Why aren't 2020 Dems recusing themselves from the Senate trial?

HU-885118952

If Trump is being impeached with the ultimate goal of removing him from office and the 2020 election race, why are 2020 Democrats permitted to hold his destiny in their hands, when they can realistically benefit from his removal?

The motivation is the same, is it not? If Trump wanted Ukraine to publicly investigate his 2020 rival for the express purpose of getting him out of the 2020 race, to his benefit, then how is this different?

Each 2020 Dem candidate who sits in judgement simply cannot deny that IF they vote guilty and Trump is removed, they will all but guarantee that their party will win the 2020 election, and be in power, if not further, they as and individual just might become the most powerful person on earth.

They have the power to remove the biggest obstacle to Democrats winning in 2020.

They must recuse. The conflict of interest is impeachable!

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Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, took a moment to remind voters and the mainstream media both of this staggering conflict of interest in a statement issued Wednesday – the same day the articles of impeachment were transmitted to the Senate.

From her statement:
“Tomorrow, one hundred United States Senators will be sworn in to serve in the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump. Four of those Senators must recuse themselves for their unparalleled political interest in seeing this President removed from office. These four Democrats, Senators Bennet, Klobuchar, Sanders, and Warren, cannot sit in judgment of the very President they seek to replace. To participate in this trial would be a failure of the oath they took to be an ‘impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws’. Their presidential ambitions prohibit their ability to view this trial through an objective lens.”

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HU-885118952

If the mainstream media journalists really are so concerned with how fair the Senate trial is going to be, they should ask these 4 Senators why they don’t hold themselves to the same standard Schumer demands of McConnell.

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51gerri

impartial justice is a joke. McConnell has made it clear that he's not impartial. many other republicans are the same. the republicans in the senate are too afraid of trump's nasty tweets and lies.

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HU-885118952

Pot. Kettle.

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Ziemia(6a)

Trump retaining his presidency hurts no Dem prez candidate.

So, ....

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elvis

Yes, HU952. Those presidential candidate should definitely recuse themselves if partisanship is such an issue.

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foodonastump

In which case all Senators who have a preference for which party wins the 2020 presidency, should recuse themselves. Now who’s left?

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Iris GW

So Trump's re-election campaigns and PACs should not be donating to any Senator's election campaign or fundraising on their behalf, right? That would be influencing the jury.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/31/trump-impeachment-senators-donor-062084

https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2019/10/31/trump-accused-of-bribery-after-urging-donors-to-support-senators-defending-him-against-impeachment/

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Izzy Mn(4)

It's the Republicans that are the issue. Only a few with a backbone to stand up and speak up regarding the lawlessness in the White House. They should be ashamed.

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paprikash

This entire impeachment is a sham. It was Pelosi’s partisan political putrid act along with her House democrat lemmings. There was NO bipartisanship. The dems are afraid of losing again next November and know their only hope is to get rid of our elected President. They and their supporters are pathetic excuses for American citizens.

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queenmargo

Recuse them ALL. Let the American people vote.

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foodonastump

Pap, you’re right, Bolton, Mulvaney, Giuliani, Trump, etc., were all such credible defense witnesses. How could the Dems impeach despite all that testimony? Crazy.

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paprikash

Executive privilege

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Chi

Pretty convenient. They ignore subpoenas then the right whines that all the evidence is second hand. Luckily most people are smart enough to see right through it.

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Iris GW

Let the American people vote.

Impeachment exists for a reason. It's to hold our president accountable without having to wait for the next election.

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paprikash

Smart enough?? LOL

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paprikash

It’s okay — the next democrat President will likely be impeached, too.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

"If Trump wanted Ukraine to publicly investigate his 2020 rival for the express purpose of getting him out of the 2020 race, to his benefit, then how is this different?"

Because it is against the law for Trump to solicit assistance/funds/interference in our elections/etc. FROM A FOREIGN COUNTRY.

