Trump admin readies ban on flavored e-cigs amid outbreak of deaths

I need to vape to protect myself from a tyrannical government.

Ohh wow, snap, bazinga! Good points and an excellent analogy.

And as with everything else, a law and a ban will solve all the problems. Pshh...

I doubt he will go through with it.

More than 6 have probably died but those 6 were people who had no other health problems. Uncertain of the number who have developed problems from vaping but most of those will have life long health problems.

I too think he will back off of this but the causes need to be found. Back when my father developed his breathing problems then had a stroke one of his doctors mentioned that anything even the albuterol mist that was being used would further damage his lungs. It may be anything inhaled into the lungs will damage them if susceptible but the pressure of inhaling should propel any particles into the inner lung surfaces.

He's already backing down. Now it's "counterfeit" products.

Not backing down. Many adults use vaping as an alternative to cigarette smoking, and report that it's helping them to quit smoking. I imagine that the admin is hearing from that faction.

The flavors obviously appeal to youngsters, and the counterfeits could be anything. That's a problem, and I think it will continue to be addressed. We'll see.

Clove cigarettes were popular for a minute when I was a teen. They were delicious, but I had heard that the clove oil (or whatever) caused one’s lungs to crystallize and that was enough to prevent me from partaking more than a couple of times and no one I knew smoked them regularly; afaik they had no nicotine by which to become addicted.

e-cigs are the bane of teens’ existence, if they only knew it but I am opposed to prohibition of any type because I don’t think the government can tell consenting adults what they can do with their bodies (notice I did specify adults; vaping is already illegal for teens as it spoils be imo).

I hope “they” can quickly figure out which specific chemical/s or combo is causing these immediate and drastic effects. E cigs have been around for almost a decade and this is the first I’ve heard of a cluster of deaths.

“as it spoils” should read **as it should be**

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Weird how 6 people die from vaping and the federal government institutes a ban within weeks, but 20 kindergarteners, 22 people at a Walmart, 49 at a nightlcub, and 58 at a concert are shot and killed and there’s nothing that can be done.

Just wait until the tobacco lobby gets his ears - if they haven't already.

IIRC, the prob with clove cigs is that clove oil is numbing (it's an old remedy for toothache), and it can cause users to inhale more deeply and frequently than unflavored cigs. Similar to menthol, I believe...?

My 14 yr old nephew confessed he had tried vaping with some of his friends and liked it. My sister blew her top over that!

Cloves had nicotine in some quantity. A friend of mine used to smoke those, I could never manage to inhale and didn't see the point of trying to smoke them.

Clove cigarettes are flavored tobacco - pretty strong tobacco too. I smoked them in the 80s for awhile, before switching to a fancy unflavored Canadian brand.

So glad I finally quit smoking years ago.

I have never heard of clove cigarettes. Didn’t know they ever existed. Menthol, yes, but not clove.

Maybe they didn’t have them in Canada

The ones we used to get came from Indonesia, I believe.

Trump pulls back from a ban on flavored e-cigarettes that he once backed

President Trump reversed course on a plan to address a public health problem because of worries that apoplectic vape shop owners and their customers might hurt his reelection prospects, officials said.

It was the latest example of the chaotic way policy is made — and sometimes unmade — in a White House where the ultimate decider often switches gears after making a controversial vow, whether on combating gun violence, pulling troops from Syria or promising to deliver an Obamacare replacement plan.

Officials said the blowback to Trump’s vow to ban most flavored e-cigarettes had rattled him. In an aggressive social media campaign — #IVapeIVote — advocates claimed the ban would shut down thousands of shops, eliminating jobs and sending vapers back to cigarettes. The president saw protesters at events and read critical articles. His campaign manager, Brad Parscale, privately warned the ban could hurt him in battleground states, said a person who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. Trump was now upset with Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, who had taken the lead in rolling out the plan, said three officials familiar with the discussions.

“He didn’t know much about the issue and was just doing it for Melania and Ivanka,” said a senior administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share the discussions.

