Greta: We Will Make Sure That We Put Them Against The Wall

elvis

She was speaking metaphorically, of course...Except if it had been a climate skeptic saying those words, the left would have been apoplectic and accused them of plotting the mass murder of world leaders. Such is the Twitter world we live in.


Greta Thunberg is a smart, brave, young woman who, at 16 years old, has offered herself as a spokesperson for her generation on climate change. It's a noble undertaking and she should certainly be commended for her activism.


She is also, if you listen to her adult supporters, above reproach and criticism. She must only be encouraged, coddled, and praised. Any criticism is "bullying." If you point out that she's hardly an expert on the extraordinarily complex issues of climate change -- issues that involve a half-dozen scientific disciplines -- you must be scolded for hurting the poor little girl's feelings. It doesn't get any lower than using children as a shield against criticism. And Greta Thunberg needs to be criticized. The notoriety appears to have gone to her head and unless some adult intervenes, she will become another used-up, tragic victim of leftist political activism, a late-night comedian's one-liner. Of course, Ms. Thunberg can be criticized. She has shouldered her way into the arena and is using her notoriety to hysterically denounce politicians -- freely elected and carrying responsibilities that she cannot possibly understand.


If she understood those responsibilities, she'd know that the world she is asking for -- even if everyone agreed with her -- will take decades to achieve at an unimaginable cost. That's real money coming out of real people's pockets -- the fruits of their labor. She has a child's view of how the world works. This puts her on par with other hysterical activists who have a similar worldview. They apparently don't understand that simply throwing a tantrum about predicting the end of the world changes no minds nor moves anyone toward their position.


There are ways to criticize the child without being mean or bullying about it. Trump's tweet that sent the left into orbit was actually not a bad way to go about criticizing her:

So ridiculous. Greta must work on her Anger Management problem, then go to a good old fashioned movie with a friend! Chill Greta, Chill! https://t.co/M8ZtS8okzE — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 12, 2019


Trump is patting her on the head and telling her to be a good girl. Is that bullying? Condescension and mockery are not bullying. It may be unseemly and gauche for a president to go out of his way to mock a 16-year-old, but Ms. Thunberg has made herself a target. And if she's not old enough to understand that, she's not old enough to be listened to.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/greta-thunberg-threatens-to-execute-world-leaders-who-dont-act-on-global-warming/

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Chi

Boy, she sure has triggered the right! They are so easily offended.

It is not okay for the President to cyber-bully a teenager. Doesn't matter if people think she's asking for it or she deserves it or that she made herself a target. She is 16 years old and trying to do good in the world, even if you don't believe in her mission or her approach or her parent's motivation. She does not deserve to be attacked, especially publicly by one of the most powerful men in the world. End of story.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

"It may be unseemly and gauche for a president to go out of his way to mock a 16-year-old, but Ms. Thunberg has made herself a target. "


What's this? BLAME THE VICTIM?

For shame!

Kate

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Carro

And then what?

She needs a new script writer. The whole angry, disaffected, misanthropic, aggressive, demon child thing isn't working.

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elvis

Also, she apologized for using a phrase that could be misinterpreted

...after someone explained that to her.

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Kathy

She is 16. How many times has Trump recanted what he has said or his handlers explain to us what he really meant was——

give her a break.

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margaux

Trashy PJ Media is showing up here a lot lately. The owner, Salem Media Group, produces Christian media, billing themselves as offering "family-themed content and conservative values." Here's an article on PJ Media right now demonstrating their conservative Christian values.

She's Baaaaaaack: Is This New Photo of Hillary 'Radiant' or 'Terrifying'?


The UK Guardian is reporting that Hillary Clinton's new smooth and probably Botoxed or siliconed mug is "radiant" and "glowing," but to some of us, it's just frightening. Who is that?

