Yet *Another* Incident Near London Bridge-Suspect Killed

catkinZ8a

Those darn Amish. Oh wait...

Multiple victims injured, the perpetrator was shot and killed by the police.

UK TOP NEWS

NOVEMBER 29, 2019 / 6:26 AM / UPDATED 10 MINUTES AGO

British police shoot dead ***** man at London Bridge, declare terrorism incident

Peter Nicholls, Michael Holden

LONDON (Reuters) - British police on Friday shot dead a man who had strapped a fake **** to his body and st****** a number of people in what they said was a terrorism incident in the London Bridge area of the capital.

Police said they had been alerted at just before 2 p.m. to a stabbing at a premises near London Bridge, the scene of a deadly attack by******* ********* two years ago.

“A male suspect was shot by specialist armed officers from the City of London police and I can confirm that this suspect died at the scene,” the United Kingdom’s top counter-terrorism officer, Neil Basu, told reporters.

“A number of other people received injuries during this incident,” Basu said. “We believe a device that was strapped to the body of the suspect was a hoax explosive de****.”

A video posted on Twitter showed a group of about half a dozen men wrestling with someone on the ground on the sidewalk of the bridge. One of them backs away from the scene carrying a k****.

As he looks towards the melee, an armed police officer drags another person away from the man on the floor. Soon after, what sound like two gunshots ring out, and the man on the ground stops moving. Reuters could not immediately verify the footage.

PRIME MINISTER RETURNS TO LONDON

The ambulance service declared a “major incident” in the area and London Bridge station, a busy commuter hub, was closed.

People in buildings around the scene were evacuated to the north side of the River Thames by security services.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson was on his way back to Downing Street and Basu said he would be giving him a full briefing.

“I’m being kept updated on the incident at London Bridge and want to thank the police and all emergency services for their immediate response,” Johnson said in a statement.

London Bridge was the scene of an attack in June 2017 when three militants drove a van into pedestrians and then attacked people in the surrounding area, killing eight people and injuring at least 48.

I****** State said its fighters were responsible.

The month before, a suicide bo**** killed 22 children and adults and wounded 59 at a packed concert hall in the English city of Manchester, as crowds began leaving a concert by U.S. singer Ariana Grande.

And in March the same year, an attacker stabbed a policeman close to London’s parliament buildings after a car ploughed into pedestrians on nearby Westminster Bridge.

Six people died, including the assailant and the policeman he stab***, and at least 20 were injured in what police called a “marauding ter****** attack”.

Earlier this month, Britain had lowered its national ter****** threat level to “substantial” from “severe”, its lowest level since 2014.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-security/british-police-shoot-dead-knife-man-at-london-bridge-declare-terrorism-incident-idUKKBN1Y31NO

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Carro

Crickets. Shocking.

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Stan Areted

Senior citizen, white Protestant visitor?

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Stan Areted

OUTLAW KNIVES!

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foodonastump

*** ** * ******?

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margaux

I read the news first thing this morning. Is there something new released about the suspect? A male suspect it says here.

Remember when that guy with the anti-immigrant manifesto shot and killed 22 Mexicans in the El Paso WalMart and no one on the right said anything until there was a second shooting the next day that they glommed onto instead?

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Nana H

Just awful! Thank goodness guns are so hard to come by in the UK. Just think of the devastation if it was a high powered weapon like the ones used in the horrific number of mass murders that happen in the US.

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Rina

You have a point, Nana. I feel find it vaguely repulsive, though, that the only reason this was posted was to make some dubious political point. No expression of sympathy for the victims, or the trauma London must suffer from an incident like this. As though all the world and its tragedies existed just to stroke one's political prejudices.

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catkinZ8a

Rina, that all goes without saying, duh.


Beware if your travels take you there.



Knife crime

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Knife crime in England and Wales rises 8% over year

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Police record 43,000 offences involving a knife or sharp instrument, official data shows


Amy Walker

Thu 18 Jul 2019 06.26 EDT


Knife crime-related offences rose by 8% in England and Wales in the past year, government figures have shown.

