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Carro

Thank you, my hero!




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cattyles

Did anyone on HT say, “Some people did something”? You claiming that “someone” represents all Democrats does not make it so.

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Delilah66

wingers here have a strange way of honoring memories of loved ones lost on September 11, 2001. RIP

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chijim

“Some people did something”

...and some people did nothing to prevent it - see President Bush

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Stan Areted

I heard that played on the news today--I am so glad this victim called out that disrespectful woman.

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Kathy

Context matters.

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adoptedbyhounds

Thanks for the reminder, Carro.

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Janie

Disgraceful

His comments were disgusting, racist. The usual Trump inspired hate-filled rhetoric.

He debased the legacy of everyone who died in the 9/11/10 attacks, including his mother, and dishonored the work of everyone trying to bring an end to the hate and intolerance that is tearing apart nations.

I'm surprised he didn't wear a MAGA hat.

A speaker at New York City’s Sept. 11 commemoration ceremony on Wednesday assailed U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar, a Muslim member of Congress who has often been the target of false slurs by President Donald Trump and right-wing media outlets.

The speaker’s remarks were an unusual deviation into partisan politics and religious division at the somber annual ceremony held at the lower Manhattan site where Islamist al Qaeda hijackers flew planes into the World Trade Center in 2001, killing nearly 3,000 people.

Called up to read some of the names of the victims, Nicholas Haros, whose mother, Frances Haros, was killed in the attack, falsely suggested Omar was confused about the nature of the attack. Echoing Trump, Haros also questioned the Minnesota congresswoman’s patriotism.

“Madam, objectively speaking we know who and what was done,” Haros said, addressing Omar, who was not present at the ceremony. “There’s no uncertainty about that. Why your confusion? On that day 19 Islamic terrorists, members of al Qaeda, killed over 3,000 people and caused billions of dollars of damage. Is that clear?”

His criticism lasted for nearly a minute and a half, and drew a smattering of applause.

“Got that now?” he continued, saying al-Qaeda had attacked the country’s “Judeo-Christian” values. “Show respect in honoring them. Please: American patriotism and your position demand it.”

Haros is a Roman Catholic from Ocean County, New Jersey, who evangelizes online through a group he founded called Facebook Apostles.

Omar fled her native Somalia as a child before her family found asylum in the United States in the 1990s. She was elected from Minnesota last November as a Democrat to the U.S. House of Representatives.

Right-wing media outlets have vilified her for her outspoken criticism of Trump’s anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim rhetoric and policies and of the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians.

Trump has falsely said that Omar loves and supports al Qaeda, questioned her patriotism and told her to “go back” to Somalia. The insults have led to an increase in death threats against Omar, her office has said. Omar has openly condemned al Qaeda and its affiliates, calling their members “terrorists.”

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margaritadina

Cancerous mole on the butt of America speaks about the terrorism class that she took in college all smiley and giggly.



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margaritadina

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Delilah66

wingers here have a strange way of honoring memories of loved ones lost on September 11, 2001. RIP

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Is that your takeout? Not strange that a Dem representative in congress elected by Somalian community said ''some people did something'' referring to the most horrendous Islamic terrorist attack in American and the world history?

OK, sorts things out.

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elvis

cattyles

Did anyone on HT say, “Some people did something”? You claiming that “someone” represents all Democrats does not make it so.

Nope. Neither did Carro say that "someone" represents all Democrats. Or was a post deleted? If not, what in the heck are you talking about, catty?

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Carro

He sorted it out perfectly;-)

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Joaniepoanie

Bull.

And lets not forget the disgusting lie that trump has repeated more than once———that he saw hundreds of Muslims cheering in NJ when the towers went down and how he lost so many friends. He never attended any funeral for any 911 victim.

Margarita— “cancerous mole on the butt of america”—-describes Trump and his family perfectly. Good one!

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margaritadina

It wasn't just Trump who saw the Muslim celebration. It really happened. And all over the world, too.

'' Margarita— “cancerous mole on the butt of america”—-describes Trump and his family perfectly. Good one!''

And Omar gets your approval since you didn't write a word about her. Cool. Now we know who is who and that she really represents at least some Dems.


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patriciae_gw(07)

Trump didn't see anyone celebrate. It was a lie. Misrepresenting Omar is....

That people in other countries who have been the victims of our regard should celebrate that we got some of our own treatment back is not surprising. Plenty of them mourned with us as well.

