Need advice! My first lawn.
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Comments (4)" That leaves fescue and your only grass possibility unless you want to take down the trees." that sounds simple. ill look into getting fescue seed. "Now is a bad time to plant new grass but a lot of people do it. Those are the people who complain in July that they have a full crabgrass lawn. That's what happens if you seed new grass in the spring. You get all the summer weeds. If you want to nurse this lawn through the summer, then late August is the best time to seed the fescue." okay. ill nurse this lawn through the summer and seed fescue in august. so nursing means trying to keep on top of the weeds (really, the lawn isnt that large, so i think this is doable) and watering whatever i have that is green deeply and infrequently. correct? ill plan on that. ill pull out those weeds in the strip as well and try to keep it bare over the summer till august. im not in any rush. i just want to do my best to try to have the yard looking better than what it looks like now....See MoreNeed some advice on what to do with my lawn (TifGrand vs. Palmetto)
Comments (8)There are some people who talked about getting TIF-Grand but I have not read about their successes. I'm not a fan of zoysia. I have a spot of it as an experiment. At first I thought it was great, but it did not compete well with bermuda. Disappointed, but at least it's not my main lawn. I was also disappointed that we let it go dormant one summer and it never greened up again that season. It greened up fine the next April, but that was a long time. And that's when the bermuda got in. I see that in the full zoysia lawns in my neighborhood. It is definitely not all it's cracked up to be. I have another suggestion for the lawn. If you are patient, do the power rake only on the grass in the shade. Then put down only enough St Aug for the shady area. Make sure that takes well and sit back. The St Aug will spread and spread to take over the bermuda. All you have to do is pamper the St Aug and don't pamper the bermuda. That means mow all the grass at your mower's highest setting, fertilize infrequently, and water deeply and infrequently. St Aug spreads when the temps are between 60 degrees and 80, so you'll have two windows of opportunity. It will spread in the spring and again in the fall. It should spread about 5 feet each time. I let that happen at my house in George West, TX and now have an additional 3,000 square feet of lawn (acre lot started mostly in weeds). SuperSod mentioned compaction. Unless you've been parking the car on the lawn, playing football in the rain, or grazing livestock in the rain, then your soil is not compacted. It is very likely hard, but hard and compacted are different things. Compacted comes from driving all the air out of soggy soil. That's how adobe bricks are made. Hard soil comes from reduced population of beneficial microbes - chiefly fungi. You can get those back very easily. Apply 3 ounces of any clear shampoo per 1,000 square feet with a hose end sprayer. Follow that up with at least 1/2 inch of water. Repeat every few weeks as necessary. I did mine in San Antonio twice in 2011 and it's still soft today (checked after the rain yesterday). You'll know it worked when your soil becomes very soft after deep watering and then becomes very firm again a day or two later. That's normal. Give that a try. In my opinion burying compost is way over rated. Shampoo, deep watering, and routine use of alfalfa pellets should be plenty enough to boost your organic matter....See MoreThinking of killing and regrowing my lawn, need advice.