Between April 2018 and March 2019, police forces recorded 43,516 offences involving a knife or sharp instrument, in comparison with 40,215 in the year ending March 2018.


The increase, based on data from 43 police forces in England and Wales, excludes Greater Manchester police (GMP) due to the force’s undercounting of knife-related crimes in previous years.

When crimes involving a knife or sharp instrument recorded by GMP over the past year are factored in, the figure for offences in England and Wales is 47,136 – the highest since records began.

Of those incidents, 32% happened in London – where for every 100,000 people, there were 169 knife-related offences.

Outside of the capital, the areas with the highest rates were Greater Manchester, the West Midlands and West Yorkshire, where there were 129, 118 and 116 knife-related offences per 100,000 people respectively.

In recent weeks, the government has come under increased scrutiny over their tackling of Britain’s knife crime crisis after it extended controversial stop and search powers.



https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/18/knife-crime-england-wales-police

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elvis

Remember when that guy with the anti-immigrant manifesto shot and killed 22 Mexicans in the El Paso WalMart and no one on the right said anything until there was a second shooting the next day that they glommed onto instead?

Nope. You misremember.

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catkinZ8a

Another just now in The Hague. :(

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50609528

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lily316

There would have been a slaughter if the murderer had an AK47.

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maddiemo

I hope the media focus is on the heroic men that tackled and restrained the attacker until the police arrived.

No chance of that if he’d had a gun.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Catkin, not sure what you're trying to prove but you do seem to relish any violence that happens in other countries. Schadenfreude personified. I suspect Rina's theory is correct.

You do realise that 'knife crime' includes everything to do with knives including simply carrying one and even attempting to buy one if you're under 18. Also threatening and robbery with a knife, which would almost certainly be carried out with a gun in the US.

I'm popping up to London tomorrow and intend to enjoy my visit as much as usual. But thank you so much for the warning to 'beware'.

Some reading for you.


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HamiltonGardener

Catkin,

Keep in mind that statistically an American reduces his chances of being murdered simply by visiting London instead of staying home.



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HamiltonGardener

It’s an amazing video. You can actually see the point where they realize he is wearing (what turns out to be a fake) suicide vest. They scatter away while the cops have their guns trained. Finally, there is only one bystander left holding this guy down. A cop drags the last guy away, the terrorist moves to get up, and the police fire.

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vee_new

As someone from England I occasionally look in here and was sorry to read the apparently flippant remarks at the opening of this thread.

Any attack whether from knives or guns on innocent people is to be deplored. Back during the 7/7 underground and bus attacks my DD was living in London and although not directly involved her work-place was 'locked-down' all day and she had to walk five miles home that evening. She did admit that travelling by Tube the following morning was nerve-wracking but had to be faced.

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Stan Areted

Rina:

"You have a point, Nana. I feel find it vaguely repulsive, though, that the only reason this was posted was to make some dubious political point. No expression of sympathy for the victims, or the trauma London must suffer from an incident like this. As though all the world and its tragedies existed just to stroke one's political prejudices."


You don't know squat about why this incident was posted.

As to expression of sympathy for the victims, libs need to make up their minds because I've been insulted for the last time for saying a word about thinking about victims and their familes OR praying for them.

Ignore, pray, think of them, feel sorry for them, send them money, NOTHING IS GOOD ENOUGH.

Fix the problem of crime or quit complaining about how others react to it.

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catkinZ8a

London Bridge attacker was convicted terrorist and wore electronic tag


James Hockaday

Friday 29 Nov 2019 10:09 pm


The knifeman who killed two people at London Bridge this afternoon was known to police, a security source has said. He is also believed to have been a recently released former prisoner who was wearing an electronic tag. Sources also say the attacker, who was shot dead by police, had links to Islamist terror groups. The assailant, who was wearing a fake suicide vest, is yet to be named. According to The Times, he was released from jail a year ago after agreeing to wear an electronic tag and have his movements monitored.