In recent months, the president’s wife and daughter, who had become increasingly alarmed about youth vaping, were pressing him to take action.

Uh oh, I bet Melania and Ivanka are the ones who meddled in the 2016 election

Because doing the research beforehand wouldn’t fit with his whole “I listen to my gut” vibe.

What a buffoon.

Yup. He listened to the lobbies and backed down, right?

Supporting guns and cigs rather than children - what a way to "win" for America, Trump.

What a despicable human being.

Yep, he backed down. Boy is he for the people or what?! What a spineless wonder when lobbyists come a'callin. He doesn't give a flying crap about this country...just the Benjamins.

Thankfully our MA gov, Charlie Baker does have a spine and is fighting tooth and nail to keep the vaping ban in place....4 months so far.

For Repubs who think dems are super partisan, socialist/commies, our very blue state voted Republican Baker into office. He's the most popular gov in the US. Personally I have normally voted for the person, not the party but I can't think of another repub I'd vote for now esp since Trump poisoned the party.

@jantrue

Baker **is popular and easily won re-election. And is strong on some positions. (Terrible on many - but he is likeable).

Why can't Trump be more like Baker?

Yup. He listened to the lobbies and backed down, right?

That's one possibility, another is that he first depressed Vaping stocks only to buy them up before he changed his mind.....nyuk

Honestly, I'm happy that the flavored vapes ban did not happen (at least for the time being). Why? Because I'm an adult who would still be smoking regular cigarettes if not for fruit flavored pre-filled cartridge based vape devices. The tobacco ones aren't appealing but when you smoke regular cigarettes you start to lose your sense of taste until that doesn't bother you 1% as much as the stink of cigarettes on your hair/clothes will bother everyone else in your life who is a non-smoker. I AM NOT advocating these products be readily available to anyone under the age of 21, or has never been a smoker. For anyone who doesn't meet those requirements, I think that vapes should be near impossible to obtain and have as many hurdles as possible to keep them from getting hooked on nicotine. I know I am not the only one who has been able to taper my intake of nicotine with these devices and specifically the pre-filled cartridge type which are much less messy and contain a consistent 'dose' without coils (which expose one to heavy metals), complicated to use, or bulky (the bulky type that I've tried have had problems with leaking the e-liquid, something that increases the user's exposure to nicotine in liquid form and that's very dangerous because that can ultimately be toxic in and of itself.)

At the same time, I don't want those under 21 and non-smokers to turn to black market products that are definitely never under the obligation to make absolutely certain that the vape devices and the e-liquid/pods they make and/or sell are not made with dangerous ingredients, won't explode in people's mouths and/or pockets, and free of contamination - whether it's accidental or some issue with the way and where they are manufactured but they continued to sell their product even after becoming aware of the problem, when they should have stopped the manufacturing process until they had fully corrected the issue and put into place useful protocol for prevention of identical or similar issues from occurring. That protocol would require employees working on any of the steps in product manufacturing be educated about and trained on each part of the procedure.

There are ways to regulate the vape business so that kids don't get their hands on addictive things that they shouldn't ever have access to, while not depriving adults (who are capable of making their own choices and deciding what's best for their situation) a less-harmful-than-regular-cigarettes option - even if that option is fruit, candy, or dessert flavored. There's been a lot of news articles that mention the most popular flavor amongst teens is mint, and if that is true, then why the heck did Juul take mango off the market not just at retailers but from their online store and auto-ship options??? The first ones they cut were the mango, fruit medley, creme, and cucumber. They still sell two varieties of tobacco and the menthol flavors, with the menthol being the choice of teens now that mint and the others are no longer available, according to the writers of recent articles who asked them about the flavor subject.

