'I am ashamed for the first time in my career'

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“This is insanity,” the concerned U.S. service member said. "I don’t know what they call atrocities, but they are happening.”


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Turkey's Syria invasion: Member of US Special Forces says, 'I am ashamed for the first time in my career'


https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-syria-invasion-special-forces-soldier-kurds


PENTAGON – A member of U.S. Special Forces serving alongside the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in Syria told Fox News on Wednesday they were witnessing Turkish atrocities on the frontlines.


“I am ashamed for the first time in my career,” said the distraught soldier, who has been involved in the training of indigenous forces on multiple continents. The hardened service member is among the 1,000 or so U.S. troops who remain in Syria.


“Turkey is not doing what it agreed to. It’s horrible,” the military source on the ground said. “We met every single security agreement. The Kurds met every single agreement [with the Turks]. There was no threat to the Turks -- none -- from this side of the border."


President Trump said the U.S. would pull its troops from northeast Syria on Sunday, a move considered a blow to the U.S.-backed Kurds by many analysts and political observers. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan later announced a military operation in the region that he said was to "neutralize terror threats" and establish a "safe zone."


At least seven civilians have been killed in strikes in northeastern Syria since the assault began on Wednesday, according to activists and a war monitor. Turkey later announced that its ground forces had invaded the region to fight the Kurds.


“This is insanity,” the concerned U.S. service member said. "I don’t know what they call atrocities, but they are happening.”



U.S. military officials told Fox News the president ordered the military not to get involved in the Turkish strikes, after the Kurds requested air support.


Kurdish forces in northeastern Syria are guarding thousands of captured Islamic State (ISIS) fighters, now without the help of the U.S. in the area.


TRUMP 'WENT OFF SCRIPT' DURING CALL WITH ERDOGAN, SENIOR MILITARY SOURCE REVEALS


The Special Forces member said the Kurds have not left their positions guarding detainees. In fact, “they prevented a prison break last night without us," the military source on the front line said. “They are not abandoning our side [yet]."


"The Turks are hitting outside the security mechanism," according to the source, who said the Kurds are "pleading for our support."


The American troops are doing “nothing," the source lamented. "Just sitting by and watching it unfold.”


Troops on the ground in Syria and their commanders were “surprised” by Trump's withdrawal decision Sunday night.


Of the president’s decision, the source said: “He doesn’t understand the problem. He doesn’t understand the repercussions of this. Erdogan is an Islamist, not a level-headed actor.”


TRUMP PULLS BACK TROOPS FROM NORTHERN SYRIA AHEAD OF TURKISH ASSAULT, PENTAGON OFFICIALS 'BLINDSIDED'


“The Kurds are as close to Western thinking in the Middle East as anyone,” said the longtime member of Special Forces. “It’s a shame. We are just watching. It’s horrible.”


“This is not helping the ISIS fight," the military source said.


Many of the ISIS prisoners "will be free in the coming days and weeks," he predicted.


Trump told reporters Wednesday afternoon that the captured terrorists were "really bad people who should go back to Europe."


"We said to various countries, we'd like you to take your people back. Nobody wants them, they're bad," Trump said, saying that "maybe the Kurds [...] if not them, Turkey" would deal with the ISIS fighters.


TRUMP CALLS TURKEY ASSAULT ON SYRIA A 'BAD IDEA' AS KURDS REPORT CIVILIAN DEATHS



"The Kurds are sticking by us," the Special Forces source stressed to Fox News. "No other partner I have ever dealt with would stand by us."


American troops were disappointed in the decisions being handed down by senior leaders, the source on the ground added.


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catkinZ8a

50 soldiers were moved. 50.

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catkinZ8a


THE HILL

Trump says 50 US troops removed from northern Syria

BY RACHEL FRAZIN - 10/09/19 08:10 AM EDT


President Trump said Wednesday that 50 U.S. soldiers had been removed ahead of an anticipated Turkish offensive in northern Syria."Fighting between various groups that has been going on for hundreds of years. USA should never have been in Middle East. Moved our 50 soldiers out," Trump tweeted."Turkey MUST take over captured ISIS fighters that Europe refused to have returned. The stupid endless wars, for us, are ending!" he added. Fighting between various groups that has been going on for hundreds of years. USA should never have been in Middle East. Moved our 50 soldiers out. Turkey MUST take over captured ISIS fighters that Europe refused to have returned. The stupid endless wars, for us, are ending! https://t.co/Fbcem9i55Z— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 9, 2019

“The United States has spent EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS fighting and policing in the Middle East. Thousands of our Great Soldiers have died or been badly wounded. Millions of people have died on the other side,” he said in a subsequent post.“GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY! We went to war under a false & now disproven premise, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. There were NONE! Now we are slowly & carefully bringing our great soldiers & military home. Our focus is on the BIG PICTURE! THE USA IS GREATER THAN EVER BEFORE!” he added.
The United States has spent EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS fighting and policing in the Middle East. Thousands of our Great Soldiers have died or been badly wounded. Millions of people have died on the other side. GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE.....— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 9, 2019

The White House announced late Sunday that Turkey would be "moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria" and that U.S. troops "will no longer be in the immediate area." Republican and Democratic lawmakers alike have criticized the decision, with many calling it a national security risk that could also harm U.S. allies in the region. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), for example, ramped up his criticism of the U.S. troop pullout, telling Axios late Tuesday that Trump is putting the nation and his presidency at risk."I think he's putting the nation at risk, and I think he's putting his presidency at risk," Graham, a key Trump ally, said. "And I hope he will adjust his policies like he did before. That would actually be a sign of real leadership."Graham added that the move is "worse than when Obama left Iraq, because you've got so much information as to what happens."The Hill has reached out to the Pentagon for comment.

