Yellow-margined one is 'Laurentii' all right. The other one is trifasciata, but whether it is the species, or cultivar 'Black Coral', I am not sure (somehow I cannot identify 'Black Coral' correctly :( ).

Agreed with ID above. Not Black Coral. Sometimes S. trifasciata is called by Zelyanica. They are nice looking beautiful plants.

Thanks Basia and Stush!

Sansevieria names are a mess! The name Black Coral is very common for the dark form of trifasciata, but the correct name is actually Black Gold. I believe it was named by the great sans expert B. Juan Chahinian, it’s definitely labeled that way in his old book ‘The Splendid Sansevieria’. To make things more exasperating, Compacta is often called Black Gold.

A pot of Black Gold should be noticeably darker than regular trifasciata, but I think new leaves take awhile to darken and might confuse the identity of a plant with sparse leaves.

For any novices that might be here, leaf cuttings of Laurentii almost always lose the yellow margins and produce regular trifasciata. Rarely an albino will be produced if it emerges from the yellow part of the host leaf, lack of chlorophyll means it won’t live if separated. Black Gold propagates true from leaf cuts.

Big Hello to Stush, I‘ll bet you’re glad we’re on the back side of winter. Saw your Old Yella, really cool sans!

So glad to see you posting again. Hope winter was not too hard on you Russ. The old saying 'Nothing new under the sun' seems to apply here.

I was given some new exciting sans called Lauren and Yellowstone. Looks just like the S. guineensis variegata to me. Hope it is hardier. I couldn't grow S. guineensis variegata.

They all three look alike. So I question how much is S. hyacinthoides = S. guineensis = S. aubrytiana (Jaboa). I know S. hyacinthoides replaced S. guineensis but what other species are included. Seems every year some one, some thing is changed in sanseveria.

Well, I am glad that you, Russ, posted on my thread. It seems that there is a lot of confusion about names in sanseveria. Good to know.

Also, I am glad you mentioned that. Laurentii does not produce the yellow margin through leaf cuttings. I tried my first sans leaf cutting and I was going to start a thread to ask why my cutting did not have a yellow margin. Now I know!

And talking about Black Coral, these two plants were at my local nursery. Are they really Black Coral/Black Gold? Are they fairly common?

I don't know if you can see the price. $25 Can. for the smaller one. $48 Can. for the larger one.

Black Coral is a darker version of trifasciata. Older leaves of trifasciata does turn darker in age especially grown in darker environments but you will notice darker patches in younger leaves of Black Coral. From what I can make out in the pictures, looks to be a poor representation of Black Coral. I almost purchased one myself at a Lowe's for $11 for a large pot full but knew I had little room to keep it. Having 10 larger growing sans right now, I will wait for some thing that will knock my socks off. Not one that looks almost like trifasciata.

Exactly! I don't want to get myself another plant, just because its name is different. It has to look different from mine, it has to possess that indescribable "something" , making my head turn. I look at the innumerable variations/mutations/sports/chimeras of S.trifasciata 'Hahnii' with golden leaves or just the margin or half leaf and half margin, or just every second leaf looks differently and I say to myself "Stop, you really don't need it". And same goes for 'Black Coral', if I cannot distinguish it from S.trifasciata type at first glance, then what is the point of growing it?

Don't get me wrong but I do love the look of 'Lauren' & 'Yellowstone' but to me they are the same. Perhaps time will tell. Like my 'Asahi' & 'Morgenstern's Futura Aurea', I kept side by side and never saw a difference and later found out they are the same. They still hold my #1 status for most loved plants.

Thanks Stush and Basia for your comments. I can perfectly understand why you would be particular when purchasing a new plant.

I am a newbie at sans. I don't want a lot of them because my space is limited. I want a few nice ones. When shopping for sans, I find that the tips of many are damaged and/or the leaves are cut off. Hard to find a "perfect" one. Sans don't lose their leaves that easily so any damage of leaves is there to stay for a long time---and so I refuse to buy those.

I also saw this sans at my garden nursery. I liked the look. Is it a common sans too?

sans Jaboa (in the center)

A bit closer:

That, I believe, is Sansevieria aubrytiana and as far as I understand, "Jaboa" (or "Jiboa" or "Ayo") are just trade names. Please correct me if I am wrong! Less common species, but I think it is very beautiful - that rather intense green and turkey-like markings :)

Thanks for the information. I agree that it is a pretty one. It stood out from the "crowd."

Yes it is not common. This is the parent plant of the 'new' 'Lauren' and 'Yellowstone'. Rooted cuttings of those will produce this. This is the one I question weather it is a variant of Sans. hyacinthoides, Which like trifasciata has many varieties.

I think theres been some confusion in the patent description in one of these new varieties, and it's caused more confusion with others. Without actually growing out a leaf from Lauren and Yellowstone to see what they produce, I'd bet good money the resulting plants would be metallica, not aubrytiana.

In their patent description, the reference by Florica Farms to Sansevieria trifasciata 'Jaboa' is questionable. The so-called Jaboa is actually aubrytiana, a different species from trifasciata. That said, I think they mistakenly identified the parent plant as aubrytiana when it was actually metallica.

