Consider paying a kitchen designer to come to your house for a one-time consult on your husband's plan. A family member just did this because she wanted to doublecheck their carpenter's rough design. The designer pointed out some small flaws, which were corrected and all went well after that.

I would agree hubby is not a KD and get one now. BTW walkin pantries are a huge waste of space so maybe start there. Start with the cooktop on an outside wall for venting for sure.

Hello Sheila Kelly Drafts ,

Not to add another voice to all the, 'help,' you got above, but let's see what we can do here.

I'll let you in on a little trade secret to Kitchen Design - it's called, 'The Triangle.' The most efficient designs create a triangle between Sink, Stove/Oven & refrigerator, with use able counter space between.

Currently you have an odd shaped polygon going on - and using the secondary sink actually cuts off the entryway to the pantry - which is what you wanted to keep in the first place.

Coco Chanel said you should remove one clothing accessory before you leave the house. Same idea goes for your home - it's not about putting ALL things in, it's about putting the RIGHT things in. Specifically - do you really need (2) sinks in a kitchen this size - or would a traditional stove and a Pot Filler serve you better (for example?).

It also looks like you have a dark corner with some shelves - maybe creating an 'L' Shape off the pantry would help more & give some of that freed up counter space to actually eat at the island.

I take it by your screen name that you can Draft & create some 3d models. With that being said, I'll offer a free preliminary plan sketch of the kitchen for you to model for free. Just hit me up, on houzz or on my website.

Thanks,

-frank

I think if you posted your floor plan drawn to scale with all the detail that is important then see if some more help comes your way.

So I typed up a long explanation but the post failed. I guess due to the large pictures. Anyway, the first picture is the plan hubby likes the best because he hates corner cabinets. It's the one I like the least. Herein lies the problem. Does it look weird/odd to have the empty space between the oven and the pantry? We love our walk-in pantry. The second one is a plan hubby just drew today. He's drawn more than 30 plans over the last few months trying to get this just right. We have had a professional kitchen designer, cabinet designer and interior designer help us. We just can't seem to design it to satisfy both of us.

New design done today

Some things that jumped out at me, FWIW:

1. Why not put a full range in the island so you don't have to waste wall space on a stacked double oven? Or if that's a cooktop, add a wall oven underneath. Then do a microwave drawer somewhere in the island.
2. Visually, I think the wall cabinets that "overlap" the kitchen sink will look odd. I think you should leave a little breathing room between the end of the wall cabinets and the window casing. Align the ends with the edges of the sink. (If you look at that wall in elevation view, you'll see what I mean.)
3. I agree that you don't really have the luxury of having a walk-in pantry in this space. I'd use that wall for the fridge.
4. Now that the ovens and fridge have been moved, you can do tall pullout pantries there instead, or possibly one pantry and one appliance garage for your coffee pot, toaster, etc.

Have you considered a sink in the island, with a range on the wall?

Sabrina, thank you. We currently have the walk-in pantry. We are trying to save money by not removing/changing the pantry. We are getting older so I really like the idea of the wall oven with the microwave above because the oven will be easier to access as it gets harder for us to lean down. The cabinet overlap is an error hubby hasn't corrected. What is your opinion on the open space between the oven and pantry in the first plan?

Wonder if it would help if I posted a pic of our current layout?