New Zealand's Government Gun Grab Shaping Up To Be A Massive Failure

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New Zealand’s Gun Confiscation Shaping Up To Be Massive Failure

Posted at 12:57 pm on November 4, 2019 by Cam Edwards


New Zealand’s gun grab, instituted in the wake of the Christchurch massacre, isn’t going so great. In fact, with less than two months to go before the government-imposed deadline, fewer than 20% of the estimated number of banned firearms have been handed over.
New Zealand Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this week that more than 32,000 prohibited weapons have been returned to the government since collections began in mid-July. Some estimates put the number of newly-banned military-style semi-automatic rifles in the country at up to 175,000.
This would suggest a compliance rate, so far, as low as 18 percent, 16 weeks into the buyback program. With seven weeks left to go until the amnesty period ends, if the current rate of return holds, the New Zealand government is on track to collect around 50,000 prohibited weapons pursuant to the buyback. That would impute a final compliance rate of around 29 percent, at the lower end, which would represent a modest but tangible success for policymakers.

A “modest but tangible success”? I think it’s more like a complete failure. Let’s say when the deadline passes less than one third of the banned firearms have been turned in. What exactly has been accomplished, other than the compensated confiscation of a few thousand firearms and the criminalization of tens of thousands of otherwise law-abiding citizens?
New Zealand’s estimated measure of success compares unfavorably to a similar program enacted in nearby Australia in 1996 and 1997. A well-cited review of that program reported a final compliance rate of anywhere from 40 percent to 80 percent.
However, New Zealand’s collection thus far still represents meaningful gains, especially when compared to how the U.S. has fared when trying to regulate assault weapons.
When analogous programs have been proposed in U.S. states, results have often been far less encouraging. New York passed the landmark SAFE Act in 2013, which required gun owners to register assault weapons as part of the state’s newly-expanded definition for those types of military-style rifles. One estimate put the registration rate at around 4 percent.

Yes, the compliance rate of the SAFE Act has been far lower than the New Zealand gun confiscation. That doesn’t mean that a compliance rate of less than 33% is a “success” by any means. And don’t forget, in New Zealand, gun owners don’t have the protection of the Second Amendment, as their prime minister has repeatedly stated.
“Owning a firearm is a privilege not a right,” New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said in September as the country’s parliament considered new gun control laws. “We absolutely recognize there is a legitimate need in our communities to be able to access guns, particularly our rural community, but what these changes do is recognize that actually there’s a real responsibility that comes with gun ownership.”

There’s a real responsibility that comes with making laws as well, and so far it looks like Ardern’s gun ban is going to create more armed criminals than disarm them, since she’s turning law-abiding gun owners into felons for simply maintaining possession of their legally acquired firearms. I’d say that’s pretty irresponsible, no matter how well-intended the gun grab may have been. There’s no such thing as banning your way to safety, but you can definitely ban your way to massive non-compliance. Six weeks away from its deadline, it looks like that’s exactly where New Zealand is headed.


https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/11/04/new-zealands-gun-confiscation-shaping-massive-failure/


New Zealand Gun Confiscation Failing — So How About In the USA?

11.08.2019 | News | Daily Surge


Surge Summary: Those who think a firearms buyback (gun confiscation) scheme might be America’s answer to gun violence? Check out New Zealand’s program — which is failing.

Over at The Resurgent, Joseph Sacco updates that with its amnesty period soon to close, New Zealand’s gun-buyback program hasn’t been very successful.

For a long time, Leftists have assured gun owners gun-control would never include firearm confiscation. It was a façade those on the Right didn’t accept – and was finally and usefully revealed to be a sham when Beto O’Rourke and Eric Swalwell became candidates for president. They both came to brazenly stand for removing firearms from law abiding citizens.
New Zealand is the latest example of a country pursuing an all-out firearm ban as a direct result of the Christchurch shooting. The New Zealand government instituted a buyback program, the amnesty period is ending within the next two months. And so far, the results have not been impressive.

Cam Edwards at Bearingarm.com noted:
With less than two months to go before the government-imposed deadline, fewer than 20% of the estimated number of banned firearms have been handed over.

Shocker! I wonder why? Perhaps because big guv Leftists routinely scant human nature in their policy formulation. Their entire worldview, in fact, is rooted in reality-denial.