The UK Guardian wrote,

The radiant former First Lady, 72, showed off a wrinkle-free complexion and plumped-up cheeks as she joined her husband Bill behind the scenes of Ain't Too Proud: The Temptations Musical at The Imperial Theatre.

Sporting a vibrant pink tunic dress with black trousers and a statement gold necklace, Chicago-born Hillary smiled as she chatted and posed with the cast.

The only radiant first lady I know is the current one in the White House, who no one ever talks about. You know, this one:

(Photo of Melania welcoming Erdogan to the WH)

But since major news won't report on the actually radiant first lady, we must be subjected to absurd claims that a seventy-two-year-old woman is nice to look at. She isn't. And it's decidedly much worse than her previous look. Plastic surgery, if that's what this is and not some sort of satanic spirit cooking treatment, rarely makes anyone appear younger and instead makes them look like some kind of wax figure that sort of resembles the person who had the procedure.

Whatever this is isn't helping Hillary look younger. It is, however, making her look even more terrifying than usual and bringing back rumors of a body double.

What I think this is, is further proof that Hillary Clinton is going to run again for president in 2020. The best evidence for that is the new fawning documentary that is—surprise!—all about her.

What I think this is, is further proof that Hillary Clinton is going to run again for president in 2020. The best evidence for that is the new fawning documentary that is—surprise!—all about her.

Are you ready, America? She's baaaack!

Author Megan Fox, who has the nerve to criticize another woman's appearance:


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Vada(10)

I do worry about this child. She is not well, I think.

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Rina

Don't you love this? -- ... absurd claims that a seventy-two-year-old woman is nice to look at.

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Chi

Boy, she sure has triggered the right! They are so easily offended.
It is not okay for the President to cyber-bully a teenager.

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The child got in to adults business, she geta a response as she is an adult. It's the nature of the business, no discounts here.

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Rina

The climate is very much the business of the young -- they are the ones who will suffer the main brunt of any deterioration in their world. That has been a large part of Greta's message, which could therefore not be convincingly expressed in so personal a way by a thirty-year-old.

I think of her as a teenager, not a child, actually. Just like Malala Yousafzai, who should have left her campaign for education to the grown-ups, right?

By the way, it is not okay for the President to cyber-bully anyone.

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lurker111

Climate girl should hook up with clock boy. They would make a cute couple.

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Carro

Way to cheapen Malala and her work.

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Delilah66

“ ...after someone explained that to her.”

And she understood.

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Rina

I don't think Malala would agree with you.

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Stan Areted

Carro:

She needs a new script writer. The whole angry, disaffected, misanthropic, aggressive, demon child thing isn't working.


Elvis:

Also, she apologized for using a phrase that could be misinterpreted

...after someone explained that to her.



THIS.


Observing a nasty acting arrogant young girl being used by her parents, the climate alarmists and the left and commenting on her is not being "triggered."

You don't get it--we don't get triggered.

That's for squalling, kicking, crying, screaming, in your face, drink throwing, cap stealing, hanging on your friends because your candidate lost, protesting, lying, vandalizing and impeaching liberals.

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Annie Deighnaugh

There's no one more petulant, squalling, crying, screaming, protesting, lying and insulting, foot-stomping, tantrum-throwing, mocking, vindictive child on the national and global stage than trump. No one. There's not a liberal out there that could outdo trump in that regard...though some of his supplicants come close.

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haydayhayday

The reason that children are pushed and pulled into the political fray is for precisely the reason that we're seeing here:

Who would be so cruel as to tell a kid that they're stupid and their ideas are even more stupid?

Hay


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Then it's all set up for the crew to come in and milk it til it's dry.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/milk+it

milk it:

To try to get as much of something from someone else, especially sympathy, kindness, respect, etc.

And here we are.

Hay


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haydayhayday

Then it's all set up for the crew to come in and milk it til it's dry.

And here we are.

Hay

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Kathy

Be Best? It isn’t working.

