Iraqi man dies after Trump administration deports him

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Iraqi man dies after Trump administration deports him


https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/07/iraqi-man-dies-deportation-trump-administration-1643512


A 41-year-old Detroit man deported to Iraq in June died Tuesday, according to the American Civil Liberties Union and two people close to the man’s family.

The man, Jimmy Aldaoud, spent most of his life in the U.S., but was swept up in President Donald Trump’s intensified immigration enforcement efforts.

Edward Bajoka, an immigration attorney who described himself as close to Aldaoud’s family, wrote on Facebookthat the death appeared to be linked to the man’s inability to obtain insulin in Baghdad to treat his diabetes. Aldaoud was an Iraqi national, but he was born in Greece and came to the U.S. as a young child, his family friend said. He had never lived in Iraq and did not speak Arabic, according to Bajoka.

“Rest In Peace Jimmy,” Bajoka wrote. “Your blood is on the hands of ICE and this administration.”

The Trump administration has sought to deport more than 1,000 Iraqis with final orders of removal, including Chaldean Catholics in the Detroit metro area, of which Aldaoud was one. Chaldeans are an eastern branch of the Roman Catholic church who trace their roots to ancient Mesopotamia in present-day Iraq, where they are at high risk of being tortured or killed by the the terror group ISIS, the American Civil Liberties Union argued in a related legal case.

"Jimmy Aldaoud ... should have never been sent to Iraq," Rep. Andy Levin (D-Mich.) said in a written statement. "My Republican colleagues and I have repeatedly called on the executive branch to cease deportation of such vulnerable people. Now, someone has died."

Advocates point out that many Chaldeans targeted for deportation have spent years or decades in the U.S.

Miriam Aukerman, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union, which represents the immigrants in a class-action lawsuit, warned that continued deportations by Immigration and Customs Enforcement could put more people at risk.


“Jimmy’s death has devastated his family and us,” she said in a written statement. “We knew he would not survive if deported. What we don’t know is how many more people ICE will send to their deaths.”

ICE, the State Department and the White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The battle over the fate of the immigrant group has played out in Michigan, a state that Trump won by a narrow margin in 2016. Many in the Chaldean community supported Trump‘s candidacy and feel betrayed now.

Martin Manna of the Chaldean Community Foundation said roughly 160,000 Chaldeans live in the state and that at least half are registered voters.

“There’s a tremendous amount of anxiety in the community,” he said. “Iraq’s not a safe place for many of the people who are being sent back.”

Manna said his organization has pressed the Trump administration to grant Chaldeans “deferred enforced departure,” a form of humanitarian relief that would allow the population to remain in the U.S. and work legally on a temporary basis.

The administration extended the status for as many as 3,500 Liberians in March, but generally has moved to draw down enrollment in immigration relief programs.


Levin and Rep. John Moolenaar (R-Mich.) introduced a bipartisan bill in May, H.R. 2537 (116), that would grant two years of deportation relief to Iraqis with final orders of removal. While the measure counts 30 cosponsors, the passage of any immigration legislation in the current partisan environment could be a challenge.

The battle over the fate of Iraqis with final orders of removal began shortly after Trump took office.

The government of Iraq in 2017 agreed to accept deportees after previously refusing to cooperate with repatriations. Reuters reported at the time that the concession was part of an agreement to remove Iraq from the list of restricted countries in Trump’s original travel ban.

“We are doing things as required by international law, and sometimes you lose sleep over it,” an Iraqi diplomat told POLITICO about agreements with the U.S.

Advocates for the immigrants took the fight to federal court, but were hit with a major setback in December when the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit ruled the Trump administration could proceed with removals. The decision reversed a lower court’s ruling that had blocked the enforcement actions.

In its decision, the 6th Circuit stressed that many of the people subject to deportation had committed crimes.

According to the ACLU and a POLITICO search of court records, Aldaoud had a criminal conviction for disorderly conduct and served 17 months for a home invasion.

Bajoka, the family friend, said Aldaoud suffered from schizophrenia and other mental health issues.

“His mental health was the primary reason for his legal issues that led to his deportation,” Bajoka wrote on Facebook.

Aldaoud spoke about his deportation in an undated video posted to Facebook this week. In the video, he appears to be sitting on a sidewalk stoop in Baghdad.

“Immigration agents pulled me over and said I’m going to Iraq,” he said. “I said, ‘I’ve never been there. I’ve been in this country my whole life, since pretty much birth.’ … They refused to listen to me.”

Aldaoud said in the video that he had been homeless, vomiting because of a lack of access to insulin and unable to speak the language in Iraq. He also said he had been kicked while sleeping in the street.

“I begged them,” he said of his conversations with ICE agents. “I said, ‘Please, I’ve never seen that country, I’ve never been there.’ However, they forced me.”




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adoptedbyhounds

"According to the ACLU and a POLITICO search of court records, Aldaoud had a criminal conviction for disorderly conduct and served 17 months for a home invasion."

How dare America enforce final orders of deportation!

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Iraqi Christians facing deportation feel conned by Trump: 'You vowed to protect us'


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/17/iraqi-christians-face-deportation-conned-trump

Trump administration wants to deport more than 1,400 Iraqi nationals, most of who are Chaldean – Iraqi Catholics who saw Trump as a ‘savior’ but now feel ‘betrayed’


Ten years ago, police caught the Iraqi Chaldean immigrant Rani Yousuf with a small amount of marijuana. He completed probation, paid fines, and the conviction was dropped from his record when he turned 21.