American Democratic lawmakers voting for Democrats in the next election are breaking no law doing that.

That is the difference.

Kate

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Executive privilege

Not for committing crime(s).

the next democrat President will likely be impeached

Already happened; Clinton's impeachment was pay back for Nixon's impending impeachment.

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Ziemia(6a)

Many important federal decisions / changes aren't decided through elections.

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elvis

foodonastump

In which case all Senators who have a preference for which party wins the 2020 presidency, should recuse themselves. Now who’s left?

Saving this for use each and every time someone posts that McConnell should recuse himself.

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Chi

It’s okay — the next democrat President will likely be impeached, too.

If the next Dem president also asks Ukraine to investigate his or her main political rival, then immediately freezes aid until they comply, doesn't alert Congress and only releases it after the WB report comes out, then sure. Impeach!

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,maifleur,others(8a)

Is there any indication that the ultimate goal is removal from office?

And if that unlikely scenario occurs, do Republicans/conservatives have so little faith in another Republican candidate’s ability to win in 2020?

If the party policies are firm, and the goals are well defined, and candidates are committed to continuing on where Donald left off it doesn’t matter who’s at the helm does it? The President is a figure head for the nation but the real work is done in Congress. Moaning about “Democrats just want Trump out because they are scared he will win” really undermines the hard work done by Republican members of Congress, work that will continue (presumably) no matter who is the president.

Or am I mistaken in how the United States government works?

ETA in fact if Donald was removed I would think it improves Republican chances in 2020 but I can admit I am no strategist.

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queenmargo

And if that unlikely scenario occurs, do Republicans/conservatives have so little faith in another Republican candidate’s ability to win in 2020?

Trump is the candidate WE voted for. WE had 16 to choose from. We are not looking for a second place. WE understand what the liberal nasty HOUSE has done to Trump.


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Joaniepoanie

Trump did this to himself—-no one forced him to commit crimes, abuse power and obstruct justice. Dems have followed the Constitution. We wouldn’t be in this mess if Republicans had done the same from the get go.

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Delilah66

Let the American people vote.

Impeachment exists for a reason. It's to hold our president accountable without having to wait for the next election.”

Iris, why not let the American people vote in the impeachment trial? Let the popular vote drive him out.

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Delilah66

“ Saving this for use each and every time someone posts that McConnell should recuse himself.”

Sorry, it’s already copyright protected.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,maifleur,others(8a)

I don’t think removal is the goal or the expected outcome.

But if it happens, or if anything else occurs to render Trump incapable of continuing on as President, it is very interesting that there is no backup that the posters here can accept, since they are not interested in a second place finisher.

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Izzy Mn(4)

If it's a sham then let the people that have first hand knowledge testify as to what the "real" truth is, Pompano, Bolton, Mulvaney, Giuliani, Barr. Release the documents that have been subpoenaed since we keep hearing from the right that nothing was done that was illegal. Wouldn't that clear things up. Doing otherwise just confirms there is something to hide, obstruction and cover up.

Since there are complaints that everything was second hand (wasn't) bring forth those with first hand knowledge of what actually went on (hopefully they won't commit perjury) . Shine a light Donnie, go ahead. Maybe you can also testify while we are at it.

Show to us Donnie that you shouldn't be charged with obstruction and stop obstructing Congress. That'll show them.

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bothell

If particianship is an issue then all those republicans who have already declared Donnie innocent should be resigning from the senate. What that's not fair or acceptable to the Donnie dementia believers. Too bad.

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elvis

Show to us Donnie that you shouldn't be charged with obstruction and stop obstructing Congress. That'll show them.

You just don't get it. You have it backwards. Charges must be accompanied by proof. Unsubstantiated charges don't need a defense.

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foodonastump

Proof like every allowed witness corroborating the story?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

What about the senators who hope to ride Trump's coat tails to victory in November -- are they subject to recusal as well?