By the way, it is not okay for the President to cyber-bully anyone

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margaux

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Chi

Boy, she sure has triggered the right! They are so easily offended.
It is not okay for the President to cyber-bully a teenager.

The child got in to adults business, she geta a response as she is an adult. It's the nature of the business, no discounts here.

And there is the issue in a nutshell. Greta isn't getting an adult's response. Not from Trump nor from his supporters. Unless you consider the nasty criticism you've seen here adult-like.

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Rina

Umm, Kathy? This might actually be their best.

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Chi

"Way to cheapen Malala and her work."


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elvis

“ ...after someone explained that to her.”

And she understood.

Sure. She is highly intelligent, but carefully manipulated.

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elvis

Who would be so cruel as to tell a kid that they're stupid and their ideas are even more stupid?

Depends. Is the kid wearing a MAGA hat?

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queenmargo

BINGO elvis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Stan Areted

Elvis, no one can get up early enough in the morning for you and Queenmargo!

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queenmargo

LOL, true- true ')

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Rina

Chi, I've just seen your Malala post. Thank you. I can feel those young, beautiful minds from my position at the other end of life. It feels so good!

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

whole angry, disaffected, misanthropic, aggressive, demon child

No evidence of above last Friday in Turin.


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I watched a number of videos of Greta in Turin, and I was struck by how petite she is, and amazed at her command of English.

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Delilah66

"She is highly intelligent, but carefully manipulated."

So much better than being a carefully-manipulated republican't.

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Kathy

Why is Trump cyberbullying a 16 year old?

And now Trump has a new target for his bullying: Greta Thunberg, the 16-year-old environmental activist. Thunberg seems to be really making Trump upset, without meaning to. She doesn’t fit into any of his ideas of how girls are supposed to act. She isn’t trying to be a contestant in one of his beauty pageants. She’s too busy trying to get world leaders like him to do something about the climate crisis. She’s too occupied by giving speeches at places like the UN – where Trump was laughed at, when he gave a speech in 2018, and Thunberg was met with respect, despite slamming the entire body for “misleading” the public with inadequate emission-reduction pledges.

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elvis

I was...amazed at her command of English.

Well, she reportedly did go to school until recently.

English

A large section of the Swedish population speaks English. The language is most commonly spoken by the younger generations who were born after the Second World War. The trade links of Sweden with English-speaking nations, the strong American influence, overseas travel to English-speaking countries, and cultural interchange have increased the popularity of English in Sweden. Since 1952, studying English has been made compulsory for all students in the country.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-languages-are-spoken-in-sweden.html

amazed at her command of English.

It seems she missed this one:

Thunberg wrote in a tweet on Saturday "That's what happens when you improvise speeches in a second language. But of course I apologise if anyone misunderstood this.

https://www.newsweek.com/greta-thunberg-against-wall-speeches-second-language-1477329

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Kathy

How many American kids could make a speech in a second language? Can Trump?

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margaritadina

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margaux

margaritadina

The child got in to adults business, she geta a response as she is an adult. It's the nature of the business, no discounts here.

And there is the issue in a nutshell. Greta isn't getting an adult's
response. Not from Trump nor from his supporters. Unless you consider
the nasty criticism you've seen here adult-like.

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Yes, experiencing the hasty criticism is an inevitable part of an adult's life. If she wants to act as an adult she will get it back as an adult. Adults call each other nasty names and this is that.

There are no nutshells here. Children who test toys and video games and share their opinions with others their age don't get that because their content doesn't target adult audience. They stay on their territory.


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Kathy

So much defense for Trump cyber bullying a child. Unbelievable. Not just a child, a girl. So typically Trump.

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margaux

Yes, experiencing the hasty criticism is an inevitable part of an adult's life. If she wants to act as an adult she will get it back as an adult. Adults call each other nasty names and this is that.

I think you have it backwards, margaritadina. Most adults believe that name-calling is something children do and outgrow as they become adults. I had true adults in my life and I can't think of a one who called others names but maybe you had a different experience.

