Sen. K. Harris Wants Kids To Stay In School Until 6 O'clock @ NIGHT

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Kamala Harris Wants To Keep Kids at School Until 6 Each Night

By Joe Setyon
Published November 6, 2019 at 2:58pm

California Sen. Kamala Harris has introduced legislation meant to keep many U.S. schools open until 6 p.m.


The thinking goes something like this: In most public schools around the country, the school day starts around 8 a.m. and ends at about 3 p.m.


According to Harris, this poses a problem for parents who work 9-to-5 jobs and can’t afford to pay for child care between the time their kids get off school and they get off work.


“My mother raised my sister and me while working demanding, long hours,” Harris said in a news release. “So, I know firsthand that, for many working parents, juggling between school schedules and work schedules is a common cause of stress and financial hardship.”
I was raised by a single mother—I know firsthand how stressful and costly it is to juggle work and school schedules. Justice for students and working families is on the ballot. My Family Friendly Schools Act will give parents more after-school opportunities for their children. pic.twitter.com/1BmAy3e99s
— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) November 6, 2019

The Family Friendly Schools Act, which Harris introduced in the Senate on Wednesday, would create a pilot program in 500 elementary schools — mainly those in low-income areas — across the country.

Each school would be given a five-year grant of up to $5 million with which they could implement policies that would essentially allow them to stay open three hours longer each day, until 6 p.m.

The money also would supposedly keep schools open more days out of the school year, “with no closures except for Federal holidays, weekends, and emergencies,” according to Harris’ news release.


Moreover, the goal would be for schools not to “close for parent-teacher conferences, professional development, or any other reason without offering full-day enrichment activities free of charge for students,” the news release added.


After the third year of the pilot program, the secretary of education would be required to report the results to Congress.


These so-called Family Friendly Schools, the news release said, would “not increase the amount of time teachers and staff have to work unless they choose to work additional hours, and are compensated fairly for the additional hours.”


The bill would not necessarily extend the academic school day itself.


“An elementary school at which Family Friendly School policies are established shall collaborate with community partners to develop high-quality, culturally relevant, linguistically accessible, developmentally appropriate academic, athletic, extracurricular, enrichment, or community-based learning opportunities, for students from at least 8 am to 6 pm (or different hours if determined appropriate due to the needs of the community) Monday through Friday during the school year,” the bill reads.


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As Harris’ Senate office told CNBC, specific scheduling decisions would be up to local school administrators, and the money could be used for extracurricular activities, not just extra class time.

Many commentators saw the proposal as an effort to transfer the responsibility of child care from parents to the government.
It won’t get much attention, but Kamala Harris’ plan to enact a TEN HOUR school day, 8 AM – 6 PM, is both disturbing and revealing. Democrats are trying to replace the family with the State. That’s why they keep extending the amount of time kids spend in school.
— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) November 6, 2019
Kids need to spent less time in school and adults need to spend less time at work. There’s an obvious solution to that gap that is the opposite of Kamala Harris’ big plan.
— David Sessions (@davidsess) November 6, 2019
My husband is Austrian, and he didn’t even eat lunch in high school. His day was done in the very early afternoon, so he’d just eat lunch at home. Kids do not need to be in school until 6 p.m.
(P.S. This isn’t the federal government’s job by the way)
— Ellen Carmichael (@ellencarmichael) November 6, 2019

Harris, a candidate for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, is currently stuck in fifth place, with 4.3 percent support nationwide, according to the RealClearPolitics polling average.


https://www.westernjournal.com/kamala-harris-wants-keep-kids-school-6-night/






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dublinbay z6 (KS)

I don't know any details about how that program would work, but it sounds like an interesting idea to explore--says this mother who mostly raised two kids by herself. I was lucky in that my job also got out at 3:00, but most single parents don't have that luxury.

I note that the program would be funded only for 3 years--then they would report back on the results. Presumably any needed changes could be made then.

Your solution is that parents should work less? You would tell your boss that you intend to work only 5 hours a day? What do you think your boss would say?

Most mothers work outside the home because they need to--they have to feed the kids and keep a roof over their heads. So what do you suggest--work less and then feed the kids less? How would that work for your kids' hungry stomachs?

