The name we shouldn't speak! Wonder why?

mrskjun(9)

"The whistleblower is now pretty well outed by investigative journalist Paul Sperry, and it's underwhelming. He's been identified as one Eric Ciaramella, 33, prep school grad, Yalie, Obama backwash, political operative, and fanatic Trump-hater. Hardly the Mister Probity concerned about national security that's been painted.

Sperry did the digging but pointed out that that the man's identity had been an open secret in the Beltway, with mainstream media doing their darnedest to keep his name from being attached to his rather spectacular charges.
Federal documents reveal that the 33-year-old Ciaramella, a registered Democrat held over from the Obama White House, previously worked with former Vice President Joe Biden and former CIA Director John Brennan, a vocal critic of Trump who helped initiate the Russia "collusion" investigation of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election."
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/10/whistleblower_eric_ciaramella_is_this_the_best_theyve_got.html

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Izzy Mn(4)

Glad he did it. He is a patriot. Only one that was really brave enough to step up first. He probably knew even with WB protection some slime ball would put him in personal danger to intimidate others.

By the way.....he isn't the only one who are now reporting on the Ukraine phone call who are testifying.

I say thank God he stepped up.

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Carro

The WB has nothing to report about the call because he wasn't on the call.

No, Don Jr. didn't "out" him. His name was put out there last week.


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Carro

I say thank God the GOP is going to call the WB to testify and find out how this latest coup was instigated. Of course, the slimy lawyer needs to answer, too.

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catkinZ8a

Sperry's article naming Ciaramella was out on October 30th, lol.

'Charlie' also was in cahoots with Lisa Page and Psycho Strozk.

It's all a sham, another Radical Dem kangaroo court in an attempt to change minds before the damning reports come out..

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Carro

mrskjun, there is no law that a WB name can't be released. If that were the case Diane Feinstein would be wearing stripes for leaking crazy-pants Ford.

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catkinZ8a

LOL, the whole of WASHINGTON KNOWS HIS IDENTITY!

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Carro

Democrats didn't redact his name!

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catkinZ8a

Carro

mrskjun, there is no law that a WB name can't be released. If that were the case Diane Feinstein would be wearing stripes for leaking crazy-pants Ford.

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Old bat DI-CHINA's been pretty quiet, hasn't she? :winkwink:

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Jennifer

So???? A Ivy League Democrat shouldn’t be a patriot.? And by the way I didn’t know his name so thanks for parroting greasy Donnie.

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paprikash

The conspirator (he is NOT a WB) sounds like another dem slimeball. He and Schiff, et al are NOT patriots; they are party over country scum

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catkinZ8a

Ask yourself---WHY would Sperry go to the trouble of clarifying the pronunciation of Ciaramella's name?

The Beltway's 'Whistleblower' Furor Obsesses Over One Name


By Paul Sperry, RealClearInvestigations
October 30, 2019, 4:21 PM Eastern

For a town that leaks like a sieve, Washington has done an astonishingly effective job keeping from the American public the name of the anonymous “whistleblower" who triggered impeachment proceedings against President Trump — even though his identity is an open secret inside the Beltway.

More than two months after the official filed his complaint, pretty much all that’s known publicly about him is that he is a CIA analyst who at one point was detailed to the White House and is now back working at the CIA.

But the name of a government official fitting that description — Eric Ciaramella — has been raised privately in impeachment depositions, according to officials with direct knowledge of the proceedings, as well as in at least one open hearing held by a House committee not involved in the impeachment inquiry. Fearing their anonymous witness could be exposed, Democrats this week blocked Republicans from asking more questions about him and intend to redact his name from all deposition transcripts.

RealClearInvestigations is disclosing the name because of the public’s interest in learning details of an effort to remove a sitting president from office. Further, the official's status as a “whistleblower” is complicated by his being a hearsay reporter of accusations against the president, one who has “some indicia of an arguable political bias … in favor of a rival political candidate" -- as the Intelligence Community Inspector General phrased it circumspectly in originally fielding his complaint.

Federal documents reveal that the 33-year-old Ciaramella, a registered Democrat held over from the Obama White House, previously worked with former Vice President Joe Biden and former CIA Director John Brennan, a vocal critic of Trump who helped initiate the Russia “collusion” investigation of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.

Further, Ciaramella (pronounced char-a-MEL-ah) left his National Security Council posting in the White House’s West Wing in mid-2017 amid concerns about negative leaks to the media. He has since returned to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

“He was accused of working against Trump and leaking against Trump,” said a former NSC official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

Also, Ciaramella huddled for “guidance” with the staff of House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, including former colleagues also held over from the Obama era whom Schiff’s office had recently recruited from the NSC. Schiff is the lead prosecutor in the impeachment inquiry.