Comments (4)Noobs generally are off by several months in timing their lawn projects. Most are off by 6 months, so you're way ahead of the game. You're just off by 2 months. There is a thing called frost seeding where you put the seed down after there is absolutely no chance of any of it germinating this season. Usually that is December of January. That seed will germinate early in the spring and give you a half a shot at having a lawn last longer than July. Most spring seeded lawns die out from the summer heat leaving behind crabgrass...and the weeds you already have. That's why darktower suggested waiting until August. You might be able to kill off your weeds with a spray using Weed-B-Gone Chickweed, Clover, and Oxalis killer. It's a stronger formula than the traditional WBG. If you have grass still in there the WBGCCO should leave it alone. Since you're a noob, here's the 1-2-3 of lawn care as I have put it together after many years reading many forums. Basics of Lawn Care After reading numerous books and magazines on lawn care, caring for lawns at seven houses in my life, and reading numerous forums where real people write in to discuss their successes and failures, I have decided to side with the real people and dispense with the book and magazine authors. I don't know what star their planet rotates around but it's not mine. With that in mind, here is the collected wisdom of the Internet savvy homeowners and lawn care professionals summarized in a few words. If you follow the advice here you will have conquered at least 50% of all lawn problems. Once you have these three elements mastered, then you can worry about weeds (if you have any), dog spots, and striping your lawn. But if you are not doing these three things, they will be the first three things suggested for you to correct. 1. Watering Water deeply and infrequently. Deeply means at least an inch in every zone, all at once. Infrequently means monthly during the cool months and no more than weekly during the hottest part of summer. Do not spread this out and water for 10 minutes every day. If your grass looks dry before the month/week is up, water longer next time. If that does not work, then you might have to water more than once per week during the summer's hottest period. Deep watering grows deep, drought resistant roots. Infrequent watering allows the top layer of soil to dry completely which kills off many shallow rooted weeds. You will have to learn to judge when to water your own lawn. If you live in El Paso your watering will be different than if you live in Vermont. Adjust your watering to your type of grass, temperature, humidity, wind, and soil type. It is worth noting that this technique is used successfully by professionals in Phoenix, so...just sayin.' The other factors make a difference. If you normally water 1 inch per week and you get 1/2 inch of rain, then adjust and water only 1/2 inch that week. 2. Mowing Every week mulch mow at the highest setting on your mower. Most grasses are the most dense when mowed tall. However, bermuda, centipede, and bent grasses will become the most dense when they are mowed at the lowest setting on your mower. In fact there are special mowers that can mow these grasses down to 1/16 inch. Dense grass shades out weeds, keeps the soil cooler, and uses less water than thin grass. Tall grass can feed the deep roots you developed in #1 above. Tall grass does not grow faster than short grass nor does it look shaggy sooner. Once all your grass is at the same height, tall grass just looks plush. 3. Fertilizing Fertilize regularly. I fertilize 5 times per year using organic fertilizer. Which fertilizer you use is much less important than numbers 1 and 2 above. Follow the directions on the bag and do not overdo it (unless you use organics in which case you may overdo it without fear of hurting anything). At this point you do not have to worry about weed and feed products - remember at this point you are just trying to grow grass, not perfect it. Besides once you are doing these three things correctly, your weed problems should go away without herbicide....See MoreIn desperate need of advice reviving my lawn
Comments (10)You're doing just about everything wrong, so yes, there is something else you can do. Your watering and fertilizing plan is guaranteed to generate thatch. You're doing both far too frequently. Watering: Deep and infrequent is the mantra for watering. This is for all turf grass all over the place. Deep means 1 inch (2.5 cm) all at one time. Put some cat food or tuna cans around the yard, and time how long it takes your sprinkler(s) to fill all the cans. Memorize that time. That will be the time you water from now on. My hose, sprinkler and water pressure takes 8 full hours to fill the cans. Your time will likely be less. I like gentle watering. As for watering frequency, that depends on the temperature. With temps in the 90s (32-37 C), deep water once per week. With temps in the 80s (26-32 C), deep water once every 2 weeks. With temps in the 70s (21-26 C), deep water once every 3 weeks. With temps below 70 (<21 C), deep water once a month. Note that you have to keep up with quickly changing temps in the spring and fall. This deep and infrequent schedule works in Phoenix and in Vermont, so it should work for you. The reason for deep and infrequent is to grow deeper, more drought resistant roots and to allow the soil to dry completely at the surface for several days before watering again. If it rains, reset your calendar to account for the rainfall. Fertilizing: Once at the end of May, once in early September, and once in November after the grass stops growing but before it turns brown. Mowing: Mulch mow at the mower's highest setting. Here's a motivational photo for you. All these lawns are KBG. The green lawn follows the guidelines explained above. The others water every day for just a few minutes. Thanks to morpheuspa for the picture....See MoreEccowing
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