Still, earlier this year, Yousuf found his car surrounded by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) officers who arrested him again over the charge. He sat for months in a Michigan county jail facing the prospect of deportation to Iraq, a country he left at four years old. He has no family there, doesn’t speak Arabic, and is part of a religious minority targeted by extremists.

“As a Catholic who has tattoos of crosses, and Iraq being a Muslim country – they probably would kill me,” he said.

Yousuf is one of over 1,400 Iraqi nationals who the Trump administration is attempting to deport. Most of those are Chaldean – Iraqi Catholics – living in metro Detroit, which holds the world’s largest Chaldean population outside of Iraq.

The administration’s deportation efforts are viewed by many Chaldeans as a shocking “betrayal”, not least because many in the community have been enthusiastic supporters of Trump and voted for him in large numbers in 2016.

The generally conservative community with between 70,000 and 80,000 voters went big for Trump in the 2016 election in a state that he won by only 10,000 votes. They did so after Trump portrayed himself as a “savior” who would stand up for persecuted Christians. “Chaldeans For Trump” signs appeared at Trump rallies and in lawns in Oakland county, a wealthy metro Detroit area where the community is concentrated.

But just months into the Trump administration, Ice swept up 350 Chaldean men and Iraqi nationals. Now, some Chaldeans hold signs at protests reminding Trump “You vowed to protect us”.

“Some people thought ‘Here comes Trump who’s talking a good game about Christians in the Middle East who are being persecuted,’” said Edward Bojoka, a Chaldean immigration attorney. “A lot of people in the Chaldean community jumped on that and said, ‘Oh, he’s on our side’, and … some people feel like they were conned.”

But while there’s unanimous disappointment in the administration’s plan to deport Chaldeans, some Chaldean leaders say they still view Trump as a “friend”.

Among those is Martin Manna, director of the Chaldean Foundation and publisher of the Chaldean News. He said that the political parties’ priorities force Chaldeans to navigate Washington in an unusual fashion – Republicans seem more interested than Democrats in protecting persecuted Christian communities abroad, but Democrats are more helpful on immigration issues.

“People ask ‘How come you’re not denouncing Trump?’ We always say we need everyone … and we hope through communication with everyone we can find resolution,” he added.

The Trump administration has deported about 130 Iraqis, and others were removed during the Obama administration.

Ice repeatedly notes that those targeted have criminal records, but internal Ice emails obtained by the ACLU show Ice tactically targeted those with records first. It did so to “grease the skids” to more easily deport those with no criminal record later, said the Michigan ACLU attorney Miriam Aukerman, who is representing Iraqi nationals in a class action suit.

Of the 1,400 Iraqi nationals with final deportation orders, about 800 have criminal records, and those with records were convicted of crimes ranging from minor offenses to more serious, violent charges, some of which occurred decades ago.

The ACLU argues Iraqi nationals deserve new hearings in front of immigration judges because Iraq is far more dangerous than even a few years ago. Under US law, those who commit certain crimes can be deported, but the law also prohibits Ice from deporting individuals to countries where they will be tortured or killed.

Aukerman said the vast majority of Iraqi nationals do receive new hearings because of the increased dangers and many are winning their cases.

Much of Iraq is now lawless and Christian minorities are still persecuted – about 1.5 million Chaldeans lived in Iraq before the 2003 US invasion destabilized the country, and only about 250,000 remain.

The risks are greatest for Americanized Chaldeans. Some arrived in the US as children in the 1980s or following the 1991 Gulf war. Many don’t speak Arabic and don’t have a passport or Iraqi identification. Some no longer have family in Iraq, and would arrive with little more than the clothes on their backs. Some are veterans or worked with the US military.

“The reality is they cannot blend in any more in Iraqi society,” said Joseph Kassab, the Iraqi Christians Advocacy and Empowerment Institute’s founder. “They do not speak the Arabic language, and they can be easily identified for kidnapping, killing, or for other punishment.”

The ACLU is attempting to track those deportees and found some have been beaten, shot, have disappeared, or are “holed up in homes with machine guns” on self-imposed house arrest, Aukerman said.

So far, Iraq has largely refused to take deportees, effectively halting the process, but the US is putting diplomatic pressure on Baghdad to change course.

There is precedent for halting the orders. The Trump administration granted a reprieve to Liberians facing a similar situation, and could do the same with Iraqis.

In Congress, the Michigan Democrat Andy Levin and Republican John Moolenaar introduced legislation that would grant Iraqi nationals with orders of removal two years of relief from detainment and deportation while they await individual hearing

Like others who made it in front of an immigration judge, Yousuf’s story had a happy ending – after months in Ice detention, his deportation order was canceled, he was released, and he ultimately ended up receiving citizenship. Still, the lives of most of those targeted by Ice have been “totally destroyed”, Bojoka said.

“The family lost the breadwinner who is in jail awaiting deportation to a place where survival is unlikely,” he said. “That puts fear into the heart of anyone who is affected.”

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Heart-breaking stories.

Kate

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how2girl

"According to the ACLU and a POLITICO search of court records, Aldaoud had a criminal conviction for disorderly conduct and served 17 months for a home invasion."

How dare America enforce final orders of deportation!


So he was convicted & served his time for those offences. Why the need for more “justice”

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dandyfopp

There is a reason these people cannot blend in in Iraq.

They are Americans. To cast them out where they have nothing, know nothing and may also be killed seems less than christian to me, but I suppose it is right in line with GOP Jesus.

