Parnas interview.

Kathy

Parnas admits he’s worked for Giuliani and Trump. the interview should be very interesting. There are documents, photos, and verification by Parnas. They knew Yovanovitch’s phone and computer were off. They watched her every move. She was the one looking into Ukraine corruption and that was a threat to them.

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Kathy

So much for Trump not knowing Parnas.

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Annie Deighnaugh

See the interview tonight at 9pm on TRMS.

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Kathy

Thanks Nancy, I was thinking I should have added that info,

I heard previews and it doesn’t sound good for Trump. I wouldn’t doubt the House keeps on with more investigations.

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Jennifer

Notice Fox isn’t mentioning the story. They’re busy talking about CNN not wanting Bernie.

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Delilah66

Parnas is a liar, correct?

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Kathy

Giving an interview like this can open himself up to new charges. He must really be sure he has told them everything already.

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Kathy

Parnas and his lawyer were up late last night transmitting documents to the House so they would get there before the impeachment articles were delivered to the Senate so they could be used as evidence.

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jerzeegirl (FL zone 9B)(9b)

This interview is fascinating. Sounds like Parnas knows where the bodies are buried.

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chipotle

Trump and Pence must be you know whating.

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chipotle

Hope Susan Collins is watching.

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gyr_falcon(Sunset 23)

Parnas and his lawyer were up late last night transmitting documents to the WH

You meant the house, not the White House, correct?

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chipotle

Barr was on the team? Tell me more, Lev.

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Kathy

Barr was part of the team. Seems they all used to meet in the bar at Trump Tower. One big happy family I would guess. Remember Barr cancelled his party at Trump Tower? It was a place they frequented along with Toensing and deGenova.

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Kathy

Thanks gyr, I corrected that.

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dandyfopp

Pence and Barr. 💕

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Nicole (CO Z5b)(5b)

For the twitter folks, #Maddow is killing it.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

Holee Mother Of Pearl


They were all in on it.

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dandyfopp

No wonder Mitch doesn't want to call witnesses.

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chipotle

Thank God for Pelosi's delay! This came out in the nick of time.

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dandyfopp

She is a master.

Has Nunes been mentioned? I tuned in late.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

where to watch TRMS interview without a TV?

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Should be available streaming THOR.

They probably make it available on youtube at some point as well.


http://www.msnbc.com/now

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dandyfopp

Ah there is my Nunes goody bag LOL

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

I think I have to wait, or find clips elsewhere.

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Kathy

Parnas thinks the more visible and the more he gets out there the safer he will be. Safer? I’m not so sure.

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Kathy

Thor, it should be on Utube tomorrow. It usually takes a while.

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dandyfopp

There will be clips and quick.

He is spilling more tea than the Boston Tea Party. -- not me, wish it were. :-)

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chipotle

Yeah, it'll be on youtube and or MSNBC tomorrow.

And tomorrow we hear part 2.

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Nicole (CO Z5b)(5b)

And did I hear more documents are coming?

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Annie Deighnaugh

You can see it here now: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

Also they release the podcast pretty quickly after the show is over


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Annie Deighnaugh

I thought it was interesting that parnas was wearing an American flag and trms made a point that he was an American citizen.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Parnas loops pence into the scheme pretty clearly. They didn't believe parnas that they'd need to announce a biden investigation or they weren't going to get US political support. So pence cancels his attendance at the inauguration and suddenly they get the point. parnas says pence knew what it was all about.

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Nicole (CO Z5b)(5b)

Textbook liar, adding way too many details Devin.

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Annie Deighnaugh

The creepiest part of the interview was the way bondy kept ogling rachel the entire time and saying absolutely nothing....not to mention his bad hair day...

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

Good suggestion to ground int'l flights out of DC for the moment.

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Iris GW

Parnas thinks the more visible and the more he gets out there the safer he will be. Safer? I’m not so sure.

Putin has long arms.

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Kathy

Annie, do you mean his lawyer Joseph Bondy?


If there is other evidence about Pence besides Parnas statements it might generate an investigation by the House. We know Barr won’t do diddly about anything since he is in the thick of it.


