A corrupt country, ruled by an autocrat and billionaire oligarchs.

chipotle


And it's not Russia.

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chisue

Aided and abetted by the serfs themselves.

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Jonnygun(zone 7)

Um, China? No, Brazil. No no Columbia, Venezuela! Wait, your talking about the US right? Or are you referring to the multi-nationals that influence most developed countries?

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queenmargo

stay and complain,,,,,,, blah blah blah

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JodiK

Those who value their rights and freedoms, Constitutionally and with regard to justice, not to mention actual principles of equity, ethics, empathy, etc... you know, all that moral/conduct stuff... should be complaining. The things that make America great are being chipped away, left and right... meanwhile, that same contingency of prostrated supporters are ignoring the important to argue the meaningless.

One of these days, it's going to be too late for us to say, "we told you so".

Thanks, Chipotle... I don't know how many realize exactly how right you are.


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haydayhayday

I love it.

Half the time you spend on here complaining about how awful the government is.

Half the time you spend on here advocating for even more government control over your lives.

Funny.

What's not so funny, of course, is that you insist that I join you in your craziness.


Hay


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haydayhayday

Jodik:


"...should be complaining..."

Curious:


Is it just as satisfying as banging your head against a wall?

Hay

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haydayhayday

"Aided and abetted by the serfs themselves."

Funny.

Here's the road you took to get here.

https://cdn.mises.org/Road%20to%20Serfdom%20in%20Cartoons.pdf


"Thanks, Barack. I could never have done it without you. Before you, I was just a part of the sideshow. Now i'm the ringmaster. Thanks to your and all that aided and abetted you."


"You were right. I'm sorry I've unleashed the likes of AOC, Bernie, etal..."



https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+warns+too+far+left&oq=obama+warns+too+far+left&aqs=chrome..69i57.4879j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

"Too bad we only get one chance in life to get it right."

Hay

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haydayhayday

"Thanks to you and all that aided and abetted."

If it's any consolation to you, you're not the first to fall into this trap.

It's not so easy to see.

Apparently.

USSR

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/),[1] is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party—officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP)—in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar ideas and aims.

("far-right groups". That's funny. Socialism is a "far-right group"? Funny. We need to get the NItpicker in here to define "socialism" for us. Funny.



I know, I know, this time it's going to be different....

Hay

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haydayhayday

There's nothing new under the sun.

We've been around this block before.

By the time we get all the way around, you'll have already forgot all about where we started.


Hay

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haydayhayday

("far-right groups". That's funny. Socialism is a "far-right group"? Funny. We need to get the NItpicker in here to define "socialism" for us. Really Funny.)

Actually it makes sense.

Back in the days after the leading Socialist systems failed, (USSR. Nazi.), real people tried to understand just how such madness came about.

The Road to Serfdom. Written by a Nobel Winning Economist. Cartoon form for you:

F A Hayek:

https://cdn.mises.org/Road%20to%20Serfdom%20in%20Cartoons.pdf

If you're going to be advocating so strongly for it, would it not make some sense to see what the smart people who lived through it have to say?

You need to actually repeat the mistakes yourself to learn?

George Orwell saw it all.

http://www.huzheng.org/geniusreligion/AnimalFarm.pdf

Hay






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chipotle

Demonstrated in Russian collusion, Republican cover-ups, outrageous drug prices, destruction of the environment, propaganda, and the attack on science and critical thought. Our country could easily lose the Democratic values it was built on.

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haydayhayday

"Our country could easily loose the Democratic values it was built on."


When this country "got built" there was considerably less government involved in our economic life. In all aspects of our life.

I grew up drinking moonshine. No tax. The good life.


Hay


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Jonnygun(zone 7)

This country was build on distrust of government and the individual rights of free men (people). We then spent the next couple hundred years watering it down, cause feelings.

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numbersjunkie

"I grew up drinking moonshine. No tax. The good life."

Explains a lot.

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haydayhayday

"Explains a lot."

I think you're right. Can't argue with that.

Hay

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queenmargo

LOL- Explains a lot.... what does that even mean, loll lol

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arthurm2015(Micro-Climate, Zone 10b Sydney, Australia)

No Tax, sounds wonderful. Just handed all the info. over to my tax guy. In the good old days when I worked for a living, in other words got paid a wage I used to do my own tax, Back then of course a human would carefully check everything on the form and decide whether or not I would get a refund or have to pay more TAX.

No humans, apart from the tax guy entering the data via his computer. Just the big brother computer checking that everything doesn't look dodgy and hopefully I'll get a refund cheque.

Hay, I know it is a waste of time...... But most of those failed states do not have regular, "democratic" elections. nothing much to do with whether they are Socialist or not. Do some research!


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Rina

Tired old claims that the Nazis were socialists should really be laid to rest. At first, Hitler used claims of socialism to attract the support of workers, in line with the name of the party he had joined. The pretence was dropped as his power solidified. See https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists -- a brief and easily readable explanation of why the Nazi party was in no way socialist, "after 1934". It concludes:

"Lest there be any remaining questions about the political character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934, during the Night of the Long Knives. Any remaining traces of socialist thought in the Nazi Party had been extinguished."

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haydayhayday

Rina:

"Tired old claims that the Nazis were socialists should really be laid to rest. At first, Hitler used claims of socialism to attract the support of workers, in line with the name of the party he had joined. The pretence was dropped as his power solidified. See https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists -- a brief and easily readable explanation of why the Nazi party was in no way socialist, "after 1934". It concludes:"

Pretty much the path I laid out.