Updated at 8:18 a.m.


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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

How many civilians have died as a result of the removal of those soldiers, whatever the number? How many villages have been bombed? How many refugees created.

It’s not about the number of troops moved, but to be honest I think that the amount of chaos and misery created is more justified if it involves a necessary and **major** US pullout as part of a larger plan.

To cause such disruption to move a mere 50 soldiers? That makes me suspect there is a plan that doesn’t involve the best interests of the US.

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Ziemia(6a)

This isn't about the number of troops relocated.

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Izzy Mn(4)

Trump says 50 troops removed. The remaining 950 have to sit back and watch the Kurds destroyed. Trump makes it sound like there is only 50 troops in Turkey, very deceiving.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-troops-begin-pulling-out-of-syria-leaving-kurds-without-support

From link:

There are about 1,000 U.S. troops in northern Syria, and a senior U.S. official said they will pull back from the area — and potentially depart the country entirely, should widespread fighting break out between Turkish and Kurdish forces.

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jama7(6)

He moved 50 from northern Syria to clear the way for the airstrikes. The remaining 950 are in the southern area. Trump does try to make it sound like a total of 50.

ISIS fugitives already on the run. Not sure how many yet.

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cyn427 (z. 7, N. VA)(zone 7, Northern VA)

100 people have already been killed according to the news.

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ubro(2a)

Kurds are "pleading for our support."

You read a line like this and your reply is:

50 soldiers were moved. 50.

He is going down in history as a traitorous leader who betrays allies, who is a thug, and who's word cannot be trusted.

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Current Resident(z4 WI)

Put bluntly, I really dont consider @realDonaldTrump to be a reliable news source. Is that all you got?

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lurker111

The Kurds have killed over 40,000 Turks. Probably with our weapons. Turkey is our ally. Pretend that Turkey is Canada or any other ally and give that some thought.

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ubro(2a)

The Kurds have killed over 40,000 Turks. Probably with our weapons. Turkey is our ally. Pretend that Turkey is Canada or any other ally and give that some thought.

Pretend that the Canadian soldiers fighting alongside the US in Afghanistan, similar to the Kurds, were abandoned in the middle of a campaign, and left to be slaughtered? Your argument is flawed, the USA fought with the Kurds and they were also the Kurd's ally, and then they turned tail, give that some thought.

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Ziemia(6a)

A gross oversimplification of events - gross

"The Kurds have killed over 40,000 Turks."

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Izzy Mn(4)

It all seem to be a messy situation not totally unlike Palestinians and Israel and what were nomadic cultures left without a area they once called home when strick borders were drawn. It seems no one has any kind of good resolution. Someone always gets the short end of the stick.

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ubro(2a)

I agree, I also think that had Trump done some research, or consulted his experts in the area he might have found a more humanitarian way to handle this. It may have taken more time, but time is needed in situations as complicated as this.

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lurker111

What would you have done? Question to all. Discussions started about a year ago and there was no more time. Turkey was securing their country in their eyes and there was no stopping them. Time is up. What would you have done?

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lisaam

I would have preferred a different decider. Someone who gets how to listen, think, and put American interests higher than Putin driven interests.

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lurker111

Two choices. Pull out our leave our troops there to get slaughtered and
start WW3. If Trump ordered an attack on a NATO ally for protecting
their border from terrorists, NATO would hang him. Literally.

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

lurker you are operating under the assumption that Turkey was going to attack no matter what?

Where do you get that info?

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

And now ISIS members being held by the Kurds are free - just great!

Staunch defenders of everything Trump do realize these are terrorists, right?

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chase_gw

The fact he ordered this without consulting the Pentagon for advice on timing etc is what is most troubling to many.

This is a perfect example of how Trump impacts the security of the world and does it without the benefit of good counsel or despite the advice of the professionals. His power, and the way he uses it, makes him a danger to the world.

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lurker111

Where do you get that info?

Not from CNN or MSNBC. We almost pulled out a few months ago. Just because the left is blind doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't know what is going on.

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chase_gw

Just read that the US is joining with Russia to veto a UN vote against Turkey. How nice to see two buddies protecting a third.

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jama7(6)

chase...Well, at least we're making it official now.

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Izzy Mn(4)

This is what Putin wanted and he got it from Trump the Puppet.

Is there any doubt now on who is orchestrating Trump's decisions.

Shouldn't this be obvious to all members of Congress. Or are some of them also beholden to Russian influence?

There is no other rational explanation.

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

lurker111

4 hours ago

Where do you get that info?

Not from CNN or MSNBC. We almost pulled out a few months ago. Just because the left is blind doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't know what is going on.

———

Nonsense.

I grew up with this. I sure as h*ll am not falling for it now.

If one is too ashamed to name his/her sources, don’t mention the information gleaned from them.

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cattyles

Thumbs up, Miss Lindsey.

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lurker111

If you grew up with it, then tell me what I'm missing. Why are we there? lol

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

I grew up with someone who displayed the attitude of “I know more than everyone else and if you people would just get your heads out of the sand you would know too” without any evidence presented or reasoning argued.

Just “you people are too dumb to know so just believe me when I tell you what is what.”

That’s not how intelligent adults interact.

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chisue

With the help of his creditors, the US elected a man owned by Russia, lock, stock and barrel. Until now, we believed that Americans received a good public education that taught them how to think for themselves and follow motivations more complicated than a Hallmark TV drama.

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