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how2girl

Pertinent analysis from Political Analyst Robert E Kelly



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JodiK

If that person didn't require asylum, I don't know who would. I would agree that he was sent to his death... knowingly.

What has our country become? This is not a nation to be proud of, one that sends others off to die when it's not necessary. It's shameful. The current administration should be ashamed of itself.

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petalique

The corrupt, soulless, sadistic and criminal trump swamp and russpublicans would deport Jesus Christ in a heartbeat.

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adoptedbyhounds

"So he was convicted & served his time for those offences. Why the need for more “justice.”

Because the American people are entitled to justice as well.

We do not receive justice until final orders of deportation, a legal process, is enforced and the criminal removed from American soil.

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cait1

He is a criminal yet you want the government to ignore that. Maybe he should have tried to get into Canada as a refugee, though...

Crimes That Can Make You Inadmissible to Canada

  • DUI (including DWI, DWAI, reckless driving, etc.)
  • theft
  • drug trafficking
  • drug possession
  • weapons violations
  • assault
  • probation violations
  • domestic violence
  • fraud
  • vehicular manslaughter (voluntary or involuntary)
  • possession of stolen property
  • arson
  • embezzlement
  • drug manufacturing or cultivation
  • aggravated assault
  • child abandonment
  • property crimes
  • robbery
  • indecent exposure
  • failure to appear
  • hit and run
  • credit card fraud
  • prostitution
  • money laundering
  • sexual assault
  • disorderly conduct
  • child abuse
  • identity theft
  • conspiracy
  • stalking
  • wire fraud
  • battery
  • cyber bullying
  • racketeering (RICO)
  • burglary
  • white collar crimes
  • resisting an officer (resisting arrest)
  • soliciation
  • extortion
  • child pornography
  • insurance fraud
  • breaking and entering
  • shoplifting
  • securities fraud
  • aiding & abetting
  • homicide
  • vandalism
  • careless driving
  • motor-vehicle theft
  • kidnapping
  • tax evasion
  • harassment
  • aggravated battery
  • telemarketing fraud
  • battery
  • evading arrest
  • rape
  • larceny
  • bribery
  • computer crimes
  • hate crimes
  • forgery
  • obstruction of justice

http://www.temporaryresidentpermitcanada.com/crimes-that-make-you-inadmissible.php

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ubro(2a)

"So he was convicted & served his time for those offences. Why the need for more “justice.”

Because the American people are entitled to justice as well.

We do not receive justice until final orders of deportation, a legal process, is enforced and the criminal removed from American soil.

You got your justice when you made him serve time, do you now require his blood to get justice?

The very idea of justice in the name of nationalism which then requires human death for revenge makes me physically ill.

Edited for clarity.

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dandyfopp

Well if blood was wanted, they got it. He is dead.

MAGA

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sheesh(5b)

They must be proud and happy and relieved to be rid of such a criminal. All heart. Loving people. Fine citizens themselves, I'm sure.

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petalique


Trump and his goons have a bunch of these violations:

  • DUI (including DWI, DWAI, reckless driving, etc.)
  • theft
  • drug trafficking (Trump’s has defended his drug trafficking friends — publicly)
  • drug possession ??
  • assaultDefinitely
  • probation violations (staff)
  • domestic violence (raping his wife)
  • fraud — Lots of FRAUD. That’s his middle name.
  • possession of stolen property (Did 45 take $500 to $600 with him to El Paso to pay his outstanding bill for security?
  • arson (thought that was a—hole)
  • embezzlement— Most likely
  • aggravated assault — Most likely; or code-asking someone else to do it on his behalf.
  • child abandonment (DEFINITELY)
  • property crimes
  • robbery (check!) Definitely.
  • indecent exposure (daily)
  • failure to appear (did not appear before congress or Mueller); did not appear with reporters and press yesterday (so he could better lie about what happened, how he was not welcomed. He did not go to the memorials for the victims, he did not think about or communicate words of comfort to the victims and their families, nor did he apologize for inciting hateful behavior and violence against Mexicans, Mexican-Americans and immigrants in his last visit to El Paso. He did not stand before the crowds of people and families of those slaughtered and offer condolences or apologize for past behavior and language. No did he have the courage to country front and see just to look at people in pain because of his inciting words. He is a coward. He doesn’t expose himself to questioning by the people or even presenting himself to reporters and media, except for his toadies and coddling media venues like Fox.
  • hit and run (yesterday — he landed, he made a taxpayer funded campaign ad, using the guise of a presidential visit to pay respects and show support. But no independent media was allowed. Instead of expressing concern and sorrow, he tweeted more hateful and partisan, petty rants at others. His “mind” was clearly on himself and how he thought he was perceived and the manipulation of the false optics for propaganda to further his dishonest campaign. FoxNews toadies gave him a hand. He can publicly excoriate El Paso residents and incite violence against them by white power groups, but after so many murdered, slaughtered, even young children, he will not then apologize, take back his injurious venom filled words of hate or publicly stand before the many decimated families and community his venomous diatribes helped to so shatter.
  • credit card fraud (probably
  • money laundering!
  • sexual assault
  • disorderly conduct ( !!conduct unbecoming!! )
  • child abuse —YES. WAR CRIMES (sexual — ); false imprisonment, kidnapping, terrorizing, depriving of sustenance. Torture. Emotional abuse.
  • identity theft — ** He has yielded to identity theft — Stephen Racist Miller, Putin, Kim, On and on. Working daily to destroy the wholesome and decent (mostly) identity and reputation of the United States.
  • conspiracyINDEED. Evidence was destroyed,peoplewere made unavailable, many of his staff worked with Russia to subvert our democratic election. Many many lies and obfuscation and deceit. AG Bill Barr helped him (still is). Lots of private, off record talks with Vladimir Putin, Kim, among others. His son in law and daughter did not qualify for security clearances, but, with others, he conspired to have the rules broken or bent, then conspired and threatened so that it would stay covered up along with many other important issues and malfeasance.
  • stalking (sure)
  • wire fraud (let’s get those records he kept promising) definitely.
  • battery ( YES!)
  • cyber bullying (Daily. Daily thuggery, intimidation to so many, on so many levels)
  • racketeering (RICO) — well, YA!)
  • white collar crimes (many many)
  • resisting an officer (resisting arrest) (in essence. But for some money and corrupt staff, taxpayer-paid lawyers, politicians, the various AG’s working for him alone instead of our country)
  • soliciation [sic] YES, SOLICITATION! Russia if you’re listening…, “Smash them in the face”; inciting violence with coded but well understood language.