I had to type that name Bondy 3 times because of spell check.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

@baddestmamajama

I just...don’t know who you call to arrest people when the president, the Vice President, the head of the justice department, the republican head of the house investigatory committee and the presidents entire legal team is implicated in a massive conspiracy to destroy a rival.

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dandyfopp

Donnie is absolutely terrified of Biden being the nominee.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Yes thank you...fixed...I kept getting bondy confused with pam bondi who plays a whole 'nother role in this scheme.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Yeah Thor, does seem to be some conflicts of interest there...including parnas mentioning having nunes up there on the house impeachment inquiry when he was in on some of this stuff.

And that's the real concern, right? If the senate does subpoena witnesses, and trump says no, whose going to make them show up? The sergeant at arms? Going head to head with the secret service?

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Delilah66

Annie, that was strange. I kept wondering why Bondy was there. MSNBC probably required him to sit there.

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cattyles

Barr has had this info for some time now. I can’t remember where I read that. I’ll look and post a source.

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cattyles

Naftagaz. That’s the part no one is supposed to talk about.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

If no Republican senator grows a spine after today's revelations, we're lost as a country.

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Kathy

The condition Parnas had for the interview is his lawyer had to be there.

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petalique

Parnas came across much better than I anticipated. Lawyer Bondy’s hair was up all night. He looked exhausted.


Now, refresh me. Why did Parnas get involved with Giuliani and the

is scheme? $$$$ ? He has a checkered past, as they say.

The whole scheme likely involved a lot more than helping Trump get re-elected. All the wealth to be stollen from the Ukrainian people with all that natural gas. That’s like one one reason Rick Perry was on the “team.”

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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

The entire picture that is forming, of which this is an integral part, is that a lawless and conscienceless mob has been in charge of the government these last few years. It's worse than even I thought it could be, and that's saying a lot. We are looking at a frightening dismantling of everything most of us thought that our government stood for.

The silence from the right is deafening.

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lily316

Where are the delightful memes from our right-wingers? I'm sure they had to switch off Hannity to watch Rachel. Way to go Rachel. Great interview and soooo damning to trumo as his buddy spelled his name.

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ohiomom

Now now y'all know that Parnas is the coffee boy ... (^_^)

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dandyfopp

Fox News, playing the hits.


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Annie Deighnaugh

I flipped the channel once to see and they were busy covering warren telling sanders he called her a liar. Gee whiz. Rival politicians are sparring. Big news!

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Delilah66

Kathy I know that’s what was said about the lawyer but I’ve never seen an interview where the lawyer was so strangely silent. Considering some of the things Parnas said I was surprised there wasn’t any behind the hands whispering between the two of them. Edited maybe?

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Annie Deighnaugh

Not only that, but his nonstop staring at her. It was weird. Very weird.

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Kathy

Parnas was incriminating to Trump, Pence, Giuliani, Nunes and even McCarthy. Did I leave anyone out? One other thing caught my attention is Giuliani was very interested in Manafort’s Black Ledger. Supposedly Manafort might have kept track of who was paid and how much is how I understood it.

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Kathy

My impression of the lawyer is he is self trained to show no emotion.

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dandyfopp

Barr.

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Kathy

Oh yes Dandy, Barr. What about Pompeo? Did he mention him> I have to watch that interview again. And tonight is part 2!!

The silence from Pompeo is deafening.

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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/ukraine-impeachment-lev-parnas-marie-yovanovitch

Ukraine Is Investigating Whether Marie Yovanovitch Was Under Surveillance By Rudy Giuliani's Associates

“Ukraine cannot ignore such illegal activities on its territory,” an official from the country's interior ministry said.

KYIV — Ukrainian authorities said Thursday they had opened a criminal investigation into whether the former US ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch was under surveillance by associates of Rudy Giuliani while in Kyiv last spring.