Kate

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Chi

I think that's a great idea. My parents had to work when I was a kid and I would have to go home alone and wait for them to get home. I would have much preferred staying at school with different activities.

It sounds entirely optional. It's not a 10 hour academic school day.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie)doineedtoaddanamehere(8a)

I support thinking like this.

School buildings are funded by the taxpayer and heated/cooled 24/7/365 but only utilized for a fraction of that time. The grounds are maintained year-round even while not being used. They take up a tremendous amount of land in areas where real estate is at a premium.

I’ve been talking for at least five years about the need to leverage the asset we have in our public school buildings.

The buildings would not be sitting empty as energy hogs and jobs would be created through the increased need for staff. Bussing costs would go down. Parents would experience less stress with a built-in daycare system and children would be able to benefit from the consistency of being cared for in the same environment from age 4-5 (or younger if an ECE license was obtained) until they can care for themselves.

The academic day would not be extended. It just extends the usefulness of the building itself. We already own it, why not get every bit of use out of it that we can?

(I agree that it isn’t the purview of the federal government.)

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Ziemia(6a)

Schools around me for years have been providing after school care, which includes supervised unorganized outside play as well as homework help. And visits by informal ed organizations.

Because the parents have begged for it.

The best have sliding pay scales.

And some schools (one or two in each neighborhood of my city) have programming that runs until 8 or 9 pm.

And the Boys and Girls Club org coordinates with schools to run after school programs (it is an accepted dropoff location for scbool buses).

(My typos are fun, aren't they.)

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie)doineedtoaddanamehere(8a)

Incidentally catkin, why do you consider this idea a loser?

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Ziemia(6a)

I guess those against it might be anarcho- capitalists.

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Chi

Judging by the tweets that are included, I would say it's basic ignorance of what Harris is actually suggesting as well as good old shaming of working parents with the suggestion that parents work less hours and should be home to feed their kids lunch.

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adoptedbyhounds

Kid's Cafe already figured out that some kids need to be fed and cared for after school while their parents are at work. It's a non profit organization. If there's not one in your area, get busy and start one. If there is one in your area, volunteer and donate. It will be good for your community.

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foodonastump

We had an after school program as Zemia describes, run at the school by the YMCA. Single income was not an option so we appreciated the option for a while.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie)doineedtoaddanamehere(8a)

My tax dollars maintain our school buildings 100% of the year.

School is in session around 13% of the year when factored by total hours/year.

I like the idea of getting my money’s worth during more of the 87% of the year that school is NOT in session.

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Ziemia(6a)

Schools get a lot of federal dollars so the feds have a say.

States could decline the federal $$$

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catkinZ8a

Harris, a candidate for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, is currently stuck in fifth place, with 4.3 percent support nationwide, according to the RealClearPolitics polling average.

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foodonastump

What does that have to do when the fake news subject line?

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DawnInCal

I'm not sure I understand why there is a need for this program. California schools already offer after school programs under ASES (after school enrichment and safety program) which was established 2002 (as I recall). I know that all of the schools in my county and the surrounding counties participate. The programs run from the end of the school day until 6:00 and a snack as well as dinner is offered to the students.

I spent a few minutes trying to find out what the particpation rate in ASES is, but was unable to find that info. I'd need to know more about Harris' proposal before deciding how I feel about it. Based on what I know now about ASES, I'd say it's not necessary. Does her proposed program make school participation mandatory?

Edit to add: My bad, I was thinking this was a proposal for the state, rather than a federal program which she is proposing. Forgot for a moment that she's a member of Congress rather than the state legislature.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

An extended school day is common practice in many places. Hardly a 'hot topic'. Here's an example from the U.K. Not really that scary, is it?

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ubro(2a)

It does no harm to explore ways to make it easier for parents who cannot afford after school care, changing with the times is important. We are in a rural area and the school hours have changed every year, they are adjusted to accommodate the bus routes.

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Chi

I guess that's why the headline has to be exaggerated. Harris does not want to keep kids at school until 6 pm. She wants to offer kids and parents an option to fill the gap between when school gets out and when the typical workday ends.

