Countertop overhanging into hallway
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Walking aisles widths beside counter seating overhangs?
Comments (3)You have a special case. If you look at the diagrams, all of those measurements are to a flat wall. The drawings don't show real furniture or stools which pretty much always stick out beyond the person. They also don't show the effects of people who are unable to neatly push their stool back (like dh whose chair is ALWAYS left pushed back). And no one is ever carrying a book bag or a bunch of grocery bags or a laundry basket or a school project or a tray. Special cases include any time there is a working counter, a table and chairs, the back of a sofa or its actually a hallway or passageway to another room. You have two out of the three (working counter and the only passageway to the breakfast room) in the latest design. I'm guilty of retelling the standards, but sometimes, there are standards and then there are the OTHER standards. I'll deal with the sofa first. With 44", you can walk by a sofa carefully. When its a wall, if you "bounce" off it - no problem. It's tough to bounce off somebody's head. If you're not careful when walking next to a sofa, you can bean somebody when you're carrying something. Think of a sofa where the breakfast counter is plus a kid with their book bag. When there are tables and chairs behind a counter with stools, a slightly different set of dynamics happens. A seated body takes up about 2 feet beyond the edge of a table or counter. When you leave 48" for an aisle, the walkway between the two pretty much disappears. There's no way to phrase this that is politically correct, but if you guys are generally slight, you might be able to squish through - but even then, there is a forest of stool and chair legs to negotiate. People take the most space becoming seated or getting out of their chair - that takes 32". So getting out of a chair becomes a co-operative operation. There is a real difference between encountering this spacing every once in a while at a restaurant (which is the source of the spacing charts) and having it happen every day - multiple times a day. There are differences in how people react to close spacing and tight tolerances and in use patterns. Some people never use both at the same time. Some people find that the stools aren't used a lot. How your family feels about it plus what you want to achieve are factors in whether any given family chooses to go ahead and do 48" or 54" instead of 60". My personal rule is to try not to set up a situation where I'd be reminding people every day not to do stuff with the caveat that nobody should get hit in the head. With a working counter, you need to be able to use what's there - even when people are seated. Again, people pretty much take up two feet. The really truly minimum aisle is about 3 feet when there isn't stuff on both sides of the aisle. This lets you open up all appliances but the largest refrigerators and open up all the drawers, etc. It allows you to walk through carrying stuff without too much concern about accidentally sweeping stuff off the top of the counter. At 60" to a seating counter, if a person leans over, their butt might hit the back of the stools temporarily, but it would be unlikely that something like a grocery bag on its way to the breakfast bar would rip open from the back of a stool or that someone would trip carrying a 12 pack of cans. Somebody can get out of their seat with only a vanishing small potential of hitting an open appliance, door, or drawer or the user of those. So not a lot of "get out of my way" stuff. When the breakfast counter is not in use, most people can pass by the seated people easily to continue on to the breakfast room. If the breakfast counter stuff is being used and someone one wants to go by, they should be able to slide through but might have to wait occasionally on someone to make their final juice selection. You can absolutely try this at home. Way 1: Put some chairs up against a wall so the front of the chair faces the wall. Put your sofa 44" from the wall. Send your kids through the gap carrying assorted things. Watch how often they "go over" the edge of the sofa back. The more they get used to it, the more they will act in the same manner that they will treat the actual space. Way 2: Use some obstacles - like tables or cardboard boxes or saw horses and neckdown the entrance to your current kitchen from the family room so its only 48" wide and about 6 feet long. Put reversed chairs in the aisle so the back sticks into the aisle at least 18" but two feet is better. Use a little blue tape so you can tell the original positions of your setup at a glance. I'd sit some other boxes in the chairs and on top of the "counter" on the other side. Leave it there for a week. Score a point for every muttered curse or when stuff gets knocked out of position. Yes, the kids will think you're nuts but what else is new? All kids think that anyway. hth. And remember, no kitchen perfectly implements all the rules - You pick out the best design you can manage that meets most of your goals and the space you have....See MoreKitchen Counter Top Overhang
Comments (11)Lowes contractors are hit and miss. Call the manager of the department and have them come out to look at the work. Explain that it is unacceptable. and needs to be redone correctly. A few years ago we had similar problem with carpet wood floor installers from our local Lowes. After the manager saw the quality of installation they were removed from our project and we were supplied with a new contractor that did a wonderful job. Not sure I would ever use one of their contractors again even though the second one did a professional job. I think Lowes has a satisfaction guarantee. Good luck....See MoreLedge-type Kitchen Sinks and counter top overhang
Comments (5)Breeze: This is a Lavanto I installed a while back. The "ledge" in front of the faucet deck is matched by the one you can't see in the front. I installed it with a slight positive reveal on the sides because that is the most practical, most sanitary, least maintenance, and best looking method. Surprisingly, I had to recut the rabbet in the cutting board that came with the sink; it was too small. The sink it replaced:...See MoreCounter stool against counter with no overhang?
Comments (20)IKEA adjustable desk legs: https://m2.ikea.com/us/en/p/gerton-leg-adjustable-chrome-plated- https://m2.ikea.com/us/en/p/olov-leg-adjustable-black-30264301/ Butcher block counter (rip lengthwise for a 15” over hang - you need a friend w a table saw or you can get a small Skil saw and do it yourself. IKEA KARLBY Countertop https://m2.ikea.com/us/en/p/karlby-countertop-oak-70335207/ Tried to copy images for you or at least hyper links but didn’t work....See MoreThisMombieLife
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