In a kitchen work triangle no side of the triangle should be more than 9’ from center front or less than 4’. The range is in an awkward and less than ideal location. The quickest and easiest option Is to place an appropriate stove in the island. It is really the only appliance you can relocate, since you never put a stove in front of an operable window. The second option would be to put the dishwasher on the left side of the sink, shorten the island to allow correct spacing, and place the stove on the right wall between corner and door to dining room.

I would flip the position of the range and sink. You have a crowded corner with the fridge and range, especially if you use a full depth fridge. I would not pit the cooktop in the island. Makes venting it much more difficult.

You said you can move windows, so I’m going with flip the range and sink, but move the window along with the sink.

You didn’t ask, but take a look at your garage entrance. Mid that’s the main family entrance, it’s very tight and there’s no place for purses, backpacks, work bags, coats, boots, etc.

The best layouts have the pantry and fridge near one another and follow best practices. That means you take food out of the fridge/pantry, bring it to the sink to wash, then prep between sink and stove before cooking the food.

So basically to follow best practices you would need to flip the sink and stove.

Also regarding best practices the absolute worst place for a stove is the island

I agree, that range is in a horrible location.

Also, doing the math, your island is proposed too close to the sink wall. The island should be around 48" from the front of the back wall countertop edge. Your countertop will be around 26" deep on the back wall which means your island should be around 74" off the back wall. Especially if you have working areas like the sink & range across from each other. It currently shows as around 60" off the back wall.

Watch the depth of your island. At a depth of 60", it may be not fit into a single piece of quartz, granite, etc. You need to consider what material you're using for countertop.

Thank you all keep it coming

I like the layout in general but I'd also flip the stove and sink, IF you can move those 3 bump out windows. Now the range will have nice size symmetrical counter space on either side of it. Also you could add another small window on the other side of the range.. move the island over so it is even with the end of the range. This is very similar to our renovation we're doing right now but our pantry is where your powder room is.

Tim are you open to having the sink on the island?

How about having a prep sink?

Are you the type of people who after cleaning up dry any hand washed items and put them away immediately or are you the type to leave stuff out to dry, and would it bother you to see the stuff?

Are you the type to leave stuff in the sink or is your sink always clean?

I assume the bathroom and the entry into the house from the garage has always been there?

Additional thoughts.

The fridge and stove are too close. Look what would happen if you open both doors.

Right now your island is 36". If you're thinking of having seating at the island and you want it counter height you need a minimum overhang of 15". 12" is too small.

Aisles should be a minimum of 42" for one cook, but 48" if 2 or more people plan to cook or prepare at the same time. And that measurement is from counter edge to counter edge, not cabinet edge to cabinet edge

Another problem as drawn, your dining area will be very tight. I think you'll need to get rid of the pantry there.

How about moving the pantry to the broom closet?

Note your living room will not be 19'3" because you need a pathway to the kitchen. Instead its usable space will be 16'3"

Now the range will have nice size symmetrical counter space on either side of it. Also you could add another small window on the other side of the range..

Smart move.

move the island over so it is even with the end of the range.

This won't work because as it is the dining area isn't large enough. And after looking at the plan more, I'm thinking flipping the range and the sink may not work for that reason.

Tim, what is your family makeup?

We are family of three. We have considered putting the sink into the island as well. The island could be pushed down a bit too

12" overhang is fine, although 15 is better.

The island could be pushed down a bit too

No it can't because then you really don't have enough room in the dining area. Right now you have about 9'4" for a dining table and chairs. You need a minimum of 3' behind the table on all sides so that actually leaves you with a table that is 3'4" wide.

If anything, you need to cut the island down to accommodate a standard 42" wide table.

The other direction is worse if you keep the pantry.

12" overhang is fine, although 15 is better.

It's doable if everyone in the family is short with shorter legs, but to sit there for any length of time, 15" is much better. Ask me how I know. LOL

Also true of 48” va 40”. 40 is fine. 48 is better. I have 33 inches between my range and my small island. It works fine. Keeps people away from me when I’m at the stove and is a great landing area for hot food coming out of the oven. But its a small island. More of a kitchen cart in the middle of the room. You know how you work. Standards are for reference. and based on ‘best practices.’ But you know how you work and what you need in the space available.