But speaking at a meeting of the Government’s emergency Cobra committee Prime Minister Boris Johnson hinted the suspect had previously been convicted of terror offences.


He said he had ‘long argued’ it was a ‘mistake to allow serious and violent criminals to come out of prison early’. Johnson added: ‘It is very important that we get out of that habit and that we enforce the appropriate sentences for dangerous criminals, especially for terrorists, that I think the public will want to see.’ A maintenance worker who witnessed today’s attack, which left three injured, claims he was told the assailant had been in prison for terrorism offences. Jamie Bakhit, 24, from Purley, Croydon, said he spoke to one of the men who helped wrestle the knifeman to the ground after they were taken to the Salvation Army headquarters to be interviewed by police. He said: ‘The guy who was on top of him said he [the attacker] had been in prison for terrorism, apparently.



Full:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/29/london-bridge-attacker-links-terror-groups-known-police-11244011/

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margaritadina

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HamiltonGardener

Catkin,

Keep in mind that statistically an American reduces his chances of
being murdered simply by visiting London instead of staying home.

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And realistically the American couple killed on the bridge(?) by a muslim terrorist would have been alive to day.

My deepest sympathy, GB. Another peace of scum killed good people.

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Stan Areted

And, there you go.

You get more of what you subsidize and encourage, and more of what you excuse and ignore.


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Carro

How'd this terrorist get out of prison to begin with?

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Stan Areted

Good intentions, maybe quotas.

Maybe for a religious holiday or library research.

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catkinZ8a

Well, what could possibly have gone wrong?

Frau Merkel knew it back in 2010.

Merkel Admits: German Multiculturalism Has ‘Utterly Failed’







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Carro

2 dead in London. Horrific.

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margaritadina

Strength to victims families.

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Rina

Stan, you don't know squat about what I know.

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lurker111

What about the guy who picked up the weapon and ran with it? What was that bag of white stuff that he pulled out of his pocket and threw on the ground?

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Stan Areted

Rina:

Stan, you don't know squat about what I know.


I know what you don't know, and that is the intention of the OP and their mind, which is what I said you don't know.


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margaritadina

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Carro

How'd this terrorist get out of prison to begin with?

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The justice system in the UK is a liberal failure. That's the only reason why two wonderful people are dead.

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margaritadina

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catkinZ8a

Killer was Usman Khan.

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And GB was going to rehab him with extreme kindness. The judge assigned him to the rehab program where he killed two people - the rehab program coordinator and a woman.

How one can possibly think that islamic terrorist can be rehabilitated? No sweet talk ever kept a rabid dog from attacking.

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Rina

Oh, gosh, if the OP was not meant to make a political point, the entire discussion has gone in the wrong direction. Perhaps the poster should redirect it?

Enough with this pointless little exchange. Has a direct link been established between Khan and his victim Jack Merrit? It certainly looks as though Merrit was the target victim, and the murder of the woman perhaps incidental to that. One heck of a coincidence otherwise.

Incidentally, I am not in favour of letting violent criminals of any ilk out of prison before they have served their full term, on the whole. There would always be exceptions, but I think it happens too frequently and I suspect it has as much to do with the economics of managing limited prison space as anything else.


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margaritadina

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Rina Has a direct link been
established between Khan and his victim Jack Merrit? It certainly looks
as though Merrit was the target victim, and the murder of the woman
perhaps incidental to that. One heck of a coincidence otherwise.

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Jack was a released criminals rehab program coordinator. Personally I don't see Jack been a target, I see the crime as a crime of opportunity.

Ironically, another criminal (the murderer, guilty of a very nasty murder of a young woman) tried to help a victim, a woman. He was also assigned to the same rehab program as Khan.

What I don't like, in some articles published on the web Khan is referred as ''maniac''. He was not a maniac. He was an islamic terrorist. ISIS already took a responsibility for the attack.



