Trump defies Democrats with all-out political warfare on impeachment

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Trump defies Democrats with all-out political warfare on impeachment

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/09/politics/donald-trump-democrats-impeachment-nancy-pelosi/index.html

The American people will now be effectively asked whether a President who accepts few limits on his power can be held in check by a separate branch of government or whether he can avoid such an examination, a decision that will echo through history.

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Is that it then? Three separate but equal branches of government or ... a test of that premise? Nixon "stonewalled." He knew he was guilty. Why is Trump stonewalling? This isn't a coup. This is not caused by "resentment for the 2016 loss." Trump is a whiney baby who won't mind taking the country down with him as he exerts his sublime right to rule.

Where will America land? The position "leader of the free world" for the US is in question. Danger ahead.


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catkinZ8a

4 am talking points buzz word


stonewalling

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blfenton

trump believes that the absolute immunity of the presidency exists at his pleasure.

I suspect that Pelosi knew that this is what would happen.

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whynottryit

I wonder if Trump realizes that the king is the weakest piece on the chessboard and the queen is ready take him out.

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war garden

the queen can not even have inquiry vote because she may not have the votes.

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chase_gw

Too bad Trump supporters can't see past their blind devotion and emotional investment in Trump and look at what he is doing to their Constitution. He is literally destroying the concept that is the cornerstone of the Republic.

This has gone way past politics. I suspect this will backfire big time on Trump as more and more Americans come to see the destruction this man is causing.

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petalique

Was our last free and legitimate presidential election in 2012?

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Joaniepoanie

petalique....I believe it was. We know Russia helped Trump win.

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Iris GW

Trump keeps adding fuel to the fire under his feet.

And here's another one:


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lurker111

Google "liddle boys" and see what you're missing.

Edit: Sorry, "liddle kidz".

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Iris GW

Speaking as a former English teacher of America, it was the apostrophe more than the spelling.

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lurker111

Liddle kidz = Adam Schiff. Trump knew what he was saying.

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Iris GW

You mean that he knew the use of the apostrophe was wrong but did it anyway?

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

In the words of our fearless leader, we'll see...

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lurker111

I make typos all the time. Are you perfect?

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Iris GW

Did he correct it or just double down on saying he was right? Cause this tweet makes it look like he just doubled down.

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lurker111

Either way, the crats would complain.

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Iris GW

So he doesn't learn from his mistakes. He does seem to prove that a lot.

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how2girl

He cannot and will not ever admit any wrongdoing, be it spelling, grammar, looking at an eclipse without eye protection, befriending dictators, orchesting a foreign power to intervene in an election, nepotism, putting personal interests above national interests etc etc.

He’s been through the denial & is well into the anger stage. He won’t be capable of rationalising answers to the why me question. So it’ll be back to denial. Resignation to save face will be the better option.

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adoptedbyhounds

"This isn't a coup."

It's a failed coup. No one who participated could have imagined that President Trump would remain in office, let alone launch an investigation of the investigators, putting them in the spotlight for plotting against him. He is our duly elected president.

We are entitled to a peaceful transfer of power. No one asked the IC, corrupt politicians, or the MSM to agitate against our duly elected President. These corruptocrats made the choice to try to undo an election. They're still at it, because many of them are about to be exposed.

There will be consequences only because President Trump, a man of extraordinary strength, stood up to them.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

I see that "coup" is still being misused.....there is nothing sudden, violent, nor illegal about an impeachment.....unless of course someone wants to start a civil war over it.


coup

/ko͞o/

noun

  1. 1.

    a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

    "he was overthrown in an army coup"

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lurker111

there is nothing sudden, violent, nor illegal about an impeachment

It is illegal to file false documents with the federal government. :)

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

show me the money

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jerzeegirl(9b)

If anything, the "coup" is being conducted by Trump himself. He is overthrowing the government with the assistance of the republican party and until that is acknowledged our republic is in dire straits.

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Izzy Mn(4)

We are in a Constitutional Crisis.

No longer 3 equal branches,executive, legislative, and judicial.

It's them and us.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/three-branches-government-separation-powers-executive-legislative-judicial-214812

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lurker111

They're busted. It's just getting started.

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Kathy

The fact the Republicans didn’t vet Trump, didn’t check his health or taxes, allowed his nomination knowing he was paid by Putin and so were they. Then the Staunch republicans voted him in with the help of Putin does NOT make him a duly elected President. It makes him fraudulently elected President.

He needs to go and he needs to go now before our Democracy is in shambles. Now he is affecting the world, not just US.

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queenmargo

The fact the Republicans didn’t vet Trump, Kathy-

LOL Kathy- you mean the way the left is vetting Biden, Sanders, Warren, and the rest of the clown show candidates?