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Izzy Mn(4)

"You just don't get it. You have it backwards. Charges must be accompanied by proof. Unsubstantiated charges don't need a defense."

Charged/Impeached. Maybe now is the time to testify. Unless of course there is something to hide.

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patriciae_gw(07)

This is our system. It is our constitution. It is how the saintly revered founders set things up. Your beef is with them.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,maifleur,others(8a)

Many people have presented what they consider to be substantive evidence.

The defence may or may not present rebuttal evidence.

Unsubstantiated charges don’t go to trial, so we can only trust that the charges are substantiated.

If the defence does not choose to present rebuttal evidence, then the jury must make their decision based on the evidence they get from the prosecution.

If they see enough to convince them that the defendant has committed a crime, and if they are fair, they will bring a finding of guilt. If they do not see convincing evidence, they will bring a finding of innocence.

The defendant’s refusal to mount a defence is irrelevant to the proceedings.

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Iris GW

You just don't get it. You have it backwards. Charges must be accompanied by proof. Unsubstantiated charges don't need a defense.

Charges have been accompanied by proof. Now it's time for defense. Do you not understand how trials and juries work?

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foodonastump

Maybe now is the time to testify. Unless of course there is something to hide.


I doubt anyone needs reminders of Trump & assoc comments about not testifying, pleading the fifth, do they?


Saving this for use each and every time someone posts that McConnell should recuse himself.


That’s fine, Elvis, but please use it in context. It applies not to people who have preconceived notions but to people who have announced that they will not be impartial.


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adoptedbyhounds

The irony is that Dems twisted the Zelinsky/Trump phone call as an abuse of power against Biden...because Biden "is his political opponent." THAT was the pretext for their sham impeachment, and their pre-arranged, calculated abuse of power.

Fast forward, and now Dems have no problem with four political opponents of TRUMP sitting in judgment of their political opponent.

Having once been a Democrat, I am appalled and saddened by their antics. If not for double standards, they would have no standards.

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Stan Areted

If not for double standards, they would have no standards.

Sadly, that appears to be the case.

The hypocrisy is astounding, particularly in this situation.

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Iris GW

The irony is that Dems twisted the Zelinsky/Trump phone call as an abuse of power against Biden

Not against Biden. But an abuse of power of his office.

Dems have no problem with four political opponents of TRUMP sitting in judgment of their political opponent.

And Trump supporters have no problem with Republicans saying they plan to acquit him without even going through the process first. #ruleoflaw

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Fast forward, and now Dems have no problem with four political opponents of TRUMP sitting in judgment of their political opponent.

If those 4 demos had demanded that Ukraine investigate trump then you'd have a point.

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Toby

The phone call only brought it out into the open. What Trump said in the phone call isn't as damning as what he had Rudy engaged in as his personal attorney and the sworn testimony of our diplomats in the House hearings.

What is the "specific request" that Giuliani wanted to discuss with Zelensky as Trump's personal attorney in May 2019?


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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie,chase,maifleur,others(8a)

At this point, Donald Trump has ZERO election opponents.

The Democrats who are seeking the nomination are opposing EACH OTHER.

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elvis

foodonastump

Proof like every allowed witness corroborating the story?

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/story

a narrative, either true or fictitious, in prose or verse, designed to interest, amuse, or instruct the hearer or reader; tale. a fictitious tale, shorter and less elaborate than a novel. such narratives or tales as a branch of literature: song and story.

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foodonastump

Picking on the word I happened to use doesn’t change the situation any.

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patriciae_gw(07)

The truth is Trump wants to choose who he runs against and that person is not Joe Biden. He has shown a willingness to put weight on the scales by using Tax payer money to leverage a foreign country to announce an investigation of Biden. This is something we don't do and it is not for the benefit of the American people that he is doing this. That makes it an abuse of power. Are the conservatives reading here on board with all presidents doing this?

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