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Rina

Thanks for the reply. So you think that Khan was armed, and had a fake bomb vest on, and just came across Merritt? That might be so in a sense -- though not that he was just randomly wandering around. I've just found the piece below, which suggests that he may have made the opportunity and been attacking not specifically Merritt but a group of like-minded people, and Merritt is the one who died:

Khan had been attending an event for alumni celebrating the five-year anniversary of Learning Together, police said. The group, a network of academics and criminal justice organizations, is affiliated with the University of Cambridge's Institute of Criminology, the website for the event said.

( https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/01/europe/london-bridge-stabbing/index.html )

Apologies if that has been mentioned above, I can't find it.

I don't think anyone can know anything about Khan's sanity until further information is released. No doubt he will be psychiatrically examined, but I agree that most people who hate are not maniacs. As for ISIS -- they would likely claim responsibility whether or not.

It's so heartbreaking to read about Jack Merritt. He seems to have been an extraordinarily good young man.

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Ziemia(6a)

It was Boris Johnson's side of government that let him out. They've been in power for some time now.

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Vada(10)

"Khan, who was released on parole 11 months ago with an electronic tracking device on his ankle, began his attack Friday afternoon as he was entering a conference intended to rehabilitate violent offenders and terrorists. He stabbed at least five people before he was tackled by members of the public and shot dead by police."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/boris-johnson-and-jeremy-corbyn-trade-blame-over-early-release-of-london-bridge-knife-terrorist/2019/12/01/604d8e74-13a0-11ea-924c-b34d09bbc948_story.html

This was foolish, like thinking that restraining order will stop wife beater.

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Nana H

"ISIS already took a responsibility for the attack."

I wonder if ISIS may be feeling emboldened now that they get to reclaim their space in Syria pretty much unencumbered.

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Rina

Nana, I think the Syria situation has greatly emboldened ISIS, in all likelihood. How could it not? It was a tremendous symbolic and psychological boost for them.

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catkinZ8a

"Jack Merritt, 25, was a course coordinator at Learning Together, which organised the prison rehabilitation conference attended by Usman Khan before his deadly rampage on Friday afternoon."


https://unitedjournalism.co.uk/2019/12/01/london-bridge-terror-attack-victim-dedicated-his-life-to-helping-others/

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margaritadina

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Rina Thanks for the reply. So you think that Khan was armed, and had a fake bomb vest on, and just came across Merritt?

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It's hard to understand what was going through Khan's mind but I think that in attacks like this one victims are random - ''whomever I can harm easy''. Not sure. If the terrorist and Jack communicated online before the event something might have sparked personal hate and made Jack a targeted victim.

What struck me most, in this rehab program one student is pared with one released criminal in a civil environment, so it is assumed that released criminals are harmless. Looks like there was no metal detector or a police officer checking criminals attendees for weapons. Softy justice system release very serious offenders just to show how humane it is and the rehab program mentors (? students) assume that they are safe sharing the space with these people because they rely on the parole board judgement. System error every step of the way.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

It would be fitting if some commenters took a bit of time out from speculation, guesswork and blame-laying and reflected on these words from Jack Merritt's parents.

"Jack was an intelligent, thoughtful and empathetic person.

"We know Jack would not want this terrible, isolated incident to be used as a pretext by the government for introducing even more draconian sentences on prisoners, or for detaining people in prison for longer than necessary."

I'm back from my trip to London now and I'm pleased to say it was its usual vibrant, diverse and exciting self.

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margaritadina

floral_uk, it was not an isolated incident, by now it is a pattern.

I respect Jack's parents opinion, but there are other people don't want to die in the name of a beautiful slogans shaming ''draconian measures''.

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Nana H

Not sure I understand the moral outrage when an radical Islamist is involved and yet the relative dismissal when it is a young white male with a semi automatic in a mall, a school , a movie theater or a concert. To me they are both equally as terrifying .


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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Do you have some evidence of a 'pattern'. I'd be interested in seeing some statistics.

And regarding Nana's point, yesterday's shooting of 11 people in a New Orleans tourist spot hasn't even been mentioned on HT. Perhaps it doesn't bolster the required narrative? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50619957

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elvis

yesterday's shooting of 11 people in a New Orleans tourist spot hasn't even been mentioned on HT.

