Dear Nancy, with love, your friend, Donald J. Trump. SWAK!

Carro

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/white-house-impeachment-inquiry-letter-response


Click link to read the 8-page response.


White House Tells Pelosi: Your Fake Impeachment Subpoenas Have No Real Legal Authority


The White House sent an eight-page letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and other top House Democrats Tuesday saying the Trump administration will not cooperate with Democrats’ impeachment inquiry into the president related to Ukraine.

In the letter, authored by White House counsel Pat Cipollone, the Trump administration says Pelosi and other House Democrats are “seeking to overturn the results of the 2016 election.”

“You have denied the President the right to cross-examine witnesses, to call witnesses, to receive transcripts of testimony, to have access to evidence, to have counsel present, and many other basic rights guaranteed to all Americans,” Cipollone writes. “You have conducted your proceedings in secret. You have violated civil liberties and the separation of powers by threatening Executive Branch officials, claiming you will seek to punish those who exercise fundamental constitutional rights and prerogatives. All of this violates the Constitution, the rule of law, and every past precedent” (emphasis original).

“You have designed and implemented your inquiry in a manner that violates fundamental fairness and constitutionally mandated due process,” Cipollone wrote. “Your highly partisan and unconstitutional effort threatens grave and lasting damage to our democratic institutions, to our system of free elections, and to the American people.”

The letter comes as Democrats controlling the House of Representatives say they are pursuing an impeachment inquiry opened up by the speaker without bringing a measure forward for a vote. Cipollone did not call on the House to vote on impeachment.

Pelosi announced her endorsement of an impeachment inquiry last month based on an anonymous whistleblower complaint filed against the president for allegedly conspiring with the Ukrainian president to investigate corruption linked to potential Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden. The released transcript of the July phone call between Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, however, revealed no conspiracy, and several times contradicted the complaint based on secondhand knowledge.

Democrats are still pushing for the president’s impeachment as public opinion for the inquiry tilts in support of beginning the formal proceedings. A new report this weekend emerged of a second whistleblower complaint filed against Trump based on the same conversation with the Ukrainian president. It claims to have first-hand knowledge of the events detailed in the complaint, although the transcript of the phone call between the two world leaders has already been released.


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Carro

Issue the vote, Nancy, or expect legal action.

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ubro(2a)

The released transcript of the July phone call between Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, however, revealed no conspiracy, and several times contradicted the complaint based on secondhand knowledge.

Ah but conspiracy is not the charge anyway.

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Carro

Take the vote, Nancy.

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ubro(2a)

She is in the driver seat and not taking direction from the RW. The longer she waits the more Trump panics, attacks, and mis speaks.

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Carro

Did you even read that 8-page letter? Does that sound like panic to you?

Trump is going pedal to the metal.

Take the vote, Nancy. Or, see ya in court, Nancy.


And, she better decide before Durham finishes his investigation and releases his report.

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ubro(2a)

I listen to Trump on TV, so yep he is panicked.

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Carro

Oh, well then, since a Trump hater deemed Trump panicked, we should take your word for it.

Not.

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catkinZ8a

WH press Secretary Statement


The President has done nothing wrong, and the Democrats know it. For purely political reasons, the Democrats have decided their desire to overturn the outcome of the 2016 election allows them to conduct a so-called impeachment inquiry that ignores the fundamental rights guaranteed to every American. These partisan proceedings are an affront to the Constitution—as they are being held behind closed doors and deny the President the right to call witnesses, to cross-examine witnesses, to have access to evidence, and many other basic rights.

Today, on behalf of President Donald J. Trump, Pat Cipollone, Counsel to the President, sent a letter to Speaker Pelosi and Chairmen Engel, Schiff, and Cummings. The letter demonstrates that the Democrats’ inquiry lacks any legitimate constitutional foundation, any pretense of fairness, and even the most elementary due process protections. Democrats are pursuing purely partisan goals, including influencing the upcoming 2020 election. In the process, they are violating civil liberties and the separation of powers, threatening Executive Branch officials with punishment simply for exercising their constitutional rights and prerogatives. All of this violates the Constitution, the rule of law, and every past precedent. For these reasons, the Executive Branch cannot be expected to, and will not participate in, this exercise of partisan political theater.

President Trump and his entire Administration will, however, keep fighting for the American people, growing the economy, building prosperity, and protecting America’s interests at home and abroad.

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Carro

Thanks catkin. I agree with that release, except for one point; Democrats aren't doing this to overturn 2016. No, they're doing this to overturn 2020.

