Devoniensis (grafted) from Palatine hardy to zone 5b? really?????
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Comments (11)Okay--another question for ya--have you considered miniatures, since you'd prefer something more mannerly? Many of them have fabulous bloom form that never collapses, especially if you're looking for that perfect, tight spiral. Most minis aren't that fragrant, but there are a few that are fabulous. I'm sitting outside right now, so I'll give you a rundown of some of mine that fit the bill: Voodoo - Tall & narrow grower. Lovely orange-juice colored blooms with yummy fragrance that are phototropic and change in sunlight to a screaming scarlet-orange. Pretty darn good disease resistance. Jean Kennealley, an apricot miniature. She has the bonus of fragrance, and gets pretty big for a mini. Spent blooms will flatten out & fade to nearly white, but I think she's spectacular. She's held a very high rating for a long time. Folklore is a hybrid tea with perfect spirals & yellow reverses to coral petals. Lovely scent, big shrub, good disease resistance. Grows taller than it does wide, at least for me. Gemini is a drop-dead gorgeous hybrid tea. New blooms open ivory with just a hit of a deep coral picotee, then it changes with sunlight to almost a completely coral flush. Mine like to pitch candelabras and I think that's due to the Grandiflora breeding line. Great scent. Flawless is a true, medium pink miniflora with a nice scent. It is very disease resistant for me & blooms like crazy, but it tends to have more decorative or frilly blooms than the classic high spirals. I love it nonetheless. I really want to recommend Secret, but I have to spray her to keep her happy. The scent and the blooms are worth it, though. It does not mind the heat and rain does not spot her blooms as badly as most of my other light-colored roses. How white is your white requirement? I grow Irresistible, another miniature. It has no scent, but oh MY!! The blooms retain their form for at least a week and a half, it grows spectacularly, it's very mannerly, and disease resistant. It is a bit cream-colored upon close inspection but looks white from a distance. Also in my white-ish category is World War II Memorial. It's technically a mauve, but from a few yards back it appears to be white. It has glorious scent, very good disease resistance, and I just cannot describe the way the blooms contrast with an almost forest-green set of foliage. The aroma is incredible. It does spot with rain, unfortunately, but it's one of the few whose spots aren't that unattractive. If we get rain while there are blooms present, it looks like a white rose with pink freckles. One of the hardiest I have is Garden Party, but I'd describe it as an ivory rose that likes to have pink petticoats every now and then. Very good disease resistance and AWESOME fragrance, but mine grows like Audrey from Little Shop of Horrors. I think I witnessed her eating a rabbit this morning. [Or maybe it was that Swamp Tea.] All of these are repeat blooming, and I'd say that Flawless, Folklore, and Irresistible are the quickest to repeat. Gemini is sluggish, but when she blooms, she chucks out about 30 at a time. I live where blackspot pressure is very high due to silly nighttime cooling and condensation. I spray for blackspot, but these are the best of my 60 roses that fit your bill. And since I am too lazy to edit my post [Swamp Tea again...dangit], I totally forgot Tahitian Sunset. I am in love with this rose and put her in a bad spot where I can't admire her while on the deck. It is a skyscraper of a hybrid tea with apricot to pink blooms that have a perfect spiral, and the scent is unusual. It has been described as anise, licorice, myrhh....but everyone at work loves to stick their nose in her when I bring her in. Very, very good disease resistance. These are some of my faves, and if you haven't been over to HMF to check out people's rose pics I would encourage you to do so. There is no better enabler for rose buying than this website and that one, combined....See MoreAny hardy climbers from Palatine?