And Ciaramella worked with a Democratic National Committee operative who dug up dirt on the Trump campaign during the 2016 election, inviting her into the White House for meetings, former White House colleagues said. The operative, Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian-American who supported Hillary Clinton, led an effort to link the Republican campaign to the Russian government. “He knows her. He had her in the White House,” said one former co-worker, who requested anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter.

Documents confirm the DNC opposition researcher attended at least one White House meeting with Ciaramella in November 2015. She visited the White House with a number of Ukrainian officials lobbying the Obama administration for aid for Ukraine.

With Ciaramella’s name long under wraps, interest in the intelligence analyst is so high that a handful of former colleagues have compiled a roughly 40-page research dossier on him. A classified version of the document is circulating on Capitol Hill, and briefings have been conducted based on it. One briefed Republican has been planning to unmask the whistleblower in a speech on the House floor.

On the Internet, meanwhile, Ciaramella's name for weeks has been bandied about on Twitter feeds and intelligence blogs as the suspected person who blew the whistle on the president. The mainstream media are also aware of his name.

“Everyone knows who he is. CNN knows. The Washington Post knows. The New York Times knows. Congress knows. The White House knows. Even the president knows who he is,” said Fred Fleitz, a former CIA analyst and national security adviser to Trump, who has fielded dozens of calls from the media.

Yet a rare hush has swept across the Potomac. The usually gossipy nation’s capital remains uncharacteristically — and curiously — mum, especially considering the magnitude of this story, only the fourth presidential impeachment inquiry in U.S. history.

Trump supporters blame the conspiracy of silence on a “corrupt” and "biased” media trying to protect the whistleblower from justified scrutiny of his political motives. They also complain Democrats have falsely claimed that exposing his identity would violate whistleblower protections, even though the relevant statute provides limited, not blanket, anonymity – and doesn’t cover press disclosures. His Democrat attorneys, meanwhile, have warned that outing him would put him and his family “at risk of harm," although government security personnel have been assigned to protect him.

“They’re hiding him,” Fleitz asserted. “They’re hiding him because of his political bias."

A CIA officer specializing in Russia and Ukraine, Ciaramella was detailed over to the National Security Council from the agency in the summer of 2015, working under Susan Rice, President Obama’s national security adviser. He also worked closely with the former vice president.

Federal records show that Biden’s office invited Ciaramella to an October 2016 state luncheon the vice president hosted for Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi. Other invited guests included Brennan, as well as then-FBI Director James Comey and then-National Intelligence Director James Clapper.

Several U.S. officials told RealClearInvestigations that the invitation that was extended to Ciaramella, a relatively low-level GS-13 federal employee, was unusual and signaled he was politically connected inside the Obama White House.

Former White House officials said Ciaramella worked on Ukrainian policy issues for Biden in 2015 and 2016, when the vice president was President Obama's "point man" for Ukraine. A Yale graduate, Ciaramella is said to speak Russian and Ukrainian, as well as Arabic. He had been assigned to the NSC by Brennan.

He was held over into the Trump administration, and headed the Ukraine desk at the NSC, eventually transitioning into the West Wing, until June 2017.

“He was moved over to the front office” to temporarily fill a vacancy, said a former White House official, where he “saw everything, read everything.”

The official added that it soon became clear among NSC staff that Ciaramella opposed the new Republican president’s foreign policies. “My recollection of Eric is that he was very smart and very passionate, particularly about Ukraine and Russia. That was his thing – Ukraine,” he said. “He didn’t exactly hide his passion with respect to what he thought was the right thing to do with Ukraine and Russia, and his views were at odds with the president’s policies.”

“So I wouldn’t be surprised if he was the whistleblower,” the official said.

In May 2017, Ciaramella went “outside his chain of command,” according to a former NSC co-worker, to send an email alerting another agency that Trump happened to hold a meeting with Russian diplomats in the Oval Office the day after firing Comey, who led the Trump-Russia investigation. The email also noted that Russian President Vladimir Putin had phoned the president a week earlier.

Contents of the email appear to have ended up in the media, which reported Trump boasted to the Russian officials about firing Comey, whom he allegedly called “crazy, a real nut job.”

In effect, Ciaramella helped generate the “Putin fired Comey” narrative, according to the research dossier making the rounds in Congress, a copy of which was obtained by RealClearInvestigations.