It's funny because I've also heard the right criticize "latchkey kids" on HT, and here's a solution that they are also criticizing. Not everyone can afford to be one-income families.

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chisue

*Before* and After School care is already a reality inside many private and parochial schools.

I share the concern that parents are not 'present and parenting' enough, and that schools (teachers!) have long been doing the heavy lifting on this. However...what is the choice, given the *reality? What best serves the interest of our kids and our society?

During the recent Chicago Public School Teachers Union strike, a lot of parents were less worried that their kids were missing days of education than that the parents were losing Free Child Care.

Our DGS came home from school one day puzzled about a new class subject titled 'Empathy'. "Mom, why would we be spending school time explaining KINDNESS?" Yes, he'd learned that at home, but you need only look around you to see that many core values are NOT not being learned at home. It's not 'religion', it's ethics.

How do you want to spend your tax dollars on youth? To care for them or to incarcerate them?

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Chi

I think that's a very wealthy perspective, chisue. For many parents, it IS a big deal for school to not be in session. Taking off work or paying for a full day of childcare can be a lot of money when you're making minimum wage.

As for parents not being present enough....same thing. Life is expensive these days and a scary percentage of people are living paycheck to paycheck. Sometimes the choice has to come between quality time with your kids, and providing food, clothing and a home for your kids.

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catkinZ8a

Follow the UK? LOL!









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Carro

Look, the Socialist Democrats are going to get their free child care one way or another.

That's all this is.

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patriciae_gw(07)

I am with Miss Lindsey on this, we need to use our resources better. Parents work. How do parents manage the multitude of days when school is not in session. Around here they seem to have a lot of short days-technically a whole school day if they are there to a certain point-what do the kids do? All those evil socialist countries in Europe have before and after school programs that will look after the kids. They value children..We just say we do.

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Jenn TheCaLLisComingFromInsideTheHouse(5)

TBH, in some areas of this country, it's actually a safer place to have kids at SCHOOL as opposed to leaving them up to their own devices with a normal school day schedule. I also think that to properly absorb all the materials they are expected to learn each day, they need more time, possibly with a split schedule (M, T, Th for a block of three classes, W, F for two more.)

I spent my high school years doing academics from 8-2 and then 2:30-5/6 I was in my various dance classes (it was a performing arts magnet school that you had to apply and audition to get in). At first all that time was overwhelming but I got used to it and thrived.

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Chi

"Look, the Socialist Democrats are going to get their free child care one way or another."

I guess we could always encourage parents to stay home and live off of the government instead, right? Sounds like a better option than giving working parents some help!

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socks(10a)

Thread title is so misleading. You make it sound like the children's school day will be from 8-6 when it's really about a suggested after-school care program in lower income areas.

Many schools have similar programs, but they can be very, very expensive, unaffordable to many, not just low income.

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cyn427 (z. 7, N. VA)(zone 7, Northern VA)

My district is the largest in Virginia (over 187,000 students). Elementary schools offer a before school program starting at 7:00 am and afterschool program that goes until 6:00 pm. There are limited spaces and some who want to get in cannot. There is a free based on household income. There are also summer programs and vacation programs. It is funded through the county and not the school district.

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Jenn TheCaLLisComingFromInsideTheHouse(5)

That's what I liked about my performing arts magnet high school - at least back then, it was a public school, open to all, and for the performing arts part the only thing that mattered was talent not whether or not you lived within the district boundaries. And talent can be realized in various ways - the church choir, the art classes at school, the dance classes (whether at a private studio or the YMCA/B&GC) or community theater. Misty Copeland(?) didn't start taking ballet classes until she was something like...11-12 and her teacher saw a talent in her that was rare and deserved nurturing. Now look at her, she's a prima ballerina with the ABT!

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Carro

I guess we could always encourage parents to stay home and live off of the government instead, right? Sounds like a better option than giving working parents some help!

Oh! But Chi! The Democrats are going to give everyone a living wage! Why would they need 12 hours of childcare when they will be working one job and making a decent enough living to afford their needs??