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Carro

We got some of our own? Oh my God!

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Joaniepoanie

Margarita

And Omar gets your approval since you didn't write a word about her. Cool. Now we know who is who and that she really represents at least some Dems.

*******

You don’t know about what I think about Omar so don’t put words in my mouth.

Care to provide footage of those thousands and thousands of Muslims cheering in NJ on 9/11? Actually, it wasn't hundreds. Trump claimed there were thousands and thousands.

I find it hysterical and also unfathomable that the right is so offended by what Omar, a new jr congresswoman, says while never batting an eye over anything Trump says.

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Janie

It wasn't just Trump who saw the Muslim celebration. It really happened. And all over the world, too.

Trump is counting on people believing his lies, and it appears he won't be disappointed

Do we have to post this AGAIN?


Fact-checking Trump's claim that thousands in New Jersey cheered when World Trade Center tumble

We looked back at the record to see what we could find about American Muslim celebrations in New Jersey on 9/11. While we found widely broadcast video of people in the Palestinian territories celebrating, we found no evidence to back up Trump’s description of events on American soil.

Urban myth

We conducted an exhaustive search of newspaper and television transcripts on LexisNexis, looking for reports from September 2001 through December 2001 that made any mention of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the 9/11 attacks.

Regarding Jersey City, which Trump mentioned specifically, we found two uncorroborated and unsourced mentions. Neither begins to approach the scale Trump described.

The Associated Press, on Sept. 17, 2001, described "rumors of rooftop celebrations of the attack by Muslims" in Jersey City. But the same report said those rumors were "unfounded."

The Washington Post, on Sept. 18, 2001, published an article that claimed "law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river." The Post story includes no source for this information, and we found no evidence that any of these allegations ever stuck.

A more rampant rumor of Muslim or Arab-Americans cheering the attacks centered around nearby Paterson, N.J. But that turned out to be just a rumor, spawned by chain emails and perpetuated by shock jock Howard Stern’s radio show.

The Star-Ledger reported that as the rumors spread, "Paterson police rushed to South Main Street, the center of the city's Middle Eastern community."

"When we got there, they were all in prayer," Paterson Police Chief Lawrence Spagnola said.

Three percent of New Jersey residents are Muslim -- the highest of any state -- according to Pew Research Center. Suspected 9/11 terrorists had ties to Jersey City and Paterson. But there is no conclusive evidence that any New Jersey residents celebrated the attacks, and there is no evidence whatsoever of any demonstrations where "thousands and thousands of people" cheered.

Nor is there any evidence Trump saw these events play out in any way, be it on TV or in person. We reached out to Trump’s campaign but didn’t hear back.

What we did find are many stories of Muslims living in New Jersey speaking out against the attacks and bracing themselves for anti-Muslim backlash. For example, Paterson residents put up a banner on the city’s main street that said "The Muslim Community Does Not Support Terrorism.''

Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop responded to Trump’s statement on Twitter, saying Trump "has memory issues or willfully distorts the truth."

Our ruling

Trump said he "watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering" as the World Trade Center collapsed.

This defies basic logic. If thousands and thousands of people were celebrating the 9/11 attacks on American soil, many people beyond Trump would remember it. And in the 21st century, there would be video or visual evidence.

Instead, all we found were a couple of news articles that described rumors of celebrations that were either debunked or unproven.

Trump’s recollection of events in New Jersey in the hours after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks flies in the face of all the evidence we could find. We rate this statement Pants on Fire.

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Stan Areted

"I remember when I was in college, I took a terrorism class."

She didn't need to

She could teach one.

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elvis

Her statement that CAIR was formed after 911 because Muslims were being picked on is a blatant lie. CAIR has been around a lot longer that that.

CAIR was founded in June 1994. CAIR's first office was located in Washington D.C., as is its present-day headquarters on Capitol Hill. Its founding was partly in response to the film True Lies, starring Arnold Schwarzenegger which Arab and Muslim groups condemned for its stereotyping of Arab and Muslim villains.

Council on American–Islamic Relations - Wikipedia

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catkinZ8a

Some guy triggered some people.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Rep.s Omar and Ocasio Cortez have, and demonstrate, more intelligence, courage and honour than Mr. Trump and his minions ever will. The smears against these women are so obviously desperate.