Until now. You could start a thread!

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Carro

Has radical Islamic terrorism come to the French Quarter?

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Carro


Nana H

Not sure I understand the moral outrage when an radical Islamist is involved and yet the relative dismissal when it is a young white male with a semi automatic in a mall, a school , a movie theater or a concert. To me they are both equally as terrifying .

Similarly terrifying. Not at all the same in provenance.

Kahn will do nothing about it.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Elvis, Schadenfreude isn't my thing. Also I try to only comment on topics I have some actual knowledge of. And I don't wish to get into the gun question yet again,

Nor do I think it fitting, Carro, to slag off Mayors of US cities. The British justice system has nothing to do with the Mayor of London. Just another chance for a dig, for obvious reasons. And perhaps his name could be spelled correctly.

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Carro


Nana H

"ISIS already took a responsibility for the attack."

I wonder if ISIS may be feeling emboldened now that they get to reclaim their space in Syria pretty much unencumbered.

Orrrrrrrrrrrr-- no terrorist should ever be released into civilized society. That seems far more plausible.

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Nana H

"Orrrrrrrrrrrr-- no terrorist should ever be released into civilized society"

Perhaps , but that does not negate my thought. I wonder if ISIS is feeling emboldened now that they are pretty much free to reestablish themselves in Syria. I don't think it' an either Orrrrrrrrrrr

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elvis

Maybe it's an either/ourrrrrrr.

Just having a little fun.

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Carro

ISIS isn't free to do anything. We killed al Bagdadi (sp) and his replacement no sooner warmed the throne, and he was dusted. Boom!

So, no, this isn't Obama's JV team. There is no caliphate. There is no territory.


There's just a terrorist who's been plotting this for a very long time.

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Rina

Just for the record, out of respect, the other murder victim was a young woman named Saskia Jones.


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maddiemo

Pausing to read your BBC link vee_new. Thank you for that.


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woodnymph2_gw

I never saw the meme. As an American, I apologize for the rude comments on this thread. I had no part in that.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

As I said, I doubted it.

eta since writing this the meme has gone again.

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elvis

woodnymph2_gw

I never saw the meme. As an American, I apologize for the rude comments on this thread. I had no part in that.

Were the "rude comments" all made by Americans?

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catkinZ8a

Wake up, UK!




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maddiemo

Catkin, I was about to go to bed. However, since you’ve called, what is it you want the UK to wake up to?

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margaritadina

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Do you have some evidence of a 'pattern'. I'd be interested in seeing some statistics.

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You don't see the pattern? This fits then



''And regarding Nana's point, yesterday's shooting of 11 people in a
New Orleans tourist spot hasn't even been mentioned on HT. Perhaps it
doesn't bolster the required narrative? ''

You seem to be a little defensive. No one here attacks your country,
just your stupid incarceration system that released hard core islamic
terrorist. There was a ton of evidence that he was not going to change -
and they let him walk free.


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maddiemo

We know Catkin. Mistakes were made in the release process and he should have been put before a parole board before release. It’s all under review and hopefully the same approach won’t ever be allowed to happen again.

We’re not asleep. We maybe just deal with things differently.

You know violent criminals exist in all countries.

You seem to have a bit of an exaggerated view of how things are in London, which is fine, it’s just not reality.

Nitey Nite



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maddiemo

Catkin, I’m a pretty easy going kind of gal but Dick Van Dykes Cockney accent is a step too far.

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Ziemia(6a)

Take it up with Boris's party. They've held the government for awhile now. .

You seem to be a little defensive. No one here attacks your country, just your stupid incarceration system that released hard core islamic terrorist. "

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elvis

maddiemo

Catkin, I’m a pretty easy going kind of gal but Dick Van Dykes Cockney accent is a step too far.

This reminds me of the class system in England. This Michael Caine interview talks about that.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=england+class+system+cockney+accent&view=detail&mid=197B456A03D3E4BA0BBE197B456A03D3E4BA0BBE&FORM=VIRE

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