Greta can be the bigger person despite her age and ignore the so-called adults who think it's okay to call people names. I hope she does ignore them. I'm sure those adults are used to being ignored.

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Chi

"Since 1952, studying English has been made compulsory for all students in the country.

It seems she missed this one:

Thunberg wrote in a tweet on Saturday "That's what happens when you improvise speeches in a second language"

It's still a second language. I took many years of Spanish throughout my schooling, and I am far from fluent.

Learning a language in school will never be the same as a language spoken at home 24/7 since birth. Kids are little language sponges when they are very young.

My SIL is from a country where English is also compulsory and even now, after living in the US for over a decade, she still stumbles over some grammar, spelling and pronounciation, even though her English is excellent. She's perfectly fluent and understandable but will likely never have the mastery that a native English speaker has.

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Delilah66

"How many American kids could make a speech in a second language? Can Trump?"

Oh, Kathy, Kathy, Kathy. That question begs for an answer; pleads for an answer; lays down its life for an answer.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

That darn socialist country, Sweden, has educational goals so that students are bilingual.

As in fluent in English as well as Swedish.

For shame!

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Stan Areted

IF their country was half as productive as the US we'd be speaking Swedish.


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elvis

How many American kids could make a speech in a second language?

Lots. How about you? I certainly did.

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elvis

I hope she does ignore them.

I doubt she cares about people. She fixates on one idea obsessively and that's that.

Unlike those with autism, people with Aspergers syndrome are not usually withdrawn around others; they approach others, even if awkwardly, for example by engaging in a one-sided, long-winded speech about an unusual topic while being oblivious to the listener's feelings or reactions, such as signs of boredom or wanting to leave.[3] This social awkwardness has been called "active, but odd".[1] This failure to react appropriately to social interaction may appear as disregard for other people's feelings, and may come across as insensitive. The cognitive ability of children with Aspergers syndrome often lets them articulate social norms in a laboratory context,[1] where they may be able to show a theoretical understanding of other people’s emotions; however, they typically have difficulty acting on this knowledge in fluid, real-life situations.[3] People with Aspergers syndrome may analyze and distill their observation of social interaction into rigid behavioral guidelines and apply these rules in awkward ways—such as forced eye contact—resulting in demeanor that appears rigid or socially naive. Childhood desires for companionship can be numbed through a history of failed social encounters.[1]…

Children with Aspergers syndrome may have an unusually sophisticated vocabulary at a young age and have been colloquially called "little professors", but have difficulty understanding metaphorical language and tend to use language literally.[1] Individuals with Aspergers syndrome appear to have particular weaknesses in areas of nonliteral language that include humor, irony, and teasing. They usually understand the cognitive basis of humor but may not enjoy it due to lack of understanding of its intent.[10]

https://www.autism-help.org/aspergers-characteristics-signs.htm

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

IF their country was half as productive as the US we'd be speaking Swedish.

If their country were as large as the US (and located farther from the Arctic Circle), we'd be speaking Swedish.


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haydayhayday

Neither here nor there, but I got hooked on Daniel Tammet for a few weeks a while back. Since we're talking autism and language.....

"I can learn that language in 7 days.... "

Daniel is an incredibly interesting person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet

He's all over the internet if you get interested.

He and the real man who inspired Rain Man actually end up meeting.

And you can be the fly on the wall.

Just incredible

Hay



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Stan Areted

nancy_in_venice

IF their country was half as productive as the US we'd be speaking Swedish.

If their country were as large as the US (and located farther from the Arctic Circle), we'd be speaking Swedish.


Uh, Nancy. Who cares about land mass?

Nancy, note I said PRODUCTIVE.

Go ahead and adjust for ratio for population.

Sweden just hasn't contributed to society like the US has.

But thanks for playing!


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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Who cares about land mass?

Acreage for producing crops which in turn sustains a larger population which in turn has the ability to produce more. Longer growing seasons of the more southern latitudes definitely help as well.