And which of our members are the same folks who've said, "never forget", when it comes to 9/11?

Wondering what, exactly, is not to be forgotten?

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bleusblue2

carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

I wouldn't go that far, Janie. The small sample of extreme zealotry we see here is not an accurate representation of most people in our country, IMO.

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Thanks. I keep telling myself that too.

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elvis

carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Rep.s Omar and Ocasio Cortez have, and demonstrate, more intelligence, courage and honour than Mr. Trump and his minions ever will. The smears against these women are so obviously desperate.

And which of our members are the same folks who've said, "never forget", when it comes to 9/11?

Wondering what, exactly, is not to be forgotten?

This:

When the Towers were attacked, most of us weren’t done growing up, not by a long shot. In the midst of that malleable time, we were bombarded by the harsh truth that sometimes, the human experience can be senseless. Sometimes, violence and heartbreak are arbitrary. Sometimes, out of nowhere, every single thing you know changes.

Each year, I let myself reflect on what happened. While I know that sifting through my seventh grade journal and rereading sob-inducing news articles won’t make me suddenly comprehend the still-perplexing nuances of that day, it’s become something of a comforting habit.

September 11 took a lot from us, but it also gifted us — Millennials, especially — with a unique responsibility. With no warning, in the middle of our otherwise-charmed childhoods, we saw behind the curtain of the human experience. We were suddenly privy to how drastically and devastatingly things could shift.

That sense of urgency that lives within our generation? Maybe, it's not accidental; maybe, it's supposed to serve as a reminder. Maybe, we live our lives with borderline-delusional courage, unconventional work ethics and a ferocious need to customize our futures.

This is not because we have no regard for the gravity of life, but because we are all-too-familiar with its fragility.

https://www.elitedaily.com/news/911-shaped-generation-y/1205849

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Carro


elvis

Her statement that CAIR was formed after 911 because Muslims were being picked on is a blatant lie. CAIR has been around a lot longer that that.


All politics aside, no matter what party you are, we have a U.S. Congresswoman who outright pandered to CAIR- a terrorist-adjacent and supporting organization- and told a LIE to them about the founding of CAIR, using that lie to prop up her victim agenda; that the real victims of 9/11 are Muslims.

That is patently false.

The read victims are the dead, the sick, the disabled and the loved ones left behind to suffer for the rest of their lives. Every American and beyond has felt the repercussions of 9/11 and it's perhaps never more apparent than when we fly. We've all felt our liberties pinched a bit, in the name of national security.

For Omar to belittle the tragedy, by refusing to name it, by refusing to honor it and by abusing it for personal gain is beyond reprehensible. The sad part is that this man who spoke out at the very rare opportunity he had a platform that rivals that of Omar, had to do so because the people that represent him-the Democrats in Congress- have not and will not. There is no longer hope that Nancy Pelosi will stand up to Omar and her racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic and anti-America rhetoric.


Omar deserved to be taken to the proverbial woodshed on national tv, and reminded that Americans have her number. She's an blight on our Congress and on our Muslim community who is poorly represented by her, and further, hurt by her Islamofascist agenda.

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Prim Rose

And "carro" there is no collective 'we'. You speak only for yourself. Simply one person's opinion.

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Ziemia(6a)

CAIR is being misrepresented here for the most part.

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cecily 7A

Mr. Haros wanted fifteen minutes of fame. Regardless of your opinions of Rep. Omar, his political comments were not appropriate at the memorial service.

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Prim Rose

Because: inflammatory op, misrepresentation of Omar's words, and the old lie from trump about Muslims.

Because: the collective 'we' being used is BS.

Because: it's the hate cycle of the frw.

So, a little bit of 'disruption' in the flow of hate is a good thing.

But ..... take your own advice.

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Prim Rose

I wonder what it is that some people latch onto scapegoats and feel their anger is the same thing as patriotism.

As though, 9-11 needed any more angst.

There's no need to build yourself up by stomping down someone else.

I read Omar's comments - made in March. Taken out of context by the right wing.

I watched her video from yesterday. She described her horror and her family's horror on 9/11. No different than any other Americans thoughts on that terrible day.

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Stan Areted

Nothing was out of "context."

The woman can't contain her glee at the destruction Islamic terrorists caused.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

What heavy filters those must be, that show such false, grossly distorted versions of reality.

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elvis

That's a terrible thing to say, bob.

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