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margaux

Reports just in that Turkey is now bombing civilian areas in Northern Syria. What does your duly elected president do now? He does what the base wants. Why did you want that?

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Ziemia(6a)

It's strange, imo, how silent they all are about this impact on ISIS.

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margaux

Think of all the times they've had to be silent rather than criticize Trump. Each time represents an event or decision that they didn't agree with. This may be the biggest one yet. Maybe even bigger than Trump standing by MSB after he had Khasshogi murdered.

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Kathy

Trump doesn’t care what happens to the Kurds if he can keep his towers

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Kathy

It’s all funny Margo isn’t it. Just one big joke Trump is doing to the world?

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Ziemia(6a)

The way Trump is carrying on - it's more likely this is about dirty deals rather than Trump Tower deals.

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adoptedbyhounds

President Trump has a duty to “defy” politicians incapable of handling the rejection they earned and so richly deserve.

Dems could have run on America First. They could have run on securing our borders. They could have run on stopping illegal immigration. They didn’t have to call middle America deplorable, homophobic xenophobes. They didn’t have to create sanctuary cities for criminal illegal aliens. They didn’t have to demand free medical care for illegal aliens while citizens go without.

They chose to insult Americans, insult their intelligence, their values, and their religious beliefs. They chose to transform once beautiful cities into open sewers where they allow addicts and mentally ill people to pitch tents. They are doubling down on all that they stand for.

President Trump is sharing power, just not as the RINO pushover they want him to be.

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margaux

“I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major
building in Istanbul,” Trump told Breitbart radio during his campaign.
“It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers—two
towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two.”

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Kathy

Trump is pleasing Putin number one. He owns him.

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Izzy Mn(4)

Remember how giddy Trump was on 9-11 when the twin towers fell down in NYC. Now mine is the tallest in NYC he proclaimed with great pride.

He really doesn't care about anything but himself. It's still the same guy, just with more power to insult and mess bigger things up.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

People are saying that Trump is the worst president in recent history. Maybe he is, or maybe he's not, but this is what many, many people are saying. It's very sad, but we'll see.

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Iris GW

His words endure ....

Nice fairy tale, there, adoptedbyhounds. Nothing but fiction.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Here's another English teacher demanding that Trump's "liddle' " tweet be included in the articles of impeachment! Ha!


On a much more serious note, this Turkey business is sobering. I just heard on TV that Turkey is bombing Syria in order to create a peaceful corridor down one side of it. Don't countries ever hear the irony in their justifications?

Kate

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HU9999

We thought we had 3 equal branches of government. The problem is that premise is based on having a rational human being in the Oval Office. One with enough intelligence to understand and respect the premise of 3 equal branches of government.

We now know that we were being too complacent. We now have a completely irrational and spectaculary stupid President who does not agree with the premise.

This is a constitutional crisis. He must go, either by impeachment of election. And then we must somehow fix our system so this cannot happen again. I don't know how to fix it. I don't know how you keep an irrational and spectacularly stupid person from becoming President. Especially when a percentage of our population thinks a spectacularly stupid person is brilliant.

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catkinZ8a

IF Nervous Nancy brings it to a floor vote, Dems that were elected in the mid-terms in states that Trump won are in jeopardy--they'd be on record voting for impeachment of our POTUS.

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Iris GW

The information that they support it is already out there.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/trump-impeachment-congress-list.html

P.S. The vote is to proceed with the INQUIRY not the actual impeachment (they'd be on record voting for impeachment of our POTUS)

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ubro(2a)

IF Nervous Nancy brings it to a floor vote, Dems that were elected in the mid-terms in states that Trump won are in jeopardy--they'd be on record voting for impeachment of our POTUS.

As I responded before, the Republicans were asked by journalists- if the vote passed would they then comply with the investigation? They did not say they would, they dodged the question. So, one has to wonder why they want the vote at all if they are just going to ignore it anyway?

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HU9999

they'd be on record voting for impeachment of our POTUS.

It appears you don't understand what is happening now. The vote would not be for impeachment. Is that what Fox is telling you? I suggest you expand your news sources so you are informed.

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Izzy Mn(4)

Someone needs to stop going to far right wing websites and try to learn for themselves.

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whynottryit

President Trump has a duty to “defy” politicians incapable of handling the rejection they earned and so richly deserve.

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Can you show me where the Constitution says that?

Article II (Article 2 - Executive)

Section 1

1: The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows

[Omitted ¶¶ 2,3,&4 address election process.]

5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

6: In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office,9 the Same shall devolve on the VicePresident, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

7: The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

8: Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

Section 2

1: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

3: The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section 3

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section 4

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

ETA: http://constitutionus.com

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Eat Well

The Trump administration admitted that an impeachment vote is no guarantee that they would cooperate. Why would dems waste their time?

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Kathy

Trump is obstructing justice right now. He just wants more reason to stall.

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