From pictures, Lauren looks like metallica variegata to me. I read that Yellowstone is from Sayuri, but Sayuri appears to be a renaming of Manolyn. Pics of Yellowstone look like Lauren. So I don't know what's going on.

Russ

If anyone wants to send me leaves of Lauren, Yellowstone or Sayuri, I will be happy to propagate and see what species they produce. I will reimburse postage.

As with the hyacinthoides; three leaves to a node. Unlike trifasciata having many some times unlimited (stacking). Not many leaves on mine. It would be good to know if anyone has more than the three leaf limit. The small ones I have need all they got to get established. I am getting a new pup on one.

I seem to have misplaced my sans book. Got to give it a good look around. That book goes for about $400 now. Can't believe it. I should have bought all they had of that book when I bought it for $40. At the time I though that was too high.

Stush, cool that you have hycinthoides, I'm interested in where you got it. Juan's pic indicates it has wide leaves but pics can often give false impressions. I have thought it looks similar to metallica... tall leaves, 3 to 5 inches wide, medium green with lighter mottling. Aubrytiana is very bright and cheery, mottling has good contrast with the darker green background. I have a hybrid that is very close to aubrytiana, fischeri x trifasciata. I sometimes wonder if the ID is bogus.

Hard to believe Juan's book is selling for so much, who knew??

Hello Russ, I don't have hycinthoides. I had S. guineensis variegata which was marketed as trifasciata Aurea which I couldn't get to grow for me. Never would produce more than 3 leaves per node. Same with S. guineensis Siam Silver which does do okay for me. Never more than 3 leaves. I have one pup from above Siam Silver that grew out the bottom of the pot which I removed at an early stage and did develop into a new plant but had no variegation??? It does not have the nice pattern like yours above to it. More of a dull green over all. Almost no markings. A little strange. I don't have a picture but could if anyone wants to see it.

So far, the newbe's of Yellowstone and Lauren are doing well for me. Time will tell.

Russ, What S. trifascatia has the markings of futura Asahi? I would like to have a taller growing clone. Golden Street is almost like it.

Stush, is this like your Asahi? I've never had one but found this on a website.

I haven't had Golden Street either, I thought Craigii might be the tall equivalent of Asahi, but Juan says it's a tall Golden Hahnii. Looking at an old pic of Asahi on a Hawaii sans website, it has some wide silver-gray areas on several leaves.

Here is the Asahi pic from Hawaii sans group at Angelfire.com.

Yea, Looks like my Asahi aka 'Morgenstern's Futura Aurea'. An over grown Golden Hahnii is best description. Got to check out Craigii.

Russ, If you want an Asahi from me, I can send you one. It is a known 'stacker' with mostly no two leaves looking alike.

Just looked back on a post we had here 3 years ago on Craigii from Nancy. So similar to your (guineensis) Metallica variegata. I really like to know some one who grows them and ask if it has more than 3 leaves per node. Maybe they get them mixed up together. Like you said, only a leaf cutting sprouting a new pup will tell metallica or trifasciata. Craigii looks too weak and flemsey. Now Golden Street is looking pretty great so far. No picture of it yet.

Stush, Juan doesn't say in his book how many leaves on Craigii, but there are two plants in his picture that look like they have 3 leaves each.

Thanks for the offer of Asahi, that would be great. What can I send you? Let me know if you need my lists.

Russ

No problem Russ, Right now I got to limit it so I can add to it some more. I have your list.

My 'Golden Street' is a true trifasciata having 7 leaves to a node with stiff hard leaves. Not the flimsy soft leaves of (guineensis) Metallica variegata and Craigii.

Stush, you've seen this already but thought I would post for others. I saw this at a local nursery, looks like a stacking Hahnii to me.

That is one well grown hahnii. Wish I could grow them that well. I have one about that tall but with many pups just busting at the seams. It's a Seibert Hahnii.

Stush, Seibert is one of my favorite Hahnii types. I had one some years ago that produced several Golden Hahnii's and two Solid Gold Hahnii's, along with a bunch of Seibert offsets. Apparently the genes in this cultivar are unstable, however I lost that particular Seibert and none of my others have offset anything but more Seiberts.

Variegation isn't strong on my present plants, the one I lost had very prominent, bright variegation.

This came up from a non-variegated plant, REALLY slow. I think it's a hallii.

That's no hahnii Russ, See the brown edges on the leaves. Showing the juvenile leaves not to resemble the mature leaves in a lot of species. Interesting to see what you get.

My Seibert doesn't show much lighter stripe in center at all. Most don't show any. So far no strange pups from it, only regular hahnii looking ones. Lady who gave it to me did have some Solid Gold pups from the main plant that she gave me this from. I do now own two plants from different Gold Hahnii that produced Solid Gold for me. I have to keep them warm thru our winter months. Most fussy plant so far. My albino pup from a Gold Hahnii leaf has some faint green in it and hoping that is enough to help it survive. Going on one year soon so it is the oldest one so far that I was about to keep. Sort of looks like the one Chris gave me called "Philippine". New leaves look albino/yellowish then darken with green with age. Extremely nice hahnii. I have to keep that one warm with extra lighting to keep it alive. So far so good. Pictures coming soon when I start to take them out. Here's old photo when I got it.

Russ, we should move this conversation to my new post of Sanseveria chat. We are dominating this post.

My apologies to 'Newhostalady'.