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Joaniepoanie

Donnie’s lawyers are a joke. The judge who ruled on his tax returns the other day basically said their arguments were laughable.

I’ll believe Laurence Tribe over them re impeachment:


Laurence Tribe, Harvard Constitutional Law professor and scholar, author of a book on impeachment (paraphrased)


“This is the first time a president will have been impeached for violating his oath in a way that threatens national security. The president deliberately withheld aid to an ally under a military attack by an adversary that had helped the president win an election and that now he is beholden to. This is the case the FF had in mind. A case whereby the president demonstrably, and even by his own confession, used the power of his office to serve his personal interest for reelection.

This is the example of a high crime. It’s a crime against the nation and an abuse of the president’s oath. A high crime is a betrayal of the United States. It’s clear what was meant by “will you do us a favor” and the House now needs to do its Constitutional duty, without regard to what the Senate may or may not do, if it cares about our Republic and saving our Constitution.”


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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

I expected that we would have a constitutional crisis during Trump's reign -- he forbids the House from carrying out its investigative responsibilities.

Trump needs to be reminded that he's not a monarch, but a president who much operate within the guidelines of the US Constitution. He is accountable; no man (or woman) is above the law.


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elvis

no man (or woman) is above the law.

Yep, and that goes for everyone.

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

What does the Constitution say?

Does the Republican Party care anymore?

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Eat Well

House Repubs are to blame because THEY changed the subpoena rules in 2015. The house Dems now have subpoena power thanks to the party of Trump and they don't need to vote.

Sad.

Karma.

Democratic lawmakers are harshly criticizing House Republicans for altering committee rules governing how chairmen can subpoena witnesses and documents.

In a letter shared with POLITICO, the Democrats slams the GOP conference for changing rules on a number of House committees to make it easier for Republicans to subpoena witnesses without consultation or approval from minority lawmakers - an effort that came as Republicans are preparing aggressive oversight efforts for President Barack Obama’s final two years in office.

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/democrats-criticize-house-gop-subpoena-rules-115068

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Kathy

Trump needs to heed the subpoenas. This is an investigation, not a trial. The trial would be in the Senate.

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Joaniepoanie

Laurence Tribe tonight on Lawrence O (paraphrasing the following):

calls the WH letter a political document not a legal one as it is legally vacuous and is merely an attempt to get the House to give up on getting more factual details and pursuing obstruction, which this is.

The House will now move forward with impeaching on several fronts—-obstruction and the shakedown scheme.

Trump cannot “call off” an impeachment inquiry or an impeachment because he doesn’t like it or with claims he cannot defend himself. He will get a chance to defend himself when the Senate has an impeachment trial. This is a lawless president who is in it for his own benefit and it will be interesting to see if R’s are willing to go down with the ship.

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elvis

Trump cannot “call off” an impeachment inquiry or an impeachment

Nor would he want to. Where'd you read that, jp?

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cattyles

He doesn’t have to cooperate with his impeachment.

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The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.


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catkinZ8a

Stop the hammering!!!! Lawrence O'Donnell

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cattyles

The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.

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elvis

Yes, and? You don't want to get to the bottom of the Ukraine situation?

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Joaniepoanie

elvis

Trump cannot “call off” an impeachment inquiry or an impeachment

Nor would he want to. Where'd you read that, jp?

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Seriously? He’d like nothing more than for it to go away and is already obstructing at every turn——which he’s too stupid to realize just adds to the charges.

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elvis

ROFL! Oh yes, that must be it!

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Joaniepoanie

Elvis, you stated that Trump doesn’t want to call off the impeachment, yet the WH has made it clear they are declaring war on impeachment, so what the heck are you ROFL over?

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lurker111

They've played their little game long enough. Trump said "bring it, don't sing it" and the left just chirped away. It's over for Pelosi. Spanked and thrown out with the trash.

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lurker111

Pelosi is powerless. She isn't the law. She's about to be impeached if she's lucky.

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mrskjun(9)

Not declaring war on impeachment. Bring it on. Fairly. It's not an inquiry if only one side is able to call witnesses and documents. It's a kangaroo court with lyin Shifty Schiff running the show. Have you even thought this through? Impeach the president and Pence will be president. And you will have 63 million ticked off voters, who will go to the polls en masse to vote for Micky Mouse rather than see a democrat in the White House.

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Joaniepoanie

Guess it was also a kangaroo court when House Republicans impeached Clinton.