Russia if you’re listening…”, “Smash them in the face”; inciting violence with coded but well understood language

  • extortion — WELL? Hmm.
  • child pornography (Jeffrey???)
  • insurance fraud (I believe so, and bank fraud) Lots of fraud.)
  • breaking and entering (A woman’s private parts with you shrimpy little member)
  • shoplifting (p*ssy grabbing!)
  • securities fraud (gee...!)
  • aiding & abetting (C’mon!
  • homicide (most definitely; he has blood of innocents on his hands)
  • vandalism (It will take a long long while to get his corrupt stench removed.
  • careless driving (driving our country into the ground with the help of the gutless toadying republicans, AG Barr, Moscow Mitch McConnell)
  • kidnapping (stealing children away from their parents and family)
  • tax evasion (and tax cheating along with other financial and property crimes)
  • harassment (HUGE, ROUTINELY; and multiple big lies, daily).
  • aggravated battery (Yes, routinely)
  • telemarketing fraud (Taxpayer funded!)
  • battery (Yes, see above)
  • evading arrest — Absolutely and with the help of corrupt, un-American Sen. Majority Leader, Moscow Mitch McConnell and AG William Deceit Barr, and innumerable sycophants (pols and media) illegitimate officers like fox and tribe.) Complicity.
  • rape — RAPE. RAPE most definitely. Disgustingly true.
  • larceny — ABSOLUTELY. LOTS.
  • bribery — DOES A BEAR....
  • computer crimes — he’s too moronic to do this personally, aside from his many texts (many of which are composed by others like Schivino (sp) while DJT is watching tv or chatting with Hannity (sp) or Putin or some convict behind bars.
  • hate crimes — OODLES or Hate crimes, and soliciting others to hate and to take hateful violent actions. CODE CODE. Mob boss tactics and language. He’s nasty enough to be a competent mobster, but, not smart enough. Trump is a USEFUL IDIOT. He is a CHUMP. Talks big, and lazy, fearful, small wattage people want to think he is their guy. My local groundhog is smarter, and cleaner.
  • forgery — I would not be surprised. Or, as he works, perhaps conned some toady to forge for him.
  • obstruction of justice — YES, YES, YES! OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, and lots of it. Why do you think he doesn’t want D. McGahn to testify (again)? Read the MUELLER REPORT. Or listen to it! I DARE YOU.
  • ATTEMPTING TO OVERTHROW (dismantle) THE USA — Subtly. One horrid act, lie, disruption, outrage, deceit after another. They come fast, piling onto on another, faster than ca n be researched, reported and read. The dictator’s handbook. It helps to have a citizenry uninformed or sophisticated about propaganda. Uncomfortable with questioning. Busy, strung out, no time or inclination to pay attention and read.


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patriciae_gw(07)

A person with mental illness, a serious physical illness that required constant care who is the wrong religion and has no family or friends and doesn't even speak the language is sent to certain death? This is the death penalty Adopted, how is that appropriate?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Now Trump supporters advocate putting the lives of Christians in danger?


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dandyfopp

These don't really look like Christians though.

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petalique

Well said, patriciae. Chaldean’s — a very ancient Christian group. Catholic.

At the very least, this trump administration/ICE act was arrogant and massively ignorant. But, we know it was President Stephen miller’s cruel, White Aryan Power sadism.

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petalique


Chaldean Catholic Church

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Catholic_Church

Persecution in Iraq and Syria

Assyrians of all denominations, and other religious minorities in Iraq, have endured extensive persecution since 2003, including the abductions and murders of their religious leaders, threats of violence or death if they do not abandon their homes and businesses, and the bombing or destruction of their churches and other places of worship. All this has occurred as anti-Christian emotions rise within Iraq after the American invasion and the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003 and the rise of militant Jihadists and religious militias.[28]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Catholic_Church


Note: my bold and italics. *** The UNITED STATES greatly increased the threats to these Catholics. The US supposedly invaded Iraq to, among other things, rescue Iraqis from the brutal tyranny of Saddam Hussein. Remember? Many Iraqis risked everything to help the US and allies in Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld’s ignoble and misguided war. Many of these good hearted trusting Iraqis were promised asylum in the US. Some came, but, despite their commanding officers arguing for their safety, many many more were denied asylum in the US, even under Obama because of a lot of right wing pressure. Of course, trump and Steven Miller and Steve Bannon wanted no Iraqi or Syrian war refugees. The “thinking” (uneducated _sentiment_ seems to have morphed into Iraqi = Muslim = “terrorist” bad, even though this sentiment was not based in fact. It’s the emotional impact that naive, intellectually unmotivated people grab onto in their fear. And politicians and propagandist media know they can count this. This is why Trump posted that he loves uneducated uninformed voters. That’s you Trump supporters.]