Land mass also increases the potential for natural resources which help in productivity.

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watchmelol

The bottom line is this poor special needs child has been pimped out by her disgusting "parents" to to disgusting extremists to promote an agenda. They took a child's fear and decided to capitalize on it. The decent thing to do would be to take custody away from her abusive "parents" and place her into a safe place where she could be deprogrammed from their puppetry and get help for her Asperger's, OCD, selective mutism and whatever other mental health issues she struggles with.




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elvis

Amen to that. Reading some of the rhetoric written about Greta, I wonder how some can be so callous about the urgent needs of this girl. The fact that she is willing, even passionately enthusiastic about being a puppet is irrelevant. She's a special needs child.

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patriceny

I worry about her too. I just don't think she's got adequate life skills to deal with all of this attention. She's being used by something much bigger than herself, and even this middle of the road swing voter can see that her parents are enabling this as a means to an end for themselves.

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lurker111

It's really sad that her cause was debunked before she was born. Poor thing.

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Chi

"Now everyone is "worried"about her. How can you have sympathy for her but not be outraged by her being bullied by Trump and the RNC?"

Yeah, exactly. Faux concern for her and just another way to attack her. If they were really concerned, they would denounce Trump cyber-bullying a teenager on the world stage, but that hasn't happened. He gets a pass on his cruel behavior because they think her parents put her there, so she deserves everything she gets.

Reminds me of their lack of sympathy for kids in cages because "maybe their parents shouldn't have broken the law."

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patriceny

One of the things that worries me about the current state of our country is that some people are being hyperbolic with words. Sometimes people do it on purpose as a way to fire up support and other times it's "just" a casual error.

With the caveat that I can be troubled by Trump's words and behavior, I do not think what he has said rises to the level of bullying on this. I wish he would just leave it and her alone (nothing good will come from it) - but he for whatever reason can't.

Her parents are using her, IMO. They may not even be doing it explicitly on "purpose" - but they are failing in their duties as a parent, again in my opinion. If you put your child out there in the public eye on a topic like this, you have to do it knowing there are going to be people who completely disagree with her message. It would be a rare 16 year old who would have the life skills to handle this kind of public pressure.

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queenmargo

because they think her parents put her there, so she deserves everything she gets.

Who do you think put her there? The parents are her guardians til she is of age right? Why don't you care about that? Climate change issue is so important that the left will use a CHILD . They figured no one would attack a child right? IF you feel you are up to saving the world, then put on your big girl panties and take some criticism. That is NOT bullying.

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queenmargo

LOL patriceny- we are on the same wave this morning;)

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Chi

Bullying

  1. seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable).


When the President of the United States uses his official communication platform (intimidate) to attack a child (vulnerable) in front of the entire world (more intimidation), it's bullying. His supporters are the only ones who think it's okay.

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queenmargo

Once again- the lefties like to be the victim. If you take up a cause, put your big girl pants on. The left are hiding behind a child, that is the real shame. Using a child as a shield is weak and despicable.

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Kathy

Trump likes to portray himself as a victim. That’s okay? Funny when it’s a RW being attacked because of a non existent hat.

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Chi

"If you take up a cause, put your big girl pants on."

Greta has handled it just fine, and seems to take his attacks in stride. It's the rest of us who are outraged by our President's actions towards her.

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patriceny

Chi, I'm not a Trump supporter. I call myself a pragmatic libertarian. It's pretty much a party of one. LOL.

If he did one of his typical "loser" comments then yes I would agree that was bullying.

She and her parents have put herself in the public eye on a controversial topic, and she makes controversial statements. So is our only choice to praise her for this?

I'm honestly not trying to be provocative. I try really hard to see things are they really are, instead of how I would like them to be - no matter what the issue at hand is. My concern is that while I understand approximately half of this country would still hate Trump if he found the cure for cancer, too many people and most of the media have lost their critical thinking skills.