Ciaramella allegedly argued that “President Putin suggested that President Trump fire Comey,” the report said. “In the days after Comey’s firing, this presidential action was used to further political and media calls for the standup [sic] of the special counsel to investigate ‘Russia collusion.’ “

In the end, Special Counsel Robert Mueller found no conspiracy between Trump and Putin. Ciaramella’s email was cited in a footnote in his report, which mentions only Ciaramella’s name, the date and the recipients “Kelly et al.” Former colleagues said the main recipient was then-Homeland Security Director John Kelly.

Ciaramella left the Trump White House soon after Mueller was appointed. Attempts to reach Ciaramella were unsuccessful, although his father said in a phone interview from Hartford, where he is a bank executive, that he doubted his son was the whistleblower. “He didn’t have that kind of access to that kind of information,” Tony Ciaramella said. “He’s just a guy going to work every day.” The whistleblower's lawyers did not answer emails and phone calls seeking comment. CIA spokesman Luis Rossello declined comment, saying, “Anything on the whistleblower, we are referring to ODNI.” The Office of the Director of National Intelligence did not respond to requests for comment.

In his complaint, the whistleblower charged that the president used “the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.” Specifically, he cited a controversial July 25 phone call from the White House residence in which Trump asked Ukraine’s new president to help investigate the origins of the Russia “collusion” investigation the Obama administration initiated against his campaign, citing reports that “a lot of it started with Ukraine," where the former pro-Hillary Clinton regime in Kiev worked with Obama diplomats and Chalupa to try to “sabotage” Trump’s run for president.

Later in the conversation, Trump also requested information about Biden and his son, since “Biden went around bragging that he” had fired the chief Ukrainian prosecutor at the time a Ukrainian oligarch, who gave Biden’s son a lucrative seat on the board of his energy conglomerate, was under investigation for corruption.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Intelligence Committee Chairman Schiff argued the whistleblower's complaint, though admittedly based on second-hand information, amounts to an impeachable offense, and they subsequently launched an impeachment inquiry that has largely been conducted in secret.

The whistleblower filed his “urgent” report against Trump with the intelligence community inspector general on Aug. 12, but it was not publicly released until Sept. 26.

Prior to filing, he had met with Schiff’s Democratic staff for “guidance." At first, the California lawmaker denied the contacts, but later admitted that his office did, in fact, meet with the whistleblower early on.

Earlier this year, Schiff recruited two of Ciaramella’s closest allies at the NSC — both whom were also Obama holdovers -- to join his committee staff. He hired one, Sean Misko, in August — the same month the whistleblower complaint was filed.

During closed-door depositions taken in the impeachment inquiry, Misko has been observed handing notes to the lead counsel for the impeachment inquiry, Daniel Goldman, as he asks questions of Trump administration witnesses, officials with direct knowledge of the proceedings told RealClearInvestigations.

Republicans participating in the restricted inquiry hearings have been asking witnesses about Ciaramella and repeatedly injecting his name into the deposition record, angering Schiff and Democrats, who sources say are planning to scrub the references to Ciaramella from any transcripts of the hearings they may agree to release.

“Their reaction tells you something,” said one official familiar with the inquiry.

For example, sources said Ciaramella’s name was invoked by GOP committee members during the closed-door testimony of former NSC official Fiona Hill on Oct. 14. Ciaramella worked with Hill, another Obama holdover, in the West Wing.


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https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/10/30/whistleblower_exposed_close_to_biden_brennan_dnc_oppo_researcher_120996.html

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Would it really matter if the WBer were a staunch repub who did or didn't vote for trump?

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elvis

Handled the same way, he still wouldn't be a "Whistle Blower" in the sense that the Whistle Blower Act defines.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Handled the same way, he still wouldn't be a "Whistle Blower" in the sense that the Whistle Blower Act defines.

The ICIG thinks Ciaramella is a legitimate whistleblower.

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patriciae_gw(07)

EEk, I just wrote a snarky rebuttle to Elvis . this mess is catching.

Elvis you are wrong. Go to the government website and read up on the rules

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BetsyJ

Lawyer for Ukraine whistleblower sends White House cease and desist letter to stop Trump's attacks

A lawyer for the Ukraine whistleblower, whose complaint document triggered the House impeachment inquiry of President Donald Trump, has sent a letter to the White House warning the President to "cease and desist" attacking his client.

"I am writing out of deep concern that your client, the President of the United States, is engaging in rhetoric and activity that places my client, the Intelligence Community Whistleblower, and their family in physical danger," Andrew Bakaj wrote to White House counsel Pat Cipollone in a Wednesday letter obtained by CNN's Anderson Cooper.