(Continuing...)

Father Ragheed Aziz Ganni, the pastor of the Chaldean Church of the Holy Spirit in Mosul who graduated from the Pontifical University of Saint Thomas Aquinas, Angelicum in Rome in 2003 with a licentiate in ecumenical theology, was killed on 3 June 2007 in Mosul alongside the subdeacons Basman Yousef Daud, Wahid Hanna Isho, and Gassan Isam Bidawed, after he celebrated mass.

Chaldean Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho and three companions were abducted on 29 February 2008, in Mosul, and murdered a few days later.

In recent years, particularly since 2014, the Assyrians in northern Iraq and north east Syria have become the target of unprovoked Islamic terrorism. As a result, Assyrians have taken up arms, alongside other groups (such as the Kurds, Turcomans and Armenians) in response to unprovoked attacks by Al Qaeda, ISIL, Nusra Front, and other Wahhabi terrorist Islamic fundamentalist groups. In 2014 Islamic terrorists of ISIS attacked Assyrian towns and villages in the Assyrian homelands of northern Iraq and north east Syria, together with cities such as Mosul, Kirkuk and Hasakeh which have large Assyrian populations. There have been reports of a litany of religiously motivated atrocities committed by ISIS terrorists since, including; slavery, beheadings, crucifixions, child murders, rape of women and girls, torture, forced conversions, ethnic cleansing, robbery, kidnappings, theft of homes, and extortion in the form of illegal taxes levied upon non Muslims. Assyrians forced from their homes in cities such as Mosul have had their houses and possessions stolen, and given over to ISIS terrorists or local Sunni Arabs.[29]

In addition, the Assyrians have suffered seeing their ancient indigenous heritage desecrated, in the form of Bronze Age and Iron Age monuments and archaeological sites, as well as numerous Assyrian churches and monasteries,[29] being systematically vandalised and destroyed by ISIS. These include the ruins of Nineveh, Kalhu (Nimrud, Assur, Dur-Sharrukin and Hatra.[30][31]

Assyrians of all denominations in both northern Iraq and north east Syria[32][33]have responded by forming armed Assyrian militias to defend their territories,[34] and despite being heavily outnumbered and outgunned have had success in driving ISIS from Assyrian towns and villages, and defending others from attack.[35][36] Armed Assyrian militias have also joined forces with other peoples persecuted by ISIS and Sunni Muslim extremists, including; the Kurds, Turcoman, Yezidis, Syriac-Aramean Christians, Shabaks, Armenian Christians, Kawilya, Mandeans, Circassians and Shia Muslim Arabs and Iranians.

There are thus many Chaldeans in diaspora in the Western world, primarily in the American states of Michigan, Illinois and California.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Catholic_Church

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elvis

Sad story.

But why didn't he become a naturalized citizen in all those years he lived in the US?

The man, Jimmy Aldaoud, spent most of his life in the U.S., but was swept up in President Donald Trump’s intensified immigration enforcement efforts.

What was he doing in the US?

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sheesh(5b)

Why does that matter, elvis?

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petalique

Elvis, it is extremely sad and completely wrong. Read a bit more if you want to understand. I just posted something and there is much more at that link and on the web. His parents were refugees. He was born in ? Greece and came to the US as a very young child — toddler. His parents were likely poor after all that upheaval (largely US created). He had only ever know the United States. Unfortunately, he had severe diabetes, needed insulin, and was afflicted with schizophrenia or similar mental illness. My understanding is that even in the United States (Detroit area) he was homeless at times (not unusual for somebody with schizophrenia or mental illness) and live on the street. He probably was very ill and perhaps heard voices or had a lot of confusion mentally and emotionally.

At some point he had a run-in or two with law-enforcement, apparently for for taking some sort of portable drills from somebody’s garage. He was apprehended as he was walking down the sidewalk. Again, the man is (scratch that, “was” — he’s very dead now) physically and mentally ill. His family came from political turmoil and longstanding religious persecution (See posted article above). You can read more about that in what I posted above and there’s a lot more information on the web.

ETA — typo fix and to ask Elvis if she genuinely was interested in learning why the man was in the US, or if that was meant to express disdain — along the lines of a rhetorical statement.

Our culture seems to be infected. Some energetic honest, grateful and kindly immigrants can only improve it. Jaded incurious ‘Mercans May just sink us.

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dandyfopp

These don't really look like Christians though.

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You forgot to put tongue in cheek, Dandy.

What Did Jesus Really Look Like?

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35120965

maybe something like this (See BBC Link):

(Would anybody think this looks like a Christian?)


But maybe he look like this:



I’m sure Jesus looked nothing like Donald Trump.




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dandyfopp

Quite a resemblance. It is fitting really.

If Jesus shows up anytime soon in Donnie's America he is getting shoved in prison or shipped back.

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margaritadina

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dandyfopp11 hours ago

Iraqi man dies after Trump administration deports him

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Did you post when people died due to Hillary's leaked emails because the witch used the basement server and violated classified mail rules?