She and her parents are making a living out of this controversy. It's rather disingenuous to put one's self out there that far on the scale and expect only applause for it.

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queenmargo

Chi, I'm not a Trump supporter. I call myself a pragmatic libertarian. It's pretty much a party of one. LOL.

I rather like this pragmatic libertarian party of which you speak;)

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Chi

"She and her parents have put herself in the public eye on a controversial topic, and she makes controversial statements. So is our only choice to praise her for this?"

No, I don't think people have to only praise her. However, I think people should also be considering the power dynamic of the POTUS openly mocking her on the world stage, and whether that is appropriate of him or not. I don't think any child deserves that, especially not one that is genuinely trying to do good in the world, regardless of the role that parents may or may not have in it.

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patriceny

LOL. Thanks Margo. You will like me some days, other days less so. Ha ha.

You can think of me as somewhat Spock like. I try hard to not let my emotions get away from me. I make a reasonably good living knowing the difference between facts and opinions, and I love data. Combine that with a deeply conservative fiscal streak and a belief that it is not the goverment's job to save someone from themselves, and you end up with a me. :)

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elvis

A breath of fresh air. Thanks for being you! ;D

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patriceny

Thank you for the thoughtful reply Chi.

I 100% agree she means well and her heart is in the right place.

She's made her hatred of Trump well-known. She's poked the bear, as it were. I though his reply was pretty measured.

Again, I believe what comes out of her is genuine. However, she is being given a stage and a platform from which to speak by people who are much older/wiser than she and who have clear motives here. They are pumping her up and using her for shock value. It's actually rather brilliant in a way, because again it leaves people who strongly disagree with the platform at a disadvantage due to the complexities of her minor status.

I am really uncomfortable using a special-needs teenager in this way. That's why I fault her parents so much.


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Kathy

It doesn’t seem the parents are using her as much as her autism has been challenging for her parents. I doubt they thought her climate stance would have picked up this much energy.

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Rina

Measured? For him, perhaps. A mature response would have been along the lines of: "I don't agree with you, Ms Thunberg, but congratulations on the Time accolade." Dream on.

My real point, though, is the continual assumption that a highly intelligent 16-year-old is automatically a puppet for her parents or others, and the characterisation of her as "special needs" as though that were the equivalent of "handicapped". I wasn't as bright as she is at 16, but I was no puppet for anyone, in spite of the fact that I still had work to do to shake off some of the more egregious attitudes of my elders. By that age, though, they certainly had legal influence over what I did, but that's all.

And as for Asperger's being a handicap, perhaps one should consult members of the Asperger's community about that. I suspect, in fact, that a young person with Asperger's would be less easy to manipulate than one with a more commonplace emotional makeup, as the usual techniques for manipulation might not find fertile ground. I'm not claiming that as a fact, just gleaning it from my reading and viewing and a few people I've known. There seems to be a thread of steel in their characters.

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patriceny

"they certainly had legal influence over what I did, but that's all."

Yep, that is exactly my point.

I am not saying her opinions are necessarily being manufactured. Again, I 100% believe her motives are pure. I would suspect most of us can remember being 16 and holding some pretty strong opinions, AND being sure we were smarter than darn near everyone on the planet. It's called being a teenager. LOL.

Climate change has a far left, radical component. I don't trust or like radical components of either spectrum.

Your point about the Asperger's is perhaps actually giving her some positive shield from the public push-back is a very interesting idea. My first reaction is that is indeed possible.

She is a pawn in this, and she is being used. Her parents are making money, and the far left is having a field day. Public waves are a funny thing though, in that the wave can sometimes crash in unexpected ways.

It's all fun and games - right up until it isn't. I don't have children, but if I did I would hope I would be smarter than to let them be used in this fashion.

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elvis

Rina wrote: My real point, though, is the continual assumption that a highly intelligent 16-year-old is automatically a puppet for her parents or others, and the characterisation of her as "special needs" as though that were the equivalent of "handicapped".