"I am writing to respectfully request that you counsel your client on the legal and ethical peril in which he is placing himself should anyone be physically harmed as a result of his, or his surrogates', behavior," he said.

Trump has repeatedly attacked the whistleblower and tried to discredit the individual, saying he, Trump, deserves to "meet his accuser" and has demanded the whistleblower's identity be revealed. The President has also accused the whistleblower of partisanship though Trump said he had no personal knowledge of the person's identity.

In his letter, Bakaj cites Trump's recent comments to reporters that they'd "be doing the public a service" if they reported the name of the whistleblower as well as his comments in September that whoever provided the whistleblower with information about his call with the Ukrainian President is "close to a spy," adding that in the old days spies were dealt with differently.

"These are not words of an individual with a firm grasp of the significance of the office which he occupies, nor a fundamental understanding of the significance of each word he articulates by virtue of occupying that office," Bakaj wrote.

The letter to Cipollone also states that "should anyone be physically harmed, my co-counsel, Mark Zaid, and I will not hesitate to take any and all appropriate action against your client. Those who are complicit in this vindictive campaign against my client, whether through action or inaction, shall also be responsible, be that legally or morally."

Earlier Thursday, the whistleblower's legal team accused House Republicans of implementing a "deflective partisan strategy" after Rep. Jim Jordan, an Ohio Republican, announced his party plans to request to bring in the anonymous individual to testify publicly -- an option that has long been a nonstarter.

Accusations of partisanship have only been fueled by the Republicans submitting a request they know will almost certainly be denied by Democrats under House rules, while not yet responding to an offer from the whistleblower's legal team that would allow them to submit written questions to the individual, an option the legal team views as a compromise.

Zaid and House Democrats have argued that the whistleblower's identity is irrelevant at this stage in the proceedings due to testimony from several witnesses corroborating and expanding on allegations contained in the initial complaint.

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Joaniepoanie

paprikash

The conspirator (he is NOT a WB) sounds like another dem slimeball. He and Schiff, et al are NOT patriots; they are party over country scum.


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The WB is a patriot. Trump and the Republicans are NOT patriots; they are party over country scum.


How many indicted and in jail? How many more to come? (Rudy and pals). Enough evidence to impeach Trump on multiple counts. But it’s all a big conspiracy and Trump and R’s are all widdle victims. Get real!

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elvis

EEk, I just wrote a snarky rebuttle to Elvis . this mess is catching.

Elvis you are wrong. Go to the government website and read up on the rules

I have. Not a Whistle Blower. And, even if he qualified, there's no guarantee of anonymity.

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BetsyJ

there's no guarantee of anonymity.

There is only one provision in the ICWPA (Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act of 1998) that deals specifically with whistleblower anonymity, said Kel McClanahan, a national security lawyer in Washington.

That provision says the inspector general should not disclose the whistleblower’s identity without their consent, unless the watchdog determines that “such disclosure is unavoidable during the course of the investigation.”

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Delilah66

“ The official added that it soon became clear among NSC staff that Ciaramella opposed the new Republican president’s foreign policies.“

You mean the foreign policies that support his graft?

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Wants to Grow

Hi BetsyJ, The ICWPA applies to members of of the Intelligence Community, not to members of the National Security Council, where Ciaramella was posted.

He is not a qualified WB. Ciaramella is a political operative who may have violated classification protocols with his hearsay report.

This sham is falling apart at the seams.

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catkinZ8a

It's a partisan hoax!

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chase_gw

"This sham is falling apart at the seams"

Only in Trumpland .........

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Annie Deighnaugh

Amazing. Yet again the rw has no defense, no contradictory evidence to all the charges being brought, so attack the messenger and somehow that undoes the crime. Only in trumpland.

For the rest of us, regardless of the original source, when the evidence *including the evidence provided by the WH itself* demonstrates what's being charged, when all the witnesses involved provide and support the facts in evidence, even to the point where one witness lied to congress about it in order to support the president and then recanted lest he be charged with perjury, then the case is built and solidly.

When the cops charge you with murder, the innocent say, "I did not!"; the guilty say, "who told you that!"

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jama7(6)

The innocent claim they "did not!" and then allow everything and anything to be investigated as they know it will prove them innocent. In fact, they probably throw it at the accusers! It's kinda what one does when they have nothing to hide because it ends the process and the pain quickly and let's them get back to their lives.