In fact, observes Sacco, at the current rate:
The New Zealand government is on track to collect around 50,000 prohibited weapons pursuant to the buyback. That would impute a final compliance rate of around 29 percent, at the lower end, which would represent a modest but tangible success for policymakers.
If the Left in the United States thinks that a buyback program would work, all they have to do is look at the New Zealand and New York SAFE Act both of which have been extremely unsuccessful. Persons want the ability to defend themselves and New Zealanders, without explicit protection of the right to bear arms, appear to have made the decision to brave the upcoming deadline without turning over their firearms.

It’s safe to assume, saturated as it has been for centuries in Second Amendment rights, America would respond with even less alacrity to any kind of buy back (confiscation!) measure.

Thanks, Kiwis, for underscoring what won’t work in the effort to diminish gun violence – in your nation, or eight-thousand miles east of you here in America.


https://dailysurge.com/2019/11/new-zealand-gun-confiscation-failing-so-how-about-in-the-usa/


November 5th, 2019

New Zealand gun buyback has yielded poor results.

by Joseph Sacco


With the amnesty period closing rapidly, the program hasn’t been very successful.

For years, the Left has told us that gun control would never include confiscation of firearms. That façade, which those on the Right didn’t buy for a second, was finally shattered when Beto O’Rourke and Eric Swalwell based their entire brief presidential campaigns on removing firearms from law abiding citizens.

New Zealand is the latest example of a country pursuing an all-out firearm ban as a direct result of the Christchurch shooting. The New Zealand government instituted a buy back program, the amnesty period is ending within the next two months. And so far, the results have not been impressive.

According to Cam Edwards at Bearingarm.com noted:
With less than two months to go before the government-imposed deadline, fewer than 20% of the estimated number of banned firearms have been handed over.

Color me shocked that law-abiding citizens would be hesitant to turn over firearms. In fact, at the current rate:
The New Zealand government is on track to collect around 50,000 prohibited weapons pursuant to the buyback. That would impute a final compliance rate of around 29 percent, at the lower end, which would represent a modest but tangible success for policymakers.

If the Left in the United States thinks that a buy back program would work, all they have to do is look at the New Zealand and New York SAFE Act, both of which have been extremely unsuccessful. Persons want the ability to defend themselves and New Zealanders, without explicit protection of the right to bear arms, appear to have made the decision to brave the upcoming deadline without turning over their firearms.

Thank goodness for the 2nd Amendment.


https://theresurgent.com/2019/11/05/new-zealand-gun-buyback-has-yielded-poor-results/

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bob_cville

Extrapolating rates of compliance during the middle of a period with a deadline at the end, and expecting that the rates thus far will remain substantially the same as the deadline approaches is foolish and/or disingenuous.

I'll bet if accountants were to report compliance rates for income tax filings as of the end of February and projected that rate forward until April 15th they'd be proclaiming that only about XX% of all taxpayers will have filed by the deadline, when, of course, many, many people put off filing until the very last instant or even file an extension and put it off until much later in the year.

But yeah, go ahead relay these breathless pronouncements based on foolish projections.

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floodwaters

Not much need to look at what happens in other countries. This country will not buy into any of that stuff. Sure, a small percentage might turn em in. But take the number of semi auto guns that are counted as owned here, then double that. That makes just about 20 million AR types alone. Now consider there are enough parts out there and the number is probably more like 75 million just AR rifles, that's not including the millions of other style rifles and carbines which exist dating from about 1906. Its just ridiculous to imsgine a buy back is feasible.

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catkinZ8a

Virtue signaling Ardern has a fight on her hands, it would seem.

Will she have noncompliant people arrested and imprisoned?

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Rina

In my opinion, imprisonment would probably be too harsh in most cases. I would hope they would be prosecuted and fined, or perhaps given a suspended sentence. I would prefer a fine, to help cover the costs of prosecution and trial. Most of all, of course, their illegal guns should be confiscated without compensation.

By the way, "virtue signalling" is not the same as simply being virtuous, which is how I would broadly categorise Ardern.

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how2girl

catkin8a Would you like to explain exactly what you’ve got against the New Zealand PM?

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