Hay

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ubro(2a)

But most of those failed states do not have regular, "democratic" elections. nothing much to do with whether they are Socialist or not. Do some research!

Bingo!!!!

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Delilah66

“What's not so funny, of course, is that you insist that I join you in your craziness”

Sorry/not sorry, we don’t want or need you. We’re still a democratic republic. We invite all the republican’ts to get over themselves.

trumpf: ringmaster of the clown show

”Actually it makes sense.”

Funny you embrace that but republican’ts continue to reject the post-civil war reversal of the Republican and Democrat parties. Or perhaps their brains just can’t retain facts.

”I grew up drinking moonshine.”

Ah, the secret to the successful death of republican’t brain cells.

”This country was build on distrust of government and the individual rights of free men (people).”

Close but no cigar. The country was founded based on desire for freedom and the right for self determination. The Constitution was framed to ensure no one person could control the government unchecked.

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haydayhayday

Arthrum and Ubro: (Double teaming Hay)

But most of those failed states do not have regular, "democratic" elections. nothing much to do with whether they are Socialist or not. Do some research!

Bingo!!!!

Hay:


"I know, I know, this time it's going to be different...."


P. T. Barnum:

"There's a sucker born every minute"

Chavez was elected. Twice!

Maduro?... I've lost count.

Hay

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rob333 (zone 7a)

Complaining? I think that's what the Declaration and Constitution are all about. Not only do we have a right, we have an obligation.


"...and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal
station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation... That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter..."


Moreover, and most importantly: "In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury.


wait, this is the most most important part.

"A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

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haydayhayday

Deliah:

"“What's not so funny, of course, is that you insist that I join you in your craziness”

Sorry/not sorry, we don’t want or need you. We’re still a democratic republic. We invite all the republican’ts to get over themselves"

Oh, good, I can opt out of Medicare and Social Security and.....but.....You do need someone like me to pay for it, though, don't you?

"Republican'ts?"

No party would ever let me join them.

”I grew up drinking moonshine.”

Ah, the secret to the successful death of republican’t brain cells.

Nah, just part of understanding that the government wants its hand in every bit of our lives... And that it never works.

"Republican'ts" again?

TDS?



"The country was founded based on desire for freedom and the right for self determination."

Worth repeating.

"The country was founded based on desire for freedom and the right for self determination."


Worth repeating.

"The country was founded based on desire for freedom and the right for self determination."

Worth reading through all the other nonsense to see that.

Hay




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haydayhayday

Rob:

"Complaining? I think that's what the Declaration and Constitution are all about. Not only do we have a right, we have an obligation."

You're doing your part!

Good for you.

Hay

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rob333 (zone 7a)

You can change my word to protesting Hay. I protest what is going on at the very top levels. Though, I can't for the life of me, figure out why y'all are endorsing it. They're robbing you blind!

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haydayhayday

"Though, I can't for the life of me, figure out why y'all are endorsing it."

Who's y'all?

I'm not endorsing.

I'm showing you how YOU got us to where YOU are complaining about.

Hay



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rob333 (zone 7a)

I'm not complaining. Say it all you want, but it's not what I've done. Others may, but you can't count me in that group. You can even wallpaper a thread with it, it still won't be true. I've been befuddled, disgusted and even depressed (PURELY over the destruction of our nation), but I've not complained.


Anyone who endorses what is going on in Washington is y'all.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

"A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

Thanks for the reminder, Rob. Worth repeating.

Kate

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Rina

Strictly out of courtesy, replying to Hay:

You miss my point by a mile, but I'm not going to argue it with you. I've spent enough decades arguing with people who use similar techniques to bother, and I tried to engage with you (on a non-political matter, even) on a previous occasion. That didn't work, this won't work. Just by way of explanation why you won't get any further response from me if you want to reply to this. In the end, I waited for history to prove my point, and it did.

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haydayhayday

Rob:

" I've been befuddled, disgusted and even depressed (PURELY over the destruction of our nation), but I've not complained."

I love this forum!

Hay

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haydayhayday

Kate:

"A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

Thanks for the reminder, Rob. Worth repeating."

Complain, complain, complain.

Doesn't help with the problem that YOU created.

Hay

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haydayhayday

Rina:

"You miss my point by a mile, but I'm not going to argue it with you. I've spent enough decades arguing with people who use similar techniques to bother, and I tried to engage with you (on a non-political matter, even) on a previous occasion. That didn't work, this won't work. Just by way of explanation why you won't get any further response from me if you want to reply to this. In the end, I waited for history to prove my point, and it did."

I thought we had finally agreed. Germany started out on a Socialist path and ended up with Hitler.

Same ole.


If you want to let me do all the talking, I'm not going to argue with you. So there!

Hay

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chisue

Will someone provide Hay with an emoji for *stamping his little foot*?

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ubro(2a)

I love it.

Half the time you spend on here complaining about how awful the government is.

Half the time you spend on here advocating for even more government control over your lives.

Funny.

What's not so funny, of course, is that you insist that I join you in your craziness.

And???? You can do both you know and not be hypocritical. You can complain about the current government and still advocate for more governmental control. Wishing that the government would control the deficit, industry for a cleaner environment, or better healthcare, is reasonable.

You can both dislike the current governmental policies and wish for them to do better. Your argument is full of holes.

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