Officials from Ukraine’s interior ministry announced the investigation in a televised briefing, citing a trove of documents released by House Democrats on Tuesday that included several cryptic WhatsApp messages between Lev Parnas and Robert Hyde that discussed monitoring Yovanovitch’s physical movements and electronic devices.“Ukraine’s position is to not interfere in the domestic affairs of the United States,” an interior ministry official said. “However, the published records contain the fact of a possible violation of the legislation of Ukraine and the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, which protects the rights of a diplomat on the territory of another country.

“Ukraine cannot ignore such illegal activities on its territory."


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soupgirl53

I believe Rachel Maddos said that the portion of the Parnas interview to be aired tonight will discuss what Rick Perry and others were doing.

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soupgirl53

Sorry, I meant "Maddow" not Maddos.

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Nana H

Well Trump wanted the Ukraine to announce an investigation.......apparently they are. Be careful what you ask for !!!

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Annie Deighnaugh

The way parnas was dismissing hyde as a guy who was drunk all the time...either he was telling the truth, or he was part and parcel of the Amb. Y surveillance effort....

I mean parnas is clearly involved in all of this up to his eyeballs, so he's got to be walking a fine line between self incrimination and pointing the finger at everyone else.

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Lyban zone 4(4)

Is there a way to have my threads come through , last comment on the top.

i think there must be but I cannot find it.

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maddielee

Strange. The only tweet from 45 this morning is another one about signing the China trade deal. He hasn’t even made up a name to call Parnas, or have I missed something?

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maddielee

“Is there a way to have my threads come through , last comment on the top.”

if you click the ‘comment’ box at the end of the original post you will get to the end of all the comments. Then work up. Hope that helps.


@Lyban zone 4

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Kathy

Parnas might be distancing himself from any idea they were going to eliminate Yovanovitch. I thought that was a little overdone, he said Hyde was drunk 24 hrs a day?

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dandyfopp

The WH has a statement now, about Parnas being a criminal.

Pot and Kettle Donnie!

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Lyban zone 4(4)

Maddie lee,

thank you, that is what I do now, I just thought there must be an easier way.

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THOR, Son of ODIN(2)

Deflect, deny, delay.

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Kathy

Collins is whining about Parnas documents being allowed. We are moving closer to a possible President Pelosi.

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Nana H

Speaking of criminals. The GAO ( Government Accountability Office ) has just released a statement saying that they have found that the OMB broke the law when they withheld the aid.

Not that it will matter much. Trump is above the law and he has Barr to make sure that happens.

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dandyfopp

Running scared.


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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Wow on Parnas! For once words escape me. What A Team of repubs! Is anyone innocent in that party??

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dandyfopp

I love how Donnie is backing up Parnas when he told Zelensky to get in touch with Barr about the Biden investigation. Parnas: Barr was on the team.

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cattyles

Goodness, that was rude of McSally. Wonder what she’s cranky about?

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Chi

My guess is they are starting to regret supporting Trump and are now worried for their own seats.

His whole impeachment defense has just crumbled.

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Nana H

Then there is the new revelation, at least to me, that the previous Ukraine PM was also offered favors in return for an announcement of an investigation into Biden. So much for the bogus witholding of aid over concerns about corruption schpiel.

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Nana H

She is one of the vulnerable Senators up in 2020. Now she's between a rock and a hard place.

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dandyfopp

Probably the specter of unemployment has Marthas drawers in a bunch.

Oh well.

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dandyfopp

Ya'll. Check out what Kellyanne's hubby is retweeting.


https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1217830788726738945

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Chi

"Lev Parnas, Rudy Giuliani’s former associate who stands at the heart of the impeachment inquiry, has threatened to release a new photo of himself with Donald Trump every time the president denies knowing him. Ever since Parnas and his associate Igor Fruman were arrested on campaign-finance charges in October, Trump has tried to distance himself from them. He told reporters at the time: “I don’t know those gentlemen. Now, it’s possible I have a picture with them because I have a picture with everybody... I don’t know them.” Speaking to CNN’s New Day early Thursday, Parnas accused Trump of lying about the nature of their relationship—and said he has evidence to prove it. “I thought they were going to shut me up, make me look like the scapegoat, and try to blame me for stuff that I [haven’t] done. But with God’s help and a great legal team that I have beside me, we were able to get the information out.” On Trump’s denials of knowing him, Parnas said: “I welcome him to say that even more. Every time he says that I’ll show him another picture. He’s lying.”