About Iranian nuclear scientist killed two days after her emails leaked, <> 30 people in China, both Chinese and American CIA? The list goes to up to 90 dead total. Did you post about Hillary, the murderer?

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adoptedbyhounds

"You got your justice when you made him serve time, do you now require his blood to get justice?"

Under our system, we expect criminals to be punished for their crimes.

Serving time for a home invasion was the punishment for THAT crime.

Deportation is the penalty for remaining in the US after you have received your final order of deportation.

Where did you get the idea serving time for the home invasion permitted him to ignore his final order of deportation?


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JodiK

No empathy? Not one iota of compassion for a human being who came here AS A TODDLER, has only known America as his home, and has both physical and mental disabilities to overcome?

I must say... I am sickened.


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ubro(2a)

Deportation is the penalty for remaining in the US after you have received your final order of deportation.

Where did you get the idea serving time for the home invasion permitted him to ignore his final order of deportation?

All deportations have separate and sometimes mitigating circumstances, but I know that some posters are all about "Rule of Law" and have no compassion or empathy for situations that may not follow the normal course.

You can defend it any way you like, it is still morally wrong.

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dandyfopp

I find they care a lot about the law in cases involving anyone but Donnie.

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petalique

As I said in another post, Trump supporters are that way because they are exactly like their “hero”. They like trump because they want to lift themselves up from their own hate-soaked limited humanity. In attempting to defend and rescue him (45), they hope to defend and rescue themselves.

(I sometimes suspect then when their guard is down, they might see the visage of “45” when they look in their mirrors, if only fleetingly.)

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petalique

The “home invasion” was this physically and severely mentally ill man entering someone’s garage to pinch a few portable drills (refugee from US-caused war, failed state, and increased persecution of minorities after Saddam Hussein fell).

I urge members to read beyond the headlines and learn that his crimes were minimal, petty theft and that his father had his own demons and was very hard on his son (the man we are discussing here. Please read this more insightful piece at NPR.

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/08/749508641/i-ve-got-nothing-over-here-iraqi-deported-by-ice-dies-in-baghdad

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Living with a physically and mentally ill family member has got to be one of the most difficult and stressful situations. This has got to be much more challenging for families who have been persecuted and are refugees from war-torn chaos.

That certain people like 45’s supporters show no compassion or willingness to understand, is a pathetic testament to their empty character and cold spiritless souls. Can there be a more ungodly graceless response?


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HU9999

What an awful story. Unfortunately, not a single person in this administration has the capacity to feel empathy, so they won't care that they sent a man to his death.

And from the reaction of Trump supporters here, they too do not have the capacity for empathy for anyone that doesn't look like them.

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pippabean_5b

This mentally ill man who suffered (through no fault of his own) from schizophrenia and was essentailly given the death penalty for a couple of minor misdemeanors,like taking a drill or two from somebody's garage. All this, while being mentally incapacitated. Jeez..

I live in a very well-to-do suburb of a major town. In my leafy town, the most common "crimes" are being perpetuated by teens from rich families, such as stealing 6packs from neighbors garage fridges.

Luckily for them, most are citizens. Still even more egregious criminal behaviour, such as vandalism barely get a slap on the wrist. In one such case, a bunch of boys drove around town durning several nights, altogether smashing about a hundred mailboxes with baseball bats. Many residences here have expensive designer mailboxes on designer posts, so the $ damage was extensive, in the tens of thousands. I think the group received community service and had to pay restitution, (well their parents had to, anyway). That was it. No juvie home for them. Records expunged.

By the way, the local police in my white, asian suburb wipes juvenile records clean automatically. In the big city on the other hand, with large populations of black and hispanic people, that does not happen. A young person has to apply to have their juvenile record expunged and it's not made easy. It's complicated and can take multiple visits to police HQ where records ar kept and can take many months. Most young black males and even females have arrest records starting at about age 12 or even younger, most often for talking to other kids on the sidewalk, or riding a bike, or whatever in their neighborhoods. Most young people looking for jobs are not aware of this, and therefore are being severely disadvantaged without even knowing.

But hey, I guess, not getting a job is still better than getting the death penalty through deportation....

We are fast becoming an uncivilized nation that dishes out cruel and unusual punishment to the most vulnerable among us, while the priviliged get away with whatever. Free to pursue their education, career, happyness. Entitled by luck of the draw at birth (skin color) and their parent's wealth which makes the zipcode possible. And they never even have to be aware of any of it.

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HU9999

Now Trump supporters advocate putting the lives of Christians in danger?

Only those that don't look like them. You know, the brown ones.

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pippabean_5b

Adoptedbyhounds:

"So he was convicted & served his time for those offences." Why the need for more “justice.” Because the American people are entitled to justice as well."

The American people got justice when he served time for his offences. Period. Our system doesn't pile on additional punishments. Of course, had this been a guy from, say Norway, he would NOT have served any time. The Norwegian embassy would have intervened and gotten him a capable defense and probably paid for the mental health treatment this guy, as so many thousand Americans, didn't get in the US.

The deporting of a mentally ill legal resident who swiped a couple of tools out of somebody's garage was an entirely gratuitous and exceedingly cruel act by a cold, non-caring, immigration court. They knew full well what would happen to him. And of course it did.. So here we are.


Rightwing logic:
"Deportation is the penalty for remaining in the US after you have received your final order of deportation."

Smh. One just can't make this stuff up...