I don't want anyone telling me what to do when it comes to my body and reproductive choices, I don't want them to tell me what flavors I can vape, but apparently everyone who wants small government and for the government to stay out of everyone's business, has decided that they expect exceptions for my body (and all women's bodies) and what I choose to vape (applicable to all of those who use vape devices and e-liquids). It's not that I plan on jumping ship to vote for Trump in 2020, but I won't be giving any vote support or donate money to anyone who thinks that they should be the one that thinks I shouldn't have the freedom to choose what I do with my body, or that I shouldn't have access to flavored vape products that are designed with the usage features I want from such items.

Tobacco companies are increasing their investment and ownership of vape companies and they are a huge lobby group who also invest in trump. You don't have to wonder why he's backing off on regulations.

I understand the current issue is the glaringly apparent lack of knowledge on the impact in influencing kids and in influencing custom flavor mixes.

Things with known negative side effects are a cost - there's a personal cost as well as one to society.

Clearly, vapes has a negative health issue that isn't yet understood.

I'd rather have a well-regulated vape product industry with an appropriate level of staffing at the government agency conducting regular oversight, to address quality standards and potential contamination can be avoided as much as possible - manufacturers will be educated about what ingredients they cannot safely use, as well as the punitive actions that the government will take if they go ahead and use those ingredients, and distribute their products to consumers in the US. I know that it's possible to regulate and enforce safety standards, even though there's been issues with various vegetables being contaminated and even ice cream has made it to stores with contaminants - all ultimately were recalled - so it can be done with vape products. It's a matter of does this administration have the will, the interest in funding in the budget, and the level of staffing that will be required to do these things.

I'd rather ensure that people in this country can count on the products they buy being safe to use than have a stupid wall built - which is something that is going to be much less effective than deploying the technology that the people patrolling the border and overseeing official ports of entry have asked for in it's stead. But that's my preference. I'd also like our military to live in safe, uncontaminated housing.

I mean, cigarettes were likely to kill me and the harm they cause has been demonstrated over and over - no possibility of doubting the evidence on that. But I'd still be smoking them regardless if not for vaping. Counting on being one of the rare individuals who lived into their 90's even though they smoked cigarettes, would be silly. I'm an adult though, can make my own decisions regarding my health and what I ingest.

Not all pre-filled vape pods contain the 5% nicotine, which was the only kind that Juul sold in the beginning, the company now offers 3% and is supposed to be working to develop a 1.5/2% pod option. I recently switched to another brand that has 1% and 2% in their pods, and I've been opting for the 1% - not bad for someone who started out with the 5% kind, and has been able to taper their use over time with these products!

Trump surrenders to special interests. This does nothing to stem the vaping epidemic.

"While vague about details, Trump said Tuesday the federal government
will offer a new strategy to tackle the issue soon. “We’re going to
protect our families, we’re going to protect our children, and we’re
going to protect the industry,” Trump said.

He suggested that “certain flavors” of e-cigarette cartridges would be taken off the market “for a period of time.”

The vaping products that have been causing deaths are those from the black market containing thc. I agree that no one under 21 should be able to purchase vape products but I'm also with Jenn. I'm one of those who would never have been able to stop smoking without vape. The problem with banning products is that it means nothing. The black market will thrive all the more, unregulated, and with possible dangerous additives.

I stopped without vaping. Chantix did it for me and I was a smoker for years. Plus Chantix is really cheap to buy. Years later and I don't have a single craving. Vaping still has nicotine, although supposedly less and the nicotine patch well it speaks for itself. So you are NOT really kicking the habit, just changing poisons.

Yes big tobacco is getting into the vaping business and those who think they have your best interest at heart .... well there is this bridge in Brooklyn.

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Vapes don't kill people, people kill people.

We need to solve the mental illnesses that cause people to vape.''

What mental illnesses cause people to vape? Just curious.

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Checked the number of vaping victims - 55.

Roomer has it that all deceased vaped MJ.