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cyn427 (z. 7, N. VA)(zone 7, Northern VA)

My district is the largest in Virginia (over 187,000 students). Elementary schools offer a before school program starting at 7:00 am and afterschool program that goes until 6:00 pm. There are limited spaces and some who want to get in cannot. There is a free based on household income. There are also summer programs and vacation programs. It is funded through the county and not the school district.

Exactly. This is being done already and should be voted on the state and local levels, depending on the needs and desires of the community.

Harris is trying to make the Federal Gov't a babysitter.

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Chi

"Oh! But Chi! The Democrats are going to give everyone a living wage! Why would they need 12 hours of childcare when they will be working one job and making a decent enough living to afford their needs??"

Sounds good to me. Federal minimum wage being at $7.25 is absolutely absurd. I made $10 an hour as a teenager in the 90's.

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Carro

See, ya picked on which obviates the other!

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

When did "family friendly" become something to be criticized?

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Jenn TheCaLLisComingFromInsideTheHouse(5)

Hey, if they paid people a decent wage, they're creating jobs AT THE SAME TIME by creating a federalized government childcare program. What's the matter with that?

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Chi

"When did "family friendly" become something to be criticized?"

Cause the Dems suggested it.

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jama7(6)

This is a great idea. My DD was ADHD/learning disabled so I put her in a school at 5 yrs which had after school hours until 6; that was also part of the reason I enrolled her. I'm not sure what I would have done if I hadn't had that option. She also loved it...lots of neat activities.

Day care for an infant in MA averages $21K, not much less for older kids. How many women who aren't in highly paid positions can afford to work?? It's not worth it but they need the $$. All the billions of dollars this country throws at garbage...I don't think this will break us.

And the HORROR of a living wage!!! I made $7-$8 in the 70's. FIFTY YEARS AGO. CEO's now make make thousands $$ per HOUR plus stock options, bonuses. This country's economy/wage structure is bloody shameful. Compare the salaires of CEO's years ago with that of their employees. At least they were in the same universe. Now?? It's sick. The level of greed is off the charts. There's very little "we" left in this country.

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maifleur01

Wondering how many of the posters had children that did after school activities? From some of the posts it sounds like very few had children involved in sports, music, various clubs of all types. Our niece who lived with us did debate her last three years of HS. The district provided buses to take any child who had permission home after the after scheduled school activities ended. I am not certain what afternoon activities elementary students have but there are probably some.

In the district I am currently in adult education classes are held in many of the schools and some have areas that are rented out to organizations for events. Except for parts of the summer the buildings are seldom empty until after 10 each night.

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catkinZ8a

Jenn TheCaLLisComingFromInsideTheHouse(5)

Hey, if they paid people a decent wage, they're creating jobs AT THE SAME TIME by creating a federalized government childcare program. What's the matter with that?

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Um...MORE GOVERNMENT?

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catkinZ8a

Boomers ahoy!

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Ziemia(6a)

Better than anarchy in my view.

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maifleur01

Why Boomers since they are less likely to need this type of service?

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elvis

Just think about it. Parents would no longer have to feed their children at all: b-fast, lunch, and dinner at school. Why not just keep the kids overnight and let them go home on weekends? Well, unless that's inconvenient for the parents.

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Chi

The suggested solution is a 3 hour extension to help working parents. Something that's been done for many years in many parts of the country. Why the exaggeration and theatrics? No one is suggesting keeping kids all week.

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jama7(6)

I think repubs here are over reacting...just a BIT.


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maifleur01

elvis you are aware that for more than 20 years some states have had boarding schools for what to use and old term "best and brightest" in the state. My step daughter attended the school in North Carolina the second year it opened and she is 53.

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jama7(6)

Um...MORE GOVERNMENT?

It's not a question of more or less govt. It's a question of good or bad govt.

A govt that supports and backs the American people, NOT the 1% or wealthy corporations is what I want to see.

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elvis

No one is suggesting keeping kids all week.

Um, I just did.

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Jenn TheCaLLisComingFromInsideTheHouse(5)

My brother and SIL tend to feed their kids fast food a lot and make dinner at home less, they've been like this for their kids' entire lives though. We try to cook at home as much as possible and treat food from fast food chains or takeout (pizza usually) as a treat only done rarely. It's a matter of personal choice and I'm not going to judge them much as I don't want them to judge me.