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margaritadina

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ubro(2a)

You got your justice when you made him serve time, do you now require his blood to get justice?

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No. Just his legal status. And he wouldn't have to die this horrible way. He wouldn't have to die at all.

He was 41, mentally ill and a criminal (possibly due to his mental condition).

He had a family.

His family didn't give a flying wallendas about how he spends his free time committing crimes and about his legal status - which would be a solid refugee status.

Greece grants refugee status, the US grants refugee status - and they set on their butts not even trying to secure his residency in the US? Or Greece?

Nothing was done by a family - and yes, it was their job - in FORTY ONE YEARS!

Respect American laws and America will love you thousand times more in return, and will respect and protect you, it's the most generous and fair country in the world.

Why liberals always cry for stupid, lazy, law breaking people - the family in this case? And blame America? Seriously, why?


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petalique

And we have a felon in the White House, guilty of multiple crimes, including obstruction of justice, and his hysterical fans endlessly seek to defend him.

This not normal. Pull your hair out.

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Carro

dandyfopp

There is a reason these people cannot blend in in Iraq.

They are Americans.

Nope. He's not. That's the facts.

But keep pinning this man's crimes and lack of becoming an American citizen on Trump. It's entertaining watching the pretzels being made.

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Carro


HU-390342033

Trump had this man killed. Murdered.



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pippabean_5b

carro - as always you'r (deliberately?) misconstruing what's been said.

And resorting to silly memes when you can't defend the indefensible.


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adoptedbyhounds

"This not normal. Pull your hair out."

Failure to enforce immigration laws has been normalized.

The expectation that a President of the United States will uphold our laws has been recast as "not normal."

Lefties are busy blaming President Trump, ICE, and the millions of Americans who support him for the death of a criminal illegal alien who was deported. It's about time they looked in the mirror. It is they who turn American cities into sanctuary for criminals, helping them evade capture and deportation. Of course they're blaming everybody but themselves for his deportation. It's getting easier and easier to tune out the folks who facilitate criminals remaining in the US for decades, and then whine about their criminal behavior catching up with them.


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JodiK

It's obviously too late for some... the train of ethics and empathy passed them by, and they don't see others as human.

Just because something is a law doesn't necessarily make it right.

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petalique

ABH — once again (purposefully) missing the point. Reading comprehension problems?

“And we have a felon (your Mr. trump) in the White House, guilty of multiple crimes, including obstruction of justice, and his hysterical fans endlessly seek to defend him.

This (felon as president of the US) is not normal.”


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JodiK

The normal person would think... "since I have attained this place of power and I have a platform to speak to the people, I should use it to make things right... to instill peace, compassion, justice, and the need to treat all peoples with equity and fairness"...

But, no... this idiot only thinks of himself, and what he can gain. And he puts forth what is the worst of the worst when it comes to the human condition. He makes violence acceptable, even preferred. He takes bigotry to a whole new level. And his followers, much like cult members, respond... they copy him.

They don't care that his past, which is public record, shows him as the criminal he is, the racist he is, the sexist he is, or that he uses and discards people just like them without a second thought.

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elvis

JodiK

It's obviously too late for some... the train of ethics and empathy passed them by, and they don't see others as human.

Just because something is a law doesn't necessarily make it right.

Well, there's a point there. Take abortion, for example.

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adoptedbyhounds

"since I have attained this place of power and I have a platform to speak to the people, I should use it to make things right... to instill peace, compassion, justice, and the need to treat all peoples with equity and fairness"...

LOL! No, a normal person doesn't presume to have the power "to instill peace, compassion, justice..." in anyone. Presidents are human beings, not parents, nannies, nor deities. We don't elect presidents to tell us, as adults, how or what to think. That's why President Trump remains so popular with his base.

Trying to enforce laws written and passed is a presidential duty, not a defect.


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patriciae_gw(07)

So Trumps base tell him what to think? You have something there.

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Ziemia(6a)

Most of the USA's founders were white men.

TrumpFans are most comfortable it seems with white men being deferred to.

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maddie260

I’m so very tired of all this ‘winning’. Some have lost their souls to win.

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ubro(2a)

Why liberals always cry for stupid, lazy, law breaking people - the family in this case? And blame America? Seriously, why?

And there you have it in a nutshell, stupid, lazy, law breaking people. No compassion, no empathy, no room for extenuating circumstances.

The law, should be upheld, but within delivering the law, every country usually has a mechanism which they use when the person they are sending back faces certain death.

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adoptedbyhounds

"So Trumps base tell him what to think? You have something there."

No way. Telling candidates what I think is my right and duty as a citizen. Concern over politicians forgetting who they're supposed to serve was a major issue just waiting for a strong, pro-American, anti-globalist candidate to come along. Thank you President Trump!

This forum allows us all to tell others what we think.

I've noticed the least persuasive posts include mind readings.

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JodiK

Elvis, there is no law that states anyone has to have an abortion... so trying to compare oranges with apples is not working.


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adoptedbyhounds

"TrumpFans are most comfortable it seems with white men being deferred to."

I see a lot of "white men" running for the Democrat nomination.

Which ones are Trump fans deferring to?

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elvis

We could have saved a lot of time here if the thread title simply read:

"Iraqi Citizen Died After Deportation from USA" rather than

Iraqi man dies after Trump administration deports him

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elvis


JodiK

Elvis, there is no law that states anyone has to have an abortion... so trying to compare oranges with apples is not working.