Another personal note, we wanted an island because that’s what modern kitchens have, but there wasn’t the space, so we have a wonderful peninsula and a tiny island.

I have 33 inches between my range and my small island. It works fine.

Except in many jurisdictions it wouldn't even pass code since 36" is minimum for code.

And as you note, if you're cooking by yourself it can be doable but if the child or the spouse want to help, it's way too small.

We can push the island down to accommodate slightly wider. Moving the window and flipping the sink are doable but it just incurs more cost. Reno’s are fun like that.

Cpartist, and Tim, I’m not recommending 33”, I’m giving an example of how different kitchens work differently. If you have all the space in the world, you can have lots of cleadance. Sometimes, you make do.

Agree we are definitely challenged for space . That will always be the issue

Put the sink, dishwasher and trash pull out in the island. Move the range to in front of the windows.

Just reverse the stove and sink. Nothing in the island. I have an aisle kitchen with the sink and workspace on one side, and the stove on the other. It's annoying to have to keep spinning around to prepare stuff on one side and cook it on the other. I'd much prefer the sink, workspace, and stove to be in a row but my kitchen is too small for that.

What if you make the broom closet your pantry? Then move the range onto the wall where the pantry is shown. Put cleaning supplies in the garage in a shallow cupboard. Scooch the door on the back wall a bit closer to the window so you can have 15” or 18” deep there. You have to have 36” clearance so the door into the house won’t hit a car unless you reverse the swing on that door and have it swing into the house.

All these ideas of using the dining room for cabinets seem nice but then you won't have room for a dining table.

Here's one solution. Working on others. It's a small space so something has to go.

Do a peninsula with standing room behind it.

Have the bump out in the dining room with windows for extra space in the dining room.

Have the stove centered with windows on either side.

Move the pantry to the broom closet and yes, do as Annette suggested for extra storage.

I feel like the dining room will be plenty big for a standard 40" rectangular table and chairs especially when there are only 2 walls, it's not a closed in space. I wouldn't do a peninsula there but I do like the bumped out windows on the end in the dining space like that. I'd do a smaller island in order to not have a peninsula in this layout.

Will you use the dining room as a true dining room with a big dining table? Or will it be used more of as an eat in kitchen with a smaller table?

Here is a second idea where the stove is moved to where the fridge is now. I once again got rid of the pantry in the eating area. The island is not an island for seating. Just for standing and using.

Aisles are now approximately 45" wide in the kitchen.

And once again I turned the broom closet into the pantry.

I feel like the dining room will be plenty big for a standard 40" rectangular table and chairs especially when there are only 2 walls, it's not a closed in space.

And one of those walls is a sliding door to the outside. You can't put a table almost up against that wall or people won't be able to get in and out.

The minimum space needed between a wall and a table is 36"

And a standard table is 42" x 5'.

One also has to consider how much room is needed to open up the pantry cabinets.

Will you use the dining room as a true dining room with a big dining table? Or will it be used more of as an eat in kitchen with a smaller table?

I think this shows that it will be used as a true dining space since it's their only sit down space in the house.

You could put a large table on the end of the island and still build into the dining area. It would seat 7 or more.

cpartist... in my last house we had this exact layout but no windows there so sink was on the large island and we had an oval table in that space with a built in bench, no dining room. It was island or small kitchen table seating only.

If you are more casual and don't need a true dining room you could do built in seating in that corner and make the double slider into a single door with sidelight.

Like this -

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You guys don’t like this set up ?

You guys don’t like this set up ?

Yes I like that setup when you have enough room, except I don't like the dishwasher in the prep space. YOU DON'T have enough room!

That's a 33" sink base, with what looks like a 15" cabinet to the right. Then there's the 24" dishwasher and another 24" cabinet so before you even get to the stovetop you have 5'3" of prep space. And this space isn't cutting into the only dining room area.

It all comes down to the numbers. And you don't have a large space so you have to work within what you have. You can't put ten pounds in a five pound bag. Just won't happen.