Isn't that your assumption? No one here wrote that, just you. Here's a piece that sheds some light:

A comment under my previous article on Asperger Syndrome being a disability inspired me to write yet another article on the topic. The commenter, who was completely opposed to Neurodiversity (ND), said Asperger Syndrome is not a disability because it is not legally defined as such.

I am surprised that there is such a view out there in the autism community outside the ND movement that does not think Asperger Syndrome is a disability. Those who hold this view will claim that disability is a legal term. They will say that Asperger Syndrome is therefore not a disability because it is not covered by disability law. This view is incorrect. People with Asperger Syndrome are covered by the Individuals with Disabilities Act to receive accommodations in both work and in school...

Jake Crosby is a history student with Asperger Syndrome at Brandeis University, and a Contributing Editor to Age of Autism.

https://www.ageofautism.com/2009/07/why-asperger-syndrome-is-a-legal-disability.html

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Rina

No, Elvis, nobody wrote it. Nor did I say they did. They wrote sentences that suggested that it was particularly wicked that a "special needs" child/teenager should be ... whatever. Used, manipulated, etc. My reaction is an example of interpretation, not an example of quotation.

Jake Crosby's viewpoint is interesting, but it seems to refer to the legal implications of being regarded as "disabled", not to the abilities of the individual to think for themselves -- that's a different issue entirely. I think he might claim to be able to think for himself. I claim no more than that for Greta.

This sentence is suggestive, though, as it indicates clearly that there are views within the (broader) autism community at odds with his anyway, even on this limited legal issue: I am surprised that there is such a view out there in the autism community outside the ND movement that does not think Asperger Syndrome is a disability. (My emphasis.) Of course I can't say exactly what he's referring to, it simply makes it clear that he does't speak for everyone on the autism spectrum.

Patriceny: I would suspect most of us can remember being 16 and holding some pretty strong opinions, AND being sure we were smarter than darn near everyone on the planet. It's called being a teenager. LOL. You misunderstand me. I didn't think I was smarter than "darn near everyone". My mind was occupied with working my way towards answers to difficult questions. That mitigated somewhat against teenage arrogance. It is in retrospect that I realise that it was finding valid answers, from even before that age. The issues were serious and urgent, as are those Greta is dealing with. Perhaps that does something to a teenage mindset? Anyway, it wasn't an LOL matter for me or others in my position.

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patriceny

This is taking us in another direction (and I understand if no one but me finds it really interesting!) - but there is a pretty strong argument to be made the Asperger's isn't really a disability, in the typical sense anyway.

People with autism and Asperger's may have some emotional intelligence or communication differences, but may have some pretty extreme intelligence in other areas. (Think Sheldon Cooper in The Big Bang.)

The key in adulthood is finding a job with a strong focus on the extreme intelligence part with less job requirements in social or emotional IQ needs. Neurodiversity can be a competitive advantage in some situations. It's a pretty neat way of looking at differences.

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patriceny

Thanks Rina - we were just cross-posting.

I don't know you at all, so all I can go on is the words you post. Please know my "LOL" was not directed at anything you experienced in life, as I have no knowledge of what that may be.

Greta is being a teenager. I apologize if my use of "special needs" was offensive. Perhaps not neuro-typical would be a better way? What I'm trying to convey is that she is coming across as any other teenager would, but underlying that presentation are some nontypical emotional IQ issues.

Part of my concern is that her she herself has called out her Asperger's and selective mutism - and I'm concerned how the pressure-packed situation she finds herself in may be a very large cross to bear.

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Kathy

Where is the evidence Greta’s parents are making money from her? I only read a snopes article claiming she was highest paid activist which was false story.

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Rina

It might be, Patriceny -- for anyone, I think. But I've seen no signs of her having difficulty so far. She looked completely at her ease in Turin, for example.

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