Why does Trump keep dragging this out by preventing his staff from testifying and clearing him?

I for one just cannot figure him out!

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Would it really matter if the WBer were a staunch repub who did or didn't vote for trump?

Hint - the WBer could be donald junior and it wouldn't make any difference to trumpsters.

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Kitchenwitch111

The WB told of a disturbing phone call filled with corruption, extortion and bribery from the White House and Rudy doing his own thing running around State Department employees and ambassadors to shake down a foreign country for Trump's personal gain. Many credible people have come forward telling the same story. But outing the WB's name is what is most important to the Trumpers.

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Carro


Kitchenwitch111

The WB told of a disturbing phone call filled with corruption, extortion and bribery from the White House and Rudy doing his own thing running around State Department employees and ambassadors to shake down a foreign country for Trump's personal gain.

Of which he had ZERO direct knowledge.

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Carro

The WB was simply a ploy. He was fed information to get an investigation started to impeach and remove Trump.

It's all falling apart, and we knew it would.


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Kitchenwitch111

Many credible people have come forward telling the same story. But outing the WB's name is what is most important to the Trumpers.

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queenmargo

Yeah Yeah Yeah kitchenwitch- many so called 'credible people" came forward telling the same story in the FBI and DOJ.... lol... they were ALL in cahoots!

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queenmargo

Anyone have the song in their head... I heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend, who heard it from...

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graywings123(7)

^^^ Exactly. They are desperate to keep the Trump base angry.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Of which he had ZERO direct knowledge.

All that means is the WB didn't provide the best evidence, but since then there has been testimony, under oath, by people who have direct knowledge and there are emails and texts that back up their testimony...it all corroborates what the WB said.

So why are the trumplicants so interested in who the WB is? The WB is completely irrelevant at this point.

Instead of attacking the messenger, trumplicants ought to be looking for solid defenses from trump&co, of which there is none, *or* they should be questioning exactly who they are supporting here and how many mulligans will they give him, how many illegal activities are they willing to ignore, and when does the damage he's doing to our national security and our democratic processes outweigh a low unemployment rate and a wall people can cut through with a saw from Lowes.

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Kathy

The truth doesn’t matter to Trumpers, only the fact he got caught.

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elvis

no defense, no contradictory evidence to all the charges being brought, so attack the messenger and somehow that undoes the crime.

Works for the prog leftists every time.

But to be fair, that's a common tactic for anyone being accused of just about anything. Shrug.

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Ann

I think it's falling apart at the seams also. I'm curious to watch Pelosi's upcoming steps.

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Kitchenwitch111

So everyone else in the entire world
is wrong and in cahoots but Donald Trump, the bankrupted businessman, former
reality game show host, charity cheater and immoral leader of the Evangelicals is
the only one telling the truth!

Trump's followers are the only people seeing it this way.

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adoptedbyhounds

The IG can’t release a WBs name without permission.

Can’t wait for him to be questioned in public.

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jama7(6)


Ann

I think it's falling apart at the seams also. I'm curious to watch Pelosi's upcoming steps.

I'm curious as to what you think is "falling apart" because the evidence against Trump continues to mount.

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Ann

Evidence of exactly what, jama?

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Annie Deighnaugh

But to be fair, that's a common tactic for anyone being accused of just about anything. Shrug.


If everybody does it, that makes it ok, huh?

My parent's wouldn't let me get away with that argument when I was 10.

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Iris GW

If someone harms this person or his family because his name was released, is that ok with Trump supporters? Because that is what the concern is with releasing his name.

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Iris GW

Or how about hurting someone who is not even him?

Right-wing social media accounts have been widely sharing two photographs that they claim show the whistleblower at the center of the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump and prove that the whistleblower is biased against Trump and hopelessly untrustworthy.

In fact, the pictures show nothing of the sort.

But that hasn't stopped the images from being shared thousands of times and amplified virally across the conservative media ecosystem.

The photographs involving Edelman have spread widely among conservative social media users. They were shared by Jerome Corsi, the birther conspiracy theorist; Ashley StClair, an online influencer who represented a youth conservative group — until she was pictured last month meeting with white nationalists — and Dean Cain, the actor who played Superman on a 1990s television series.

Cain, Edelman said, was among those who was most effective at driving the misinformation into public view. By retweeting StClair, Cain shared the images to his more than 370,000 Twitter followers.

The tweet by StClair, to more than 160,000 followers, has been retweeted nearly 16,000 times and liked more than 23,000 times.

On Friday afternoon, Cain apologized for spreading the misinformation and deleted his tweet.