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zmith

Sure would like to see Parnas' documents become Trump's "Nixon tapes."

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

“I thought they were going to shut me up, make me look like the scapegoat, and try to blame me for stuff that I [haven’t] done."

Yep, he knows Trump all too well. Can't wait to see the entire photo album.

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Delilah66

"Trump and Pence must be you know whating."

Chipotle, I think the word your're looking for has two i's and two t's.Mmay I buy a vowel?

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Joaniepoanie

I watched Kellyanne last night and she does what Trump does—-just keeps repeating the same lies nonstop....so transparent and that schtick is old and stale already.

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Kathy

Feds raided Hyde home


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vgkg (Va Z-7)

According to Parnas, they may only find a hoard of empty liquor bottles.

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Kathy

I think Parnas really hedged on whether Yovanovitch’s life was in danger. He won’t admit that.

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dandyfopp

Are we sure they aren't all drunk?


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dublinbay z6 (KS)

vgkg--I don't follow every thread on this forum, so maybe I missed your return--regardless, good to see you commenting again! : )

Can't think of anything to say about this thread that hasn't already been said above. So I'll settle for "ditto"!

Kate

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Kathy

We will see part 2 on Maddow tonight. What more will he have to say, especially after Hyde’s business and home was raided by FBI?

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chipotle

Not only that, but his nonstop staring at her. It was weird. Very weird.





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chipotle

We will see part 2 on Maddow tonight. What more will he have to say, especially after Hyde’s business and home was raided by FBI?


Full interview was taped yesterday.

Anderson Cooper also taped an interview with Parnas. That airs tonight.

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Kathy

Chipotle, I will have to watch tonight. Last night I mostly listened and didn’t watch.

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Kathy

What time does Anderson Cooper come on? Parnas is anxious to get the word out isn’t he? I like what I heard someone say. He doesn’t trust Parnas but that doesn’t mean he is lying. Verify, verify, verify. I do hope to hear from Bolton.

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Chi

I'm glad he's talking but I worry about his safety. I hope he doesn't have help committing suicide like Epstein.

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chipotle

Anderson is on at 8 ET. His show runs 2 hours. The second hour overlaps with Rachel's. Hoping the Parnas interview is on in the first hour.

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Kathy

So many associated with Trump have voiced they are afraid for their safety. We see what happened to Epstein. Hyde kept saying he was afraid for his life. Yovanovitch was being followed and monitored. Now Parnas feels speaking out might save him. Giuliani claims he has insurance.

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dandyfopp

He knows where some bodies are buried, likely literally.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

^^^ OUCH!...this is normally where I'd post my Sgt Schultz meme, but behaving myself.

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Kathy

Lev said everytime Trump denies knowing him he will tweet a picture.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Where does his pal Egor fit into this international trump scandal?....or is it Igor?

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ubro(2a)

I'm glad he's talking but I worry about his safety. I hope he doesn't have help committing suicide like Epstein.

Me too, but unlike Epstein Parnas has his 'insurance' stored safely with his attorney, I am sure everything he has is in duplicate.

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vgkg (Va Z-7)

Epstein was easy, he didn't want to talk.

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Kathy

Good question about Igor Fruman, maybe Rachel will ask. Not much news about him that I can find. I wonder if he is still in jail. Parnas family posted 200,000 cash bond for the 1M bail.

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Ziemia(6a)

As far as knowing where the proverbial bodies are buried - Robert Hyde is a landscaper.

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chipotle

^^^

Good one!

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barncatz

Watching Cooper. Parnas saying Igor Fruman had the Ukranian contacts.

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Kathy

Yes, Parnas had no contacts in Ukraine. He did what Rudy told him to do and Rudy did what trump told him to do.

Even Rick Perry had to tell Zelensky to say Biden was under investigation. Zelensky said they would investigate corruption and Rudy said that’s not what they agreed.

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cattyles

Sekulow came up in part 2 of Maddow’s interview tonight. He knows about it all and will be representing trump in the Senate trial.