No apples or oranges, just my truthful comment on your statement, which was:

jodik: Just because something is a law doesn't necessarily make it right.

I replied: Well, there's a point there. Take abortion, for example.

Just because the law says abortion is legal doesn't make it right. That's the point, that's your point.

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JodiK

Abortion may not be right IN YOUR OPINION... but that does not make it wrong in the opinions of others.

It's a choice... not a law that you have to follow by being forced into obtaining an abortion.

Still apples and oranges.

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pippabean_5b

Ziemia said:

"TrumpFans are most comfortable it seems with white men being deferred to."


and adopted responded with:

"I see a lot of "white men" running for the Democrat nomination.

Which ones are Trump fans deferring to?"


Oh trumpsters, dropping correlational fallacies on the way to nowhere....


And another beauty from further up-thread by adopted:

"Deportation is the penalty for remaining in the US after you have received your final order of deportation."


What a lovely example of circular logic, voluntarily displayed on a platter here, showing everyone here what sloppy thinking leads to....






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margaritadina

''

ubro(2a)

Why liberals always cry for stupid, lazy, law breaking people - the family in this case? And blame America? Seriously, why?

And there you have it in a nutshell, stupid, lazy, law breaking
people. No compassion, no empathy, no room for extenuating
circumstances.

''

You got it right. I have no compassion for this man's family. They didn't lift a finger to secure his status in the US. and the guy was FORTY ONE yo. Stupid and lazy people, they basically killed him.

''

The law, should be upheld, but within delivering the law, every
country usually has a mechanism which they use when the person they are
sending back faces certain death.

''

Not really, not any more. In the 1990s plenty of Balkan and Chechen terrorists were shielded by Western countries. Terrorists that beheaded soldiers, gutted pregnant women and played soccer using fetuses for soccer ball on camera. They were shielded by liberal human rights organizations because terrorists would have faced death penalty for their crimes if returned to their countries of origin. And in a liberal world prosecuting a war criminal is an unacceptable idea.

I am not drawing any parallels between war criminals and this unfortunate guy but all mechanisms that prevented deportation due to facing certain death have been lifted off since. Except for political dissidents and persecuted minorities. The guy should have had a solid refugee status and c-ship. His family should have taken care of it. But they didn't. Well, their call.


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pippabean_5b

trumpsters - twisting themselves into pretzels trying to blame everybody else but the people who made the totally unnecessary, purposely cruel decision to give this mentally sick man the death sentence via deportation.

See? no blood on our/their hands! We/they, didn't murder him!

It's all his own fault. Should have had better parents. Should not have been mentally ill. should... should...

Trumpsters, never taking responsibility, or taking their idol to task. For anything. It's always, ALWAYS somebody else's fault.

This time the mentally ill guy asked for it. It's his disfunctional family...

Victim blaming as per usual.

What else is new...

Alas.

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margaritadina

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pippabean_5b ....Should not have been mentally ill.

''

Citation or it's a lie.


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elvis

Well, there you go! All blather.

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ubro(2a)

trumpsters - twisting themselves into pretzels trying to blame everybody else but the people who made the totally unnecessary, purposely cruel decision to give this mentally sick man the death sentence via deportation.

Bingo!

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adoptedbyhounds

"Oh trumpsters, dropping correlational fallacies on the way to nowhere...."


Pippabean,

Your misplaced criticism would better serve the poster who claimed "TrumpFans are most comfortable it seems with white men being deferred to."

Asking which white men she's talking about is a legitimate question making no judgment regarding correlation nor cause.

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Ziemia(6a)


If anyone thinks

°*A lot of white men running* disproves

°"TrumpFans are most comfortable it seems with white men being deferred to."

°THEN a review of basic logic is likely needed.

PS: there are a lot of not "a white male" running.

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Ziemia(6a)

PPS:

Which white males? Take your pick of the GOP MoC (well, except a few).

Which GOP prez candidates in 2015-16 weren't white?

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elvis

Here's a project for you. Take the total 2015-16 presidential office-eligible people in the US, figure out what percentage are "white". Just to keep it realistic, they must be college-educated, since the candidates invariably are. Then take the total 2015-16 presidential candidates and figure out what percentage were "white".

Just an aside: which Dem prez candidates in 2015-16 weren't "white"?

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Ziemia(6a)

Time marches on.

116th Congress.

2020 prez election in play.

(Still reminding us that USA is still majority white?)

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adoptedbyhounds

If anyone thinks

°*A lot of white men running* disproves

°"TrumpFans are most comfortable it seems with white men being deferred to."

°THEN a review of basic logic is likely needed.

LOL! Not in dispute, but thanks for sharing.

PS: there are a lot of not "a white male" running.

We know. The longest list, however, is of white guys.

Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, Inslee, Bullock, Steyer, Ryan, de Blasio, Bennet, Delaney, Hickenlooper, Moulton, and Sestak.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/2020-democrat-candidates-771735/



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JodiK

What does any of that have to do with the obvious lack of anything resembling empathy for a man who has never lived anywhere else but the United States, doesn't speak Iraqi, and has not only insulin dependent diabetes to contend with, but also a mental illness, being deported to a country he's never known, has no family there for any kind of support, no money to start a new life even if he did speak the local language and had family... and now, because of some messed up legal glitch, and the fact that trump has told all his minions to hate on immigrants, he's dead?


Some of you really take the cake... let me tell ya. SMH...


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elvis

(Still reminding us that USA is still majority white?)

I have trouble believing that you need "reminding". What's your point?

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