Edelman said he has received messages from angry internet users warning him to watch his back and telling him that he is as good as done for.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/08/tech/whistleblower-photo-fake/index.html

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cait1

FB is scrubbing his name. ROFL

The co-conspirator's name is Eric CIAremella.

Even his name outs who he is. No wonder Schifty is schaking. ROFL

BTW, whistleblowers provide evidence of a crime, not repeat scripted narratives.

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chipotle

Ivanka disagrees.




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barncatz

Evidence of exactly what, jama?

Well, as Bill Maher just said, "witness after witness after witness - It's like a game of Clue where every witness says "It was the fat guy in the Oval Office" with a phone.

But Michael Gerson answers your question best:

In this case, it was not Trump who wanted to “help Ukraine.” Military assistance was actively supported by Congress. But it was withheld by the administration for months and released only after the White House learned about the whistleblower complaint, which it knew would become public. For the purpose of impeachment, the completion of a quid pro quo is not what matters; it is the president’s request and intent. (The “smoking gun” tape ensuring Richard Nixon’s impeachment revealed his order to the CIA to interfere with an FBI investigation, which the CIA did not implement.) And if Trump was conducting the “good” kind of quid pro quo, why did the White House go to extraordinary lengths to cover it up?

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First, as your average third-grader could tell you, but your average GOP senator could not, this was cheating. And cheating is wrong.


Second, this was cheating in a presidential election. Americans need to let that sink in: Trump was not stiffing another contractor or underpaying on his taxes. He was trying to manipulate a freakin’ presidential race, as if it were the 1919 World Series. Trump’s actions were an assault on the assumption of electoral fairness that lends legitimacy to democracy.

Third, this was cheating in a presidential election using public money as leverage. Trump was effectively employing $400 million in taxpayer money as his own corruption slush fund.

Fourth, this was cheating in a presidential election using public money as leverage to subcontract actions that would have caused a political crisis at home. If Trump had ordered the Justice Department to open a corruption investigation of Biden and his son for clearly political reasons, it would have been seen, appropriately, as a Vladi­mir Putin-like attack on U.S. democracy. So Trump contrived to outsource his Putin-like attack on U.S. democracy.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/3db2fbd8-0199-11ea-8bab-0fc209e065a8_story.html

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Wants to Grow

Hi barncatz, the conflation of,

The “smoking gun” tape ensuring Richard Nixon’s impeachment revealed his order to the CIA to interfere with an FBI investigation

with President Trump conducting foreign policy, under perfectly legal standards, shows why this political sham is doomed.

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BetsyJ

Facebook and YouTube move to block spread of supposed whistleblower’s name

Twitter found itself isolated this week as other major social media platforms moved to block users from spreading the name of a CIA officer who conservatives contend filed the extraordinary whistleblower complaint against President Trump that triggered House impeachment hearings.

Facebook said it would block references to the alleged whistleblower’s name and photo under its policy against “coordinating harm.” YouTube said Friday it was doing the same.

But Twitter said it would permit such references, including posts that name the person Trump supporters say is the whistleblower and photos claiming to depict him.

This split came after repeated warnings by the whistleblower’s lawyers that publicizing a name puts that person and the person’s family at risk. The lawyers sent a sharply worded cease-and-desist letter to the White House on Thursday that called on President Trump to stop seeking the publication of the whistleblower’s name, a tactic they described as a “reckless and dangerous” form of intimidation.

Of course Twitter will allow the name to be posted, they are making a ton of money from Trump

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queenmargo

Of course Twitter will allow the name to be posted, they are making a ton of money from Trump

Who knew that Trump would be that Magic Wand;)

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Iris GW

Just to help answer the question in the OP:

If someone harms this person or his family because his name was released, is that ok with Trump supporters? Because that is what the concern is with releasing his name.

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Ann

Iris, I don't want anyone from either party hurt. But, I think it very important to now get to the bottom of this story which started with the supposed WB. There is an impeachment process into the POTUS. THAT is serious! If this all began as a coordinated effort to, yet again, unseat a president, we need to know that void of all the "excuses" of why we can't talk to someone. We need to hear from the "WB", from Schiff, from Yovanovitch concerning the Dem staffer correspondence, and from all the others where pre-testimony conversations were arranged.

This whole situation is growing increasingly stinky and, once again, we need to get to the basis or the bottom of it.

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chipotle

Ann, you apparently haven't read any of the released testimony from the impeachment inquiry. Why is that? Why the apparent obsession with one person?

