First I would have discouraged you from a 48” range the ventilation alone will cost as much or more than the range I run a catering biz with a 36” range Now that it is there you need to make a trip to a good appliance store and ask many questions about all the options for wall ovens. Keep in mind how you cook and be careful to not get lost in the rhetoric about what some salesperson thinks you need.

Thx patricia for your thoughts. I have been to the stores and have heard all the descriptions. I was hoping to get an unbiased answer to what would be an easy to use multi purpose oven to complement the ilve Since i am clueless to how these combi ovens operate and hold up. Mostly i am looking for a self cleaning oven to cook messy stuff in that maybe is also a microwave for simple tasks. I have a sharp drawer micro in our basement kitchen that is my fall back idea along with a 24” regular oven. I already bought the Ilve majestic in 48” size. I admit mostly for the looks . I am not concerned about the venting—our contractor said no problem. i told the salesman I will need a hotplate too since I didn’t expect to cook on it (too pretty) and he said I wasn’t the first to want that. arch, you are too funny. Believe me I hate oven cleaning and will consider your offer but I’m telling you I’m a messy cook! Thx for your thoughts,

There aren't many 24" wall ovens that include microwave. This Bosch HMC54151UC (also BB) may be your best bet (at $1530 not cheap, though).

Thx wdcruise. The appliance store guy had this one in my Bosch appliance ‘bundle’ but I dont think it is self cleaning. Maybe because of the electronics in a ‘speed’ oven they cant do self cleaning...

Not a huge fan of self-cleaning ovens. It's a great way to make an oven die prematurely.

I usually just don't bother all that much about trying to keep my big oven looking pristine. It's a tool. It's OK if people can tell that it gets used. I do try to avoid drips though, and I always clean it out, if that happens.

But every few years, I do go to the trouble of cleaning it more thoroughly. And I find that chemical oven cleaners are easy to use and very effective.

Besides the big oven in our range, we have a Miele SpeedOven (that's the thing you are asking about: oven + microwave), and we have a Miele combination steam oven (CSO).

I actually suspect that you'd be extremely happy with a combination steam oven instead ... assuming you are willing to go through the learning curve. Not only can you defrost fast and precisely, but you can also make the most amazing roast meats, and you can roast your foods much faster than you'd do otherwise.

Furthermore, if you buy one of the better models, then they'll do double-duty as a sous-vide cooking appliance. It takes some time to get used to this technique, but results will blow you away.

I just did a quick search, and there are interesting recipes for sous-vide coq-au-vin. Gotta give that a try one of these days.

And I personally find that because of all the steam, my CSO is usually pretty easy to keep clean. Grime doesn't burn on all that much, and is generally easy to wipe off. But I have to admit that I try to avoid cooking excessively splattery dishes in my CSO. That's what the big conventional oven is for. And some people on Houzz have said that they find it difficult to clean the top of their oven if it ever gets dirty, since the exposed broiler element makes it difficult to clean behind it. So, I try to avoid that if easily possible.

from what I've been reading, the combos aren't that great. if one breaks, the whole thing has to go.

I've been researching the GE Profile wall ovens with steam self-cleaning.

24" is very small. can you do a 27" ? (a full turkey won't even fit in a 24)

so the large 48" oven is for entertaining and the small wall oven will just be for everyday meals? is that how I"m reading this?

I'd look for a wall oven, convection, w/your self clean option. But as stated, that can do a number on the oven. it's best just to keep up w/drips and spills every few months or so

24" is very small. can you do a 27" ? (a full turkey won't even fit in a 24)

The Miele CSO is 24". You have the choice between two different sizes (XL vs. XXL), but the only difference is height not width.

Every year, the local Miele Experience Center cooks a full turkey in their CSO. So, I have no doubt that this works. I haven't tried is myself yet, as our CSO wasn't installed last Thanksgiving. But I did cook a big goose in it. Worked beautifully. The only problem was that it cooks much faster than conventional ovens, so my entire time planning for that meal got messed up badly.

And of course, there always is the option of spatchcocking the bird. Then you have even more options with how much or how little space you need.

I would suppose that the high temperature required for the self-cleaning cycle would destroy the microwave electronics. This inexpensive Cosmo C106SIX-PT does combine a convection/speed oven with self-cleaning, no microwave.

This inexpensive Cosmo C106SIX-PT does combine a convection/speed oven

That's a rather unusual use of the word "Speed Oven". That term is usually reserved for any oven that combines a microwave with a regular oven (typically, but not necessarily, with a convection oven).

In fact, the only mention of the word "speed" in the description of this particular model is in relation to a rapid preheat function that it has. But the particular implementation of this preheat mode seems wonky. The user manual tells the user not to put any food into the oven while it is preheating. That's unusual. I don't think I have ever seen similar restrictions with other brands.

I have a 48" BlueStar (which I bought in great part because it's NOT self-cleaning and does NOT have bells and whistles) and also have a more or less basic Electrolux wall oven, which I like; I assume it has self-clean but I've never used it, I just clean up as soon after use as possible. I'd recommend a basic, reliable wall oven,

https://blog.yaleappliance.com/most-reliable-wall-ovens

I'd spend some time searching through the Appliance and Kitchen forums reading up on different wall ovens, how people use them, and informal views, and get an idea for what you think would work for you based on how you cook and eat.

I agree with Beth about the reasons for getting a separate microwave.

What's your budget, by the way?

I've been using a 30" Bluestar wall oven. Not too many bells and whistles--just the ones I want. No bending over so using the oven is actually fun. The french doors use less space when open. Built in baking stone, and a broiler that is only one step down from a real salamander. Holds a full size baking sheet so you can easily bake 12 loaves at a time. After three years, I couldn't be happier with my choice.

Thanks, everybody for your good thoughts. I must be the only messy and lazy cook out there! I’ve always used my Kitchen aid self cleaning ovens and haven't had a problem. I will try to get in the habit of wiping out my oven this month and see how it goes. I don’t really have a budget for appliances—The space where i want to put the third oven will only take a 24” though.

I must be the only messy and lazy cook out there!

I'm not too neat and tidy, but I'd rather spend money and time on other things than re-buying appliances. For the same reason, and much to the unhappiness of my kids, we don't have water/ice through the door of our new refrigerator either : ) .

If you have KA ovens now and like them, I'd go with that again. For me one of the problems was that my previous range was a vintage 1950s O'Keefe & Merritt which was a tank and worked beautifully, but had only four burners and one teeny tiny oven.