the standards of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" would apply before that ruling could be imposed by the Senate."

https://www.constitution.org/cmt/high_crimes.htm

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chipotle

eta. Why do dems like to ruin the lives and reputations of people without proof.

Like Trump insisting that the Central Park Five in NY were guilty?

Like Trump insisting that Obama wasn't born in the US?

Why do Republicans persist in defending the indefensible?

---Like Trump attacking war veterans like John McCain or Gold Star families

---Like every lie that Trump has ever told about someone

---Like Trump mocking the handicapped, women, children, et. al.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Why do dems like to ruin the lives and reputations of people without proof.

Does "lock her up" ring a bell?

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Certainly, it's not just Mr. Trump who has ruined lives and reputations - or at least attempted to. Plenty of those in his orbit are just as good at it.

And I don't think pointing out our president being abusive, dishonest and corrupt is unfairly smearing him, because it is true.

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Jennifer

Ditto, Michele.

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