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Kathy

Sekelow would have to question Parnas if he testified. Wouldn’t he have to recuse himself? Didn’t he represent Parnas at first?

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Kathy

Here’s the info. Sekulow didn’t defend him but Trump wanted to get someone to defend Parnas.

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lily316

Parnas is singling like a canary so some "accident" doesn't just happen to him out of the blue. trump will be needing more meds to get over the next weeks. He'll probably have a complete breakdown. >>>I did find it humorous the way his lawyer fixated on Rachel. He does know she's gay, doesn't he?

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Kathy

He sounds as if he is still denying the danger of the cult unless he is just in preservation mode because of talking publicly. He talks about how he feels in danger and they wanted him to shut up. It is probably why he can now understand how Yovanovitch felt.

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Delilah66

I can’t wait for the movie!

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petalique

Parnas’s lawyer, Joseph Bondy, does have a peculiar countenance. He was listening carefully, staying out of his client’s narrative. I didn’t read his expressions as ogling Maddow, but rather observing her face and body language for how Parnas’s responses were registering with Maddow.


Lawyer Bondy’s posture reminded me of a Cooper’s (or a sharp shinned) hawk. See what I mean.


Another head on photo at this link:

http://feathertailedstories.blogspot.com/2015/09/coopers-hawk-juveniles.html

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Kathy

Petalique, agree!

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lily316

Maybe, but I thought it amusing. Rachel was sooo on her game. Great journalist.

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petalique

I wanted Maddow or Cooper to ask about the MONEY $$$.


How did he pay for living two years at Trump’s hotel, tower or whatever?

Air fare jetting to Ukraine, Vienna?

Money for bribes?


Where did the money (?1 million) from Firtash go? To GOP candidates? Which ones? Why did the money get given to Lev Parnas and not to Rudy or Igor?


As to the sneaky legal maneuvering by Sekulow, Dowd, Giuliani and others, to give him bad legal representation and in an attempt to give him shared immunity, former judge Nancy Goertner and Maya Wiley were interviewed yesterday afternoon 1-16-2020 on some early evening show (maybe Nicole Wallace’s, or Erin _____?) and they had some very good points. Maya Wiley in particular injected a comment about some important exception to that cooked up, on the fly tactic from Giuliani, Sekulow, Dowd, Toensing and diGenova.


Reminded me of Jr. high math (transitive properties) —- If A is _____ to B, and C is ______ to B, than C shares that relationship to A.


Did anyone here catch the point that Maya W was making hurriedly before the time was up or the host interrupted her?

(A good many of these hosts keep interrupting (ego nonsense) just as a guest is making an important point. Grrrr.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

How did he pay for living two years at Trump’s hotel, tower or whatever?

Air fare jetting to Ukraine, Vienna?

Money for bribes?

Mother Jones has an article which deals with part of the question of Parnas' funds.


Billionaire Oil Magnate Funded Travel by Lev Parnas

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/01/billionaire-oil-magnate-funded-travel-by-lev-parnas/

A billionaire Republican donor helped to bankroll travel by Lev Parnas, the indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani, as Parnas maneuvered to press the Ukrainian government to announce investigations that would help President Donald Trump politically.

House Democrats on Wednesday released WhatsApp messages between Parnas and Harry Sargeant III, an oil and shipping magnate who lives in Florida, as part of a trove of material they recently obtained from Parnas. The messages show that Sargeant helped fund some of Parnas’ travel and was supportive of efforts by Parnas and Giuliani to convince Trump to remove US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch. Parnas and Giuliani have said they believed Yovanovitch’s removal would help them pressure Ukraine’s government to provide dirt on Trump’s foes. Sargeant, a financial backer of Giuliani’s 2008 presidential campaign, is friendly with the former New York mayor. Sargeant met Parnas through Giuliani, a source said.

In a statement Wednesday, Chris Kise, an attorney representing Sargeant, confirmed the billionaire had loaned Parnas money for some of his travel costs. Kise said that Sargeant had expected to be paid back and suggested that Sargeant had been duped by Parnas.