My brother and SIL have been overwhelmingly supportive about the mister and I adopting and fostering kids, which has been a blessing and a surprise (well, surprising considering my brother isn't the mushy feelings type, and he reacted much better than the mister's siblings did - "Why would you want to take on other people's problems" is NOT a good reaction to someone telling you they plan to foster and adopt kids from the State/County where the need has been/is/will be greatest, just a tip for all!)...

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catkinZ8a

Government is US taxpayers!


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Joaniepoanie

The right proving yet again they don’t care about the children already here——just the unborn.


“Harris is trying to make the Federal Gov't a babysitter.”


Not OK for the the government to be a babysiiter, but OK for the government to decide for us about having children in the first place.





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catspat(aka)

People who oppose abortion should support making childcare more available.

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JodiK

Well, the alternate solution would be to actually pay workers what they're worth, so pay was right up there with the actual cost of living, so parents might be able to afford daycare.

I like the idea of schools remaining open longer, so we don't have to worry about our kids being home alone during the overlapped time while parents must work, just to make ends meet somewhere in the middle.

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JodiK

It's already been proven that better education, along with the availability of and access to birth control drastically lowers the need for termination, unwanted children, etc. Not to mention the spread of sexually transmitted disease.

Why this isn't standard practice in every school, I will never understand.

That aside, when parents do want children... it should not be such a struggle to raise them, and actually have time to devote to them.

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jama7(6)

That bedroom you posted? That's someone else's bedroom which you need to stay out of. WTH do people care about strangers lives?? That you have the right to interfere in our lives?

And about the MORE GOVT thing??? it's OK for your party apparently that it oversees our bodies. The hypocrisy never, ever disappoints.

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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie)doineedtoaddanamehere(8a)

If you’re waiting until you’re in the bedroom to decide you don’t want a baby, you’ve waited too long.

Sex Ed taught me that.

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Chi

I guess what they are saying is that women should not have sex unless they are ready and willing to have a baby? Good luck with that.

Maybe Congress should pass a law that men can only have sex when they are trying to make babies! That would really cut down on unwanted pregnancies. Think it would pass? They sure don't mind trying to legislate women's bodies.

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JodiK

I agree with Jama... and I have to wonder what the fascination is with what others do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, their own homes?

Perhaps there's a little jealousy... maybe because someone else is actually doing what they want, and not what others think they should or shouldn't be doing.

Between the blatant hypocrisy and the need to control the lives and actions of others... I don't know... what can one say?

Legislation or not, no one gets to tell me what I can or can't do with my body. I'll worry about me... you guys worry about your own selves. Or is that too much to ask?

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There aren't enough after school programs out there... so I think it's a great idea to keep schools open later, so kids have a place to be where they can interact with other kids, or get their homework done with a teacher at the ready to help if needed. Parents could effectively finish their work days without worrying about where their kids are, or what they're doing.


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margaritadina

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elvis

Why not just keep the kids
overnight and let them go home on weekends? Well, unless that's
inconvenient for the parents.

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There was such a thing in E Europe, only the kindergartens. Parents dropped off their crying kids Monday morning and picked them up on Friday night. Care was really good, but the outcome was terrible, the lost generation(s) that was pretty deattached from their parents.

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You know what is the best after school care? A granny. My granny picked me up after school (elementary only, indeed) with a cup of ice cream or a pastry, or a book/toy that she would buy in the way to school, we walked home and chatted about all kind of things, and then she fed me supper and then I took an hour nap before my music teacher came. Day naps are essential for kids under 8 to regain energy and mental brightness. At 4:30 PM I was ready to do my homework under her hawk-like watchful eye))))

We had an extended school hours. Positive - kids didn't roam the streets, did their homework and were fed (nothing like the home made food, of course, but at least something). Negative - kids were very tired when got off at 5 PM and were jealous of their more fortunate classmates who were picked up by mothers/grandparents, and felt unfortunate.