The only thing "stinky" about this are the conspiracy theories being bandied about by those afraid of what the truth is revealing.


Btw, if you truly are interested in getting to the bottom of it this site should provide ample reading material. https://www.justsecurity.org/67076/public-document-clearinghouse-ukraine-impeachment-inquiry/

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Annie Deighnaugh

Ann, stop going after the messenger and focus on the message...there are plenty of corroborating witnesses and evidence *including the WH's own call notes* that support the case.

trump was using congressionally authorized funds in violation of the law to pervert US foreign policy for personal benefit (and to benefit putin) in his reelection campaign by extorting a foreign government. That is *not* ok. Then to compound it, he is obstructing justice by trying to block people from responding to congressional subpoenas and hiding evidence of transcripts and notes of the phone call. That is *not* ok. Then he is lying about it saying there was no QPQ when the evidence is clear that there was. That is *not* ok.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

An analogy:

Somebody pulled a fire alarm in a building because the building was on fire, so let's all concentrate on who pulled the alarm and ignore the burning building, shall we?

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Annie Deighnaugh

trump is *not* an innocent victim here...he's the perp.

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paprikash

Benefiting Putin? Like when Obama gave him Crimea?

Asking a country to whom we are giving American dollars to to investigate their corruption doesn’t rise to high crimes and misdemeanors.


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queenmargo

An analogy:

Somebody pulled a fire alarm in a building because the building was on fire, so let's all concentrate on who pulled the alarm and ignore the burning building, shall we?


Somebody pulled a fire alarm in a building owned by you because the building was on fire. You would of course concentrate on the fire BUT tell me you would not want to know who pulled the alarm if you found it was arson and the person who pulled the alarm was a known arsonist?

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jama7(6)

How do you know the "person" is a known arsonist if you don't know who pulled the alarm??

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queenmargo

Someone leaked a name. Someone had "heard" it from a friend who heard it from a friend.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Is that the best rebuttal?

Concentrate on the fire first - duh.

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cattyles

I’m sure the right will have their chance to ruin the lives of the witnesses after trump is impeached by their honest testimony. Try to relax.

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queenmargo

Is that the best rebuttal?

Concentrate on the fire first - duh.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Asking a country to whom we are giving American dollars to to investigate their corruption doesn’t rise to high crimes and misdemeanors.

But trump wasn't asking them to investigate *their* corruption...he was corrupting them to gin up an investigation, manufacturing evidence or not, *into an American citizen*...Joe Biden who is also trump's political rival...and talk to my consigliere who will tell you what I want you to do: you must announce an investigation, on television, and you must mention Biden and Burisma. You don't do that, then forget about a meeting, forget about missiles, forget about funding.

Moreover, in the notes of the call, there was *no* other mention of US policy. None. It was not about ukraine corruption or anything else. It was about extorting ukraine into manufacturing dirt on biden.

That is not only a high crime and misdemeanor...it is extortion which is the flip side of bribery which is specifically mentioned in the Constitution.

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Annie Deighnaugh

To continue the fire analogy...the fire was investigated and it was found not to be arson, but then steps in the don who is extorting the building owner to *find* the arsonist, say it was Biden, say it publicly, or else you're not getting the money to rebuild.

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mrskjun(9)

You can argue about it until the cows come home. Trump is not going to be impeached. As nervous Nancy said, it must be bipartisan. Hoot! The do nothing dems can do nothing until next November, and guess what happens then. Voters get to decide. Just like they did in 2016. And those who have buyers remorse over 2018 can fix their votes.

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loonlakelaborcamp(3 A/B)

To continue the fire alarm analogy...WB pulls an alarm in a building you own. People are injured scrambling about during the evacuation. Business is disrupted, and your competitor attempts to profit from the chaos. There was no fire. Wouldn't you want to know who pulled the alarm to determine why they found it necessary to pull it? Did they work on behalf of the competitor?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

But, I think it very important to now get to the bottom of this story which started with the supposed WB. There is an impeachment process into the POTUS.

Congress is investigating the validity of the WB claims from those who have first-hand knowledge of the events in question -- this is the most important step in an impeachment inquiry.

If this all began as a coordinated effort to, yet again, unseat a president

If a president commits crimes while in office, he is answerable for he has done. The US Constitution provides a mean for removing a president who is unfit for office by reason of his actions. No person is above the law.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

There was no fire.

There was indeed a fire, witnessed by others who have given sworn testimony.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

FWIW, that wasn't continuing the analogy, it was changing it.