“As is evident from the texts, Mr. Sargeant loaned Lev Parnas small sums for travel expenses because Mr. Parnas claimed, perhaps falsely, he was broke, and promised to pay the funds back,” Kise said. “But despite repeated requests by Mr. Sargeant, and continual promises of repayment by Lev Parnas, Mr. Parnas never repaid these expenses.” Kise cited an August 26 message in which Sargeant urged Parnas to repay debts to him and to the owner of a charter flight company.

If accurate, Kise’s statement suggests Sargeant was one of several wealthy individuals Parnas convinced to help finance a jet-setting lifestyle. Dmitry Firtash, a Ukrainian oligarch, appears to have paid Parnas more than $1 million last year. Parnas also has a string of debts in Florida, where he lives, including $350,000 owed to a couple who say he convinced them to help finance a movie. They have sued Parnas and have accused him of conning them.

Previous reporting has revealed that Sargeant over the last year interacted with Parnas, whose frenetic activity included lavishing campaign donations on Trump and other Republicans, regular travel to Ukraine to help Giuliani pressure Ukrainian officials, and pursuit of business deals in Ukraine and Kazakhstan. Sargeant has downplayed his relationship with Parnas and has denied involvement in Parnas and Giuliani’s Ukrainian machinations.


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Kathy

Chipotle, keep us posted if you hear it. I will watch too. Maybe on Rachael?

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Kathy

Petalique, I too wondered where Parnas got the money to make all those big donations to Trump. Or is it all a laundering scheme? His company Fraud Guarantee was named to offset the google search for Parnas and fraud.


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Kathy

Rachel Maddow made history, as her Lev Parnas interview was the most-watched cable news program in history.


politicususa.com/2020/01/17/rac… via @politicususa

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Kathy

Is he actually wearing trump socks? That tie hanging under his leg is hilarious. Seems like a real winner of a guy. I hope they do get more documents on him. He asked for it.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

From Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney

JUST IN: New evidence filed by House Intel Committee shows frequent contact between Parnas and top Nunes aide Derek Harvey.
https://judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/document_production_lev_parnas_january_17_2020_whatsapp_excerpts_harvey_with_attachments.pdf

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Kathy

How can Nunes be a juror? And the same for McCarthy and any others in the Parnas documents.

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Kathy

I think Maddow program was supposed to be shown again tonight. People around the world are watching these revelations. If the GOP doesn’t call witnesses they will be covering for Trump.

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zmith

If they really wanted to reach more people, shouldn’t they also show it on NBC?

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Kathy

Parnas is on now. He really explains things in a clear way. It makes a lot of sense. The chain of events is understandable and he gives a lot of inside information.

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Nana H

I see the Trump legal team' s strategy is going to be to argue that abuse of power is not an impeachable offense. Apparently they won't deny or argue that any of the facts on the table are untrue. Upside of that is he will only be able to claim what he did was not impeachable not that he did not abuse his power.

No matter what their argument is he will not be removed but maybe there will be enough support for witnesses. Removed or not the facts need to be on the record and hopefully they will matter to voters in 2020.

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zmith

This has been the message all along, “He did it. It’s not illegal. Get over it.”

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Kathy

What does it say about Trump when he has to hire Dershowitz to defend him? He has defended Epstein and OJ both who got off because of their defense rather than their innocence.

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cattyles

But it was illegal according to an oversight agency.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

But it was illegal according to an oversight agency.

Details, details. Trump's a big-picture kind of guy.

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Kathy

I’d say Parnas deserves a day in court by the Senate. He ran with the big dogs and he has a wealth of information backed up by documents unseen by the public. Credible? Enough to verify it further imho.

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Kathy

Parnas wants AG Barr to recuse himself.






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Kathy

Pence can’t deny knowing Parnas. His wife is hands on friendly with him.

https://twitter.com/beinghelpish/status/1219406517339934721?s=21

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chipotle

How sweet. Karen really does seem to have a connection.

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Kathy

I love they brought him/Parnas up already in the Senate whether or not the GOP allow the documents or testimony from him.

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