I am for Kamala's proposal. Family as it should be is not coming back. In E Europe women retired at 53 with full pension benefits and had a luxury to take care of their grandkids, in America women have to work way past this age just to keep their noses above water. Life is pretty harsh and it's not going to get any better. At least kids will be supervised, do their homework with teacher's help if they need it, and they will be fed. May be we will have fewer low lifers.



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elvis

Interesting take on the idea, Marg.


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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie)doineedtoaddanamehere(8a)

It sounds like you had/have a great granny margaritadina. I really enjoyed hearing about her.

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Rina

Nice to have had a granny. I didn't. And as my parents were separated for several years, my working mother raised me on her own for a while. At ages seven to eleven, I caught a bus home, but then had to walk for almost a mile, and at one stage come home to a house my mother was sharing with another single working mom. She had a slightly older son, muscular little thug who bullied the heck out of me, Heaven forfend that our government should have considered funding an option that would make at least the afternoons of bullying unnecessary.

Fortunately, the streets were a lot less dangerous in those days.

I think this is a really good idea, although it would of course have to be a carefully constructed and managed programme. An example of government for the people.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Late to this, but as someone who has worked in gov't before & after school programming, along with summer and holiday playcamps for over 25 years, I have to agree that it's a great idea.

Our city has been providing this type of childcare for generations now, as do many public schools here. Parents and kids alike often tell me the programming we provide is much better than the YMCA and other in-school programs. It's keeping kids out of trouble and safe while parents are @ work, along with providing lots of enriching experiences for kids who may not ever have any other opportunities outside of school.

Kids who've gone through our programs have gone on to be productive, honest citizens. I run into them often, and it's not too hard to compare them to other kids who are left to themselves in the surrounding neighborhoods, since many of those kids wind up being caught stealing and vandalizing - sometimes @ our city property.

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margaritadina

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elvis

Interesting take on the idea, Marg.

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elvis, all over the world a lot of families are multi generational and grandparents take care of their grand kids. It's actually normal and this is how it suppose to be - if this world was normal. But it's not. Another thing not normal is sending parents to the nursing home - the worst disgrace to a family in many countries. But it's off topic.


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miss lindsey (stillmissesSophie)doineedtoaddanamehere(8a)

It sounds like you had/have a great granny margaritadina. I really enjoyed hearing about her.

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She was my angel, my childhood wouldn't be remotely as great without her. Thank you for the kind words.


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Jenn TheCaLLisComingFromInsideTheHouse(5)

My dad's mom was a kindly woman but she lived in Washington state - first in a semi-independent living senior community and later in a small type of long-term care home - and we lived in SoCal. He had a brother that was 10 years older than him who also lived in Washington state up until his death a couple of years ago, but I still remember the sad phone calls my dad would get where his mom couldn't remember his brother and said "that man (his brother) has been stealing from me again Bill (my dad), can you help me?"...It was awful and my dad felt terrible about it, but what could he do? His brother had POA and the court had deemed him capable of handling all of their mother's finances/bills for her, fighting that without any proof that there was a reason to give someone else the responsibility wasn't going to help anyone. Their father had passed away when I was around 2 years old. For a while, we'd go up to Washington during the summers for a family vacation or she'd come down to visit us, but after a point her health had gotten bad and the visits couldn't continue at the same frequency anymore.

My mother's mom...She was not so kind and even though she lived within around a 90 minute drive from us at most and 30 minutes away at the least...my mom felt that it was in our (her kids') best interest to limit the interactions to the major holidays. I might not have understood as a young kid, but by the time I was 13 y/o, I 100% did and know my mom was doing the right thing to limit the amount of interaction. That woman was cruel, openly and with great deliberateness. She *delighted* in being cruel. I look back now and I remember most clearly watching my mother's heart breaking each and every time - she didn't have to say it, it was all over her face and in the drop of her shoulders like a child going into the fetal position. Her own mother was the person my dad knew my mom needed him to protect her from most.

Nobody has a perfect family, some lack living grandparents, and some just plain don't have the sort of grandparents that deserve to be allowed to spend as much as they want and completely unsupervised time around their grandchildren. No matter how much one wishes it were different.

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