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loonlakelaborcamp(3 A/B)

No one has stated the President told them to do X for his personal political gain. They say they t h ink he wanted that. How convenient, but heresy. What if there was a concerted whisper campaign trying to distort the reasons?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

No one has stated the President told them to do X for his personal political gain.

But all the Ukrainian actions of Team Trump (and Trump) lead to the president's personal political gain -- and said president did not stop any of the actions.

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cattyles

Mrskjun, trump will be impeached. He won’t be convicted, though. And we’ll see what happens after the public testimony if it impacts the election and how.

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loonlakelaborcamp(3 A/B)

Carolb, your versions assume there is a fire. My version shows what may happen if there is a concerted, underhanded effort to bring down the building owner for the opposition's gain.

How dare he own the building? We wanted to own the building for our own purposes - but we didn't have enough equity to purchase it. The owner voting blocks (States) chose who would be able get the property via the legal rules (Electoral College.)

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jama7(6)

I think we need to start a separate thread: The Case of the Unknown Fire Alarm Puller

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Annie Deighnaugh

What if there was a concerted whisper campaign...

You have a long pull if you think you're going to sell that this guy, Sondland, who was so enamoured with trump that he donated $1 mil to his inauguration and got an ambassadorship as a result and did all he was told to by trump and giuliani, was really a democratic plant. That somehow he knew that even though he was ambassador to the EU, he was somehow going to be involved with Ukraine, knew in advance about this imbroglio or somehow created it, manipulating everyone involved, including the president, and purposely lied to congress about all of it, just to retract his testimony so he doesn't end up in jail -- all as a set up to get trump impeached.

Yeah right.

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elvis

barncatz

Evidence of exactly what, jama?

Well, as Bill Maher just said...

Oh, well. That's it, then.

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Izzy Mn(4)

A point brought up I think on CNN. Sondland is the EU ambassador. Ukraine is not part of the EU. Sondland is out of his lane anyway. But rules didn't apply to this situation so..I just thought I would bring this up since Sondland involved himself in it.

Trump got many people to do his bidding with Ukraine. There are probably very few, my guess would be one or two in the administration that Trump spoke to directly in exactly how to interfer with Ukraine. Then they passed on orders. Trump it seems bus usually one step away from directly ordering. It's a way to insulate himself. Ask Michael Cohen.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Kool-aid now comes in a new Whistleblower flavor......not too worry, if the WBer is exposed and does go public to testify about his/her complaint then the kool-aid will sour and a new & improved flavor will come out. It never fails, to fail.

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roxsol

I think we need to start a separate thread: The Case of the Unknown Fire Alarm Puller


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Ann

"And we’ll see what happens after the public testimony if it impacts the election and how."

Yup!

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Annie Deighnaugh

I think one of the important elements in this case is understanding that trump doesn't let *anyone* tell him *anything*. If they disagree, they risk being seen as disloyal and excoriated and/or ousted. Look at all sessions had to put up with....look at how trump trashed mulvaney for daring to cough during an interview. So the idea that the dems are somehow going to set trump up to do something is absolutely ridiculous.

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mrskjun(9)

You can argue about it until the cows come home. Trump is not going to be impeached. As nervous Nancy said, it must be bipartisan. Hoot! The do nothing dems can do nothing until next November, and guess what happens then. Voters get to decide. Just like they did in 2016. And those who have buyers remorse over 2018 can fix their votes.

________________________

Except--if they decide to further their massive impeachment hoax, the senators running will be knee deep in the related hearings--they're required to be present for them--and it'll be smack dab in the middle of the Iowa caucuses...




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lily316

Some people better hope no harm comes to the WB. We know what we're dealing with. One of the MAGA maniacs stabbed the baby trump. Poor snowflake.

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jama7(6)

mrskjun(9)

You can argue about it until the cows come home. Trump is not going to be impeached. As nervous Nancy said, it must be bipartisan. Hoot!

It appears you might not realize what impeachment is. Because it's far more likely he will be impeached by the house than not. It then goes to the senate.

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queenmargo

Should that happen, and I suspect it will, it will be considered a witch hunt, hoax, colluded, obstructed, FAKE impeachment by me and probably many others.

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mrskjun(9)

Ok jama. To be politically correct, Trump will not be removed from office.

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queenmargo

I got it mrskjun, I think they got it, but, they don't like to miss a chance to make a dig.

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Ann

"Some people better hope no harm comes to the WB. "

I hope no harm comes to him or anyone. I wish no harm would have come to Scalise, Rand Paul, and others.

I couldn't care less that harm came to the Trump balloon.

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