I answered you on the other post you had where you just posted this pic :)

Sorry if I'm repeating anything anyone has already said, I haven't read every response as there are so many comments.

As I said in the other post, I think the layout in this photo is great because of all the room you have to work at the stove, sink, island etc. I also think your actual layout is 'almost' just as great. Now I have no issue with the location of the range in the photo because it has a good 24" of space between the range and the corner and could work just fine as you see in the photo. Your actual layout however, only gives you 12" and that's a huge difference that would make it more uncomfortable.

So my solution would be to consider reducing the size of the sink window in its current location by a foot or so, and then move the range over to the right that extra distance.

I personally hate a range/cooktop on an island because there's no backsplash, so the grease and splatters that would be going up on a backsplash will instead be going up over the island...up onto lights, and also up ... and then down all over the counter around the cooktop onto the counter, onto dishes (raw meat splatters), and even onto people.

The island is also personally not my first spot I'd choose to put a main sink if I don't have to, because dirty dishes always find a way to clutter that area...those knives and water bottles that have to be washed by hand and are waiting next to the sink, etc. I also like the window in front of my sink. ...BUT plenty of people really like and even love their island sinks!

I would, however, absolutely put a prep sink in the island because I think (almost) every kitchen would benefit from prep sink. I absolutely love mine because it is a clean - and always open - spot for prepping instead of the main sink that can get very full very quickly. Also the prep sink makes (almost) every kitchen more efficient/closer to the action.

One more thing I would consider is making your island a just bit shorter to on the left side/near fridge to make room for more clearance from your fridge.

Lastly, I would definitely consider foregoing the traditional dining table and instead make the island have an extension at the end of it ...otherwise as I think others have mentioned you just don't have the ideal room for a separate table surrounded by chairs. I also think this makes island seating more intimate/conversational. Something like this:

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This lower level on the island is also a great spot to work (cut out cookies, etc) because it is lower/can be easier on the back. Just move the chairs out of the way on the working side of kitchen and it's perfection for someone a little shorter or even for someone older (just finished my parents kitchen and my mom would have loved the space for this shorter area).

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I was liking the idea of moving the sink and the range down a foot too. I think it would be the more cost effective way to do it. Unfortunately our budget it not unlimited

Buehl, that's the layout I was trying to work out this afternoon and for some reason my brain wasn't making it happen. I think this one is the best one of all. I had a similar layout to this in my first house (actually a smaller version) and it was probably one of the easiest kitchens to cook in I ever had.

Thanks for your help, I think the island is a must. We will tape off a bunch of these configurations and see what they look like. Keep the suggestions coming

Do you plan to also have a Dining Room table in that space?

I'm assuming you don't have another dining area for a table.

You don't have a very big space to work with, considering all you want to put in it.

You have to have sufficient clearances all around the island and the table. Add to that the slider, and it means you need even more than the minimum...in fact, you need at least 48" b/w the slider and table -- assuming you're putting in a table...which I strongly recommend.

Also, keep in mind that you have to have clearances around all the "obstacles", including the shelves flanking the fireplace that encroach on the Dining Room table space.

No seating should be closer than about 4 feet to a fireplace -- remember that people/chairs will be closer to the fire than the table itself..

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Based on your layout, these are the issues and a more realistic island size:

The red circles, arrows, and text are all major issues. Oh, and you will never be able to access that corner b/w the refrigerator and range b/c it will be too tight (well, you might be able to squeeze into the corner).

With this layout, traffic to the outside via the sliding doors will be forced to go around the island and through the main working area of the Kitchen b/c there isn't enough space b/w the table and the shelving flanking the fireplace.

Thanks for your help, I think the island is a must. We will tape off a bunch of these configurations and see what they look like. Keep the suggestions coming

Please tell us why the island is a must.

Cpartist, why, because that is what I want. Also clearance between the back wall and the island is 42 inches which is plenty. We have 42 inches now and it is plenty of room.

Maybe not ideal, but it is enough.

Also for the island, i like the prep space, we like hanging out on it, we put stuff on it, additional storage underneath. We have this size island now and it gets plenty of use

I agree with you on the island, you can definitely fit one there too!