Nancy is following proper procedure......Trump is not.

Dems aren’t scared of Trump voters. They are outnumbered and people are increasingly sick of Trump and will vote to get him out.

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Kitchenwitch111

Trump and his supporters apparently think that an impeachment inquiry of the President can’t happen without the President’s approval.

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Eat Well

Mrs, scroll up and read about how repubs changed the subpoena power rules in 2015 to suit their purposes when Obama was in office. How was it fair then but not fair now? You reap what you sow.

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lurker111

Pelosi is about run into the USA government. Splat!

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Joaniepoanie

Hoot.....Pelosi has outsmarted and outwitted Trump every step of the way. The Constitution allows her to bring an impeachment inquiry. It’s Trump who’s about to go splat in his court battles to fight it.

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lurker111

Pelosi is a joke and she's about to get busted. Criminally insane. The country is laughing at her.

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Eat Well

Next up, a post about Hillary. Or Obama.

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lurker111

What makes you think they are out of the woods?

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lurker111

Pay no attention to the noise. Let the schooling begin.

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Eat Well

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/powerup/2019/10/09/powerup-there-really-is-no-appealing-the-process-of-impeachment-says-ex-clinton-white-house-counsel/5d9d2f4e88e0fa747e6d51d7/

Trump and his fans have been demanding a vote. It's so unfair the way the dems are treating him! Let's do it the right way and vote!

But, in a background call with reporters as the letter was released, a senior administration official refused to specify what conditions are necessary for the White House to cooperate with congressional investigators.

  • “I don't want to speculate about what would happen in various hypothetical situations,” the senior administration official said. “If the House wants to engage and alter the current circumstances, then we'll have to evaluate that as it goes along.”
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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Have you even thought this through? Impeach the president and Pence will be president. And you will have 63 million ticked off voters, who will go to the polls en masse to vote for Micky Mouse rather than see a democrat in the White House.

Mrskjun, have you thought it through? If trump is impeached that will mean that 2/3 of the senate voted him out of office. That's a lot of repubs on board so would trumpsters back them for kicking their "hero" out of office? No, they'd be disgusted with the repubs. Plus, poor pence would have to make a tough decision to either pardon trump or not, either way pence will lose the election for obvious reasons which should not need explaining.

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margaux

63 million voters won't be enough to get Trump reelected. "Trump haters" didn't sit out in 2018 and we're not sitting out in 2020. We are not afraid of the Trump minority and you can't threaten us into dropping the inquiry.

Support for impeachment is growing. 46% of Independents now support it. As much as Hillary was hated, she lost the Independent vote by one little point. Trump NEEDS Independents. Independents went for the Dem candidates in 2018.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi took a big political risk through pursuing impeachment, and so far it’s paid off. A new Washington Post poll released Tuesday morning showed that a majority of Americans support the Democrats’ impeachment inquiry (58 percent) and only 38 percent of those polled believe House Democrats were wrong to pursue the inquiry. This poll goes to show that the Republicans are losing control over the narrative around the impeachment inquiry, especially as its momentum continues and new revelations about the president's behavior and that of the people around him continue to drop.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-impeachment-strategy-plays-his-base-he-needs-independents-ncna1063796

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margaux

“I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major
building in Istanbul,” Trump told Breitbart radio during his campaign.
“It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers—two
towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two.”

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mrskjun(9)

hmmm Trey Gowdy is now Trumps outside council regarding impeachment proceedings. This may be fun after all.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Yes fun indeed to watch the peckerhead go down in flames once again.

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Ziemia(6a)

Maybe Gowdy is better at defense than he was at offense.

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catkinZ8a

IF Nervous Nancy brings it to a floor vote, Dems that were elected in the mid-terms in states that Trump won are in jeopardy--they'd be on record voting for impeachment of our POTUS.

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Ziemia(6a)

So, guess they thought no one would notice the Op Ed they wrote and signed and read publicly

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ubro(2a)

IF Nervous Nancy brings it to a floor vote, Dems that were elected in the mid-terms in states that Trump won are in jeopardy--they'd be on record voting for impeachment of our POTUS.

The Trump sycophants were asked- if the vote was brought to the floor and passed, would they co-operate? quell surprise! they didn't answer, they dodged the question.

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margaux

That's about six House members. We stand to pick up a lot more than that in 2020.

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Eat Well

The Trump administration admitted that an impeachment vote is no guarantee that they would cooperate. Why would dems waste their time?

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