Comments (15)All of the roses mentioned will suffer some winter dieback in your growing area and many will require severe pruning. New Dawn does well for me but still requires tip pruning. illinijt's problem with it is the graft died and it reverted to the root stock, not the rose's fault. Mine is a four year old own root. It's recycled four time this summer and has had some blooms on it all the time. I keep it cut back to a reasonable size by choice but it still requires some pruning each spring to remove a little dieback. E-mail me for info about Quadra. I have a number of rooted cuttings. Mine is five years old and has bloomed well for the last two. Before that it bloomed only in the spring followed by a few sporadic blooms throughout the summer. What's your problem with doing a little tip pruning. You'll have to move to a warmer growing zone to avoid doing any of it. I really like Dublin Bay but it dies back to a couple of feet. Quadra likes to bloom in large clusters. Dublin Bay will too but often blooms singley. To me the blooms stand out better than Quadra. All my climbers are listed as hardy, but hardy may mean it survives, not necessarily the entire bush stays viable. That's just a problem with climbers in cold winter zones like ours. I like Viking Queen, Clair Matin, Compassion, Berlin, Fourth of July, and Autumn Sunset but they'ed not qualify under your criteria of green to the tips. They all will have to be pruned back to about two feet depending on the severity of the winter....See MoreRoses for south/mostly west facing zone 5b Massachusetts garden
Comments (7)Patty, Julia has been a workhorse here, even in the not best conditions, some morning shade and mid-day sun, then shade then late afternoon sun, 4 1/2 of sun hours tops but she still keeps blooming. Thanks for the heads-up on disease the first couple of years new Austins have been disease disasters this year. Maybe year three (next year) will be the year I'll see an improvement? One can hope. I'll be ordering her roses and suggesting the best for her to pick from. Luckily she doesn't mind if they lack scent. This gives her a lot more choices. They'll definitely be own root. winter hardiness is definitely a concern. I have Peter Kulkielski's book 'Chemical Free Roses' for reference plus the wealth of information and knowledge from the rose forum community so I'm sure we'll find something that will provide lots of beauty without a lot of stress....See MoreNeed some zone 5b info on these roses
Comments (4)I have or have grown all the ones on your list, and by far the easiest and most rewarding one is Earth Song. It's trouble free, disease resistant, blooms all summer, and has at least some surviving cane most winters. The blooms are loosely double hot pink and it can make an impressive mound at about 5' by 4' if happy. All of the "Peace" varieties are variably tender for me even in a protected area, so I'm impressed that Dingo has overwintered two Pink Peace plants. At least 3 tries each for Pink Peace and Peace have failed, and Chicago Peace seems to be failing its second try. Same for Colorific - three tries in protected areas and it doesn't survive well. Star of the Nile died after two tries, and Gentle Giant only once, but it was in my protected spot. Among the "Easy" series, Livin' Easy is a better hardy rose than Easy Does it that can be variably hardy. Livin Easy puts out orange loosely double blooms and tops out a little over knee height for me, probably more if it had surviving cane. It's relatively trouble free. Dick Clark and Dream Come True are fabulous blooms of more traditional "rose" looking hybrid tea blossoms, both with dark pink edges on the blooms. I love the zowie pow high contrast of Dream Come True especially, and it's about 4-5' tall in a very narrow bush, and blooms a couple of spectacular blooms a year. Not exactly bushy, but a nice accent. It only survives in my protected zone 6 spot though, so it's probably marginally hardy in a regular zone 5 spot. Dick Clark is in a regular zone 5 spot and is about 6 years old, but barely knee high. He puts out a few blooms a year and has come back every year, but I'm sure he'd be taller and a better bloomer in a warmer spot. Winnepeg Parks is a Canadian rose and should have no trouble with your winters and it would like Colorado. It isn't a very prolific rebloomer, and the one I planted last year in a less than ideal spot didn't come back. I suspect it will do fine in a normal spot. It has dark pink loose semidouble blooms, and it probably would take a couple of years before it bloomed much past the first spring flush. So my recommendation is Earth Song definitely, Winnepeg Parks probably but put it in a less prominent spot, Livin' Easy if you like orange, and Dick Clark and/or Dream Come True to push your zone limits a little and go for pizzazz. As you can tell from Dingo's response though, there's a lot of difference among zone 5 gardeners and you may need to see what does well for you by trial and error. Don't be afraid to experiment! Just be sure to bury the graft (the knobby bit where the canes start growing) at least 2 inches below the soil so that it protects the main growing part from the winter. Otherwise, the rose you want may die and you're left with the dark red rootstock "Dr. Huey" that's mostly a pain in the neck. Cynthia...See Morekatyajini
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