The vaping products that have been causing deaths are those from the black market containing thc

"Some people who became sick after vaping weren’t using THC products at
all. Because of the variety of e-cigarette cartridges available—from the
name-brand products that contain nicotine, to cartridges consumers
modify to tweak the flavors or add THC—there’s room for multiple
chemicals to cause lung illnesses, or work together to do so."

https://qz.com/1773595/cdc-confirms-vitamin-e-acetate-as-a-cause-of-vaping-lung-illness/

Some people may have simply been unwilling to *admit* they'd been consuming THC/MJ vaping products and only admitted to nicotine vaping products. Then there are black market products being sold through various means and products that the user themselves have altered after purchasing without knowing what they're doing.

Personally, I prefer to stick with products I don't have to mix/adjust/fill/whip up in the kitchen like I'm baking a darn cake...Now that I can taste/smell things again like I couldn't when I was smoking regular cigarettes and after the transition to vaping was complete (so vaping became the only way I consume nicotine)...I absolutely cannot stand the smell or taste of regular cigarettes *or* regular tobacco flavored vape products. I also liked the Juul device because it was small, portable, no mess and easy to charge up quickly. Now that they only offer pods in tobacco and menthol I've had to switch to another device/pod system but since they also offer pods with lower levels of nicotine (Juul offers 3% and 5%, my new choice in device systems offers 4%, 2.4%, 2% and 1.5% - I've been sticking with 2% and considering lowering it down to 1.5%)...I understand that people are worried about kids getting ahold of vapes, but the recent issues were picked up by the media and the reports contained a lot of scary stuff with very little actual information at a time when the CDC hadn't found the culprit or narrowed down the direction in which they felt it most necessary to look for the cause *in most cases - there's always exceptions*. The media jumped on the subject and all of a sudden there were lawsuits aimed at Juul (and it seems like only Juul), bans on vapes of all kinds, bans on flavored nicotine products used in vaping, all in the name of protecting kids. Like I said, I understand wanting to protect kids, having 4 in the house right now and 2 are our adopted daughters - the oldest of which is closer and closer to middle school as we speak and faces lots of peer pressure from that front - but as an adult who likes her flavored vapes and likes them to be easy to use and not messy in the slightest? Let me be responsible for my decisions on the vaping matter, I don't expose the kids to it and we should be focused on both adults' rights on the subject and how to best protect our kids from getting their hands on these items to begin with.

Trump backed down because many of his cult vape and he didn't want to lose their votes.

I don't want to sound like a pollyanna but why does anyone want to do this? Why does anyone want to smoke plain cigarettes? I get that when you start it's hard to stop, but why do people start? I was a teen once and almost all my girlfriends smoked. Back then when there was no surgeon general warning, I had not the slightest desire to inhale poison in my lungs. I took one puff at a slumber party at 16 and thought YIKES, not for me. My dad started smoking at probably early teens and even though he stopped, he died of lung cancer early in his life. Thank heavens neither kid or grandkid ever tried it. Granddaughter saw her other grandparents smoke all their lives and they're both dead now.

Trump's FDA leaves loophole that encourages teen vaping. "A footnote on p. 9 of the policy permits all flavors to continue to be sold in devices that cannot be refilled & are designed to be disposed of after the flavored nicotine has run dry."

"The Food and Drug Administration is banning most flavored e-cigarettes, but that isn’t keeping banana ice, sour gummy or cool mint out of the hands of McCracken County High School students.

Blame a policy loophole. When the Trump administration decided to prohibit fruit, mint and dessert flavors in refillable cartridge-based e-cigarettes like Juul, it carved out a few exceptions to mollify the vape shop owners and adult consumers who complained. The much-publicized exemption allows menthol and tobacco flavors.

But a footnote on page 9 of the new policy permits all flavors to continue to be sold in devices that cannot be refilled and are designed to be disposed of after the flavored nicotine has run dry.

Teenagers have caught on fast."

Source: Teens Find a Big Loophole in the New Flavored Vaping Ban The policy allows mint, dessert and fruit flavors to continue to be sold in disposable e-cigarettes, prompting many teens to switch from Juul to those devices.