Bill to make MaineCare cover abortions headed for passage ..........

Jane

Bill to make MaineCare cover abortions headed for passage after close vote in Senate

The Maine Senate voted Tuesday to require MaineCare and private health insurers to cover abortion services, likely clearing the way for final passage of the controversial measure.

The 19-16 vote came one week after the House voted 79-63 to pass a measure that supporters argue is necessary to ensure that women can access abortion care regardless of their income or insurer. While the bill faces additional procedural votes, Democratic Gov. Janet Mills is expected to sign the measure into law.

The bill, L.D. 820, would expand the circumstances under which the state Medicaid program, MaineCare, covers abortion services and also would require private insurers that provide coverage for maternity care to cover abortions. But opponents say the bill violates the religious or moral beliefs of abortion opponents by using taxpayer money to pay for the procedure.

Sen. Shenna Bellows, D-Manchester, was among several bill supporters who said decisions about pregnancies should be made by women and their doctors. Bellows said the bill is not about taxpayer funding for abortions but, instead, is aimed at ensuring insurance companies do not make political decisions or discriminate against women.

“This bill is simply about requiring our insurance companies to cover abortion just like any other medical procedure, to ensure that it remains safe, legal and available so that women and their families – in consultation with their doctors and their churches – can made their own decisions,” Bellows said.

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VedaBeeps SoCal 9b/10a(9b/10)

But opponents say the bill violates the religious or moral beliefs of abortion opponents by using taxpayer money to pay for the procedure.


If churches want a say they should start paying taxes.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Congratulations, Maine!

Kate

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Ziemia(6a)

And the moral beliefs saying ...(can't pick - there are so much many things we pay for that we are morally opposed to).

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foodonastump

Is other elective surgery going to be covered as well?

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Zeus

foodonastump

27 minutes ago

Is other elective surgery going to be covered as well?

Like vasectomy and tubal ligation?

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foodonastump

No, I wasn’t thinking preventative surgery. Might be careful around here, labeling abortion as birth control.

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Webuser 107388825(7a)

vasectomy and tubal ligation come under their" limited family planning benefit."

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palisades_

No, I wasn’t thinking preventative surgery. Might be careful around here, labeling abortion as birth control.

Penoplasty on your mind?

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Zeus

foodonastump

1 minute ago

No, I wasn’t thinking preventative surgery

You are also under the false assumption the all abortions are surgical.

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Prim Rose

wow, anything goes, pallisades.


It's always the right with the crude rude and socially unacceptable remarks.

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freeshoesfsu

I have moral and ethical objections to paying for military adventures like Iraq, Sudan, etc.


Why are some moral objections more important than others?

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Zeus

In actuality, lots of surgery is elective. Penile implants Knees, back, breast after mastectomy. All covered.

In the US, the mortality rate is 26/100,000 births. How many people with a bad knee the are going to die from that?

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palisades_

Prim Rose, you can read about it here. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5313298/

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foodonastump

I’ve got no issue with medically necessary abortions getting paid for by insurance. I’m just pondering elective ones. Not sure where I stand on that. And nowhere did I say that all abortions are surgical.

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Zeus

foodonastump

just now.... And nowhere did I say that all abortions are surgical.

foodonastump

1 hour ago

Is other elective surgery going to be covered as well.

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Lue

Abortion is legal so it should be covered. It is in Canada.

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Lue

"I’ve got no issue with medically necessary abortions getting paid for by insurance. I’m just pondering elective ones."

You either support a women's right to choose or you don't. it shouldn't be an option for just women who can afford an abortion.

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Olychick

I'm morally opposed to that cretin in the White House, but am forced to pay every day.

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patriciae_gw(07)

I had surgery for cancer, it was considered to be elective.

If insurance wont pay for abortions then why will they pay for Viagra and its ilk. It elective.

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Zeus

Last I checked, a vasectomy does not prevent a man from becoming pregnant.

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palisades_

Vasectomy can be part of a family planning coverage to prevent pregnancy in the case that his partner for some reasons not able to use bc and they don’t want to have children.

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Zeus

Lol. I think people here know what a vasectomy is...

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palisades_

Thanks for thinking for the people. Since vasectomy procedure is not always covered, but should IMO.

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foodonastump

Zeus - thank you for quoting me to show that I did not say all abortions are surgical.

Anyway there’s definitely some grey lines here and not all insurance policies cover the same procedures; I’m just questioning whether this one should be mandatory. And I’m not sure all the analogies are valid. For example reconstruction post mastectomy is a different thing from someone wanting to go from B to D, in my book.

ETA - and Lue, I’m pro choice no doubt. Just not sure others should be forced to contribute to it. Even the war analogy isn’t great because it’s our elected leaders determining the need to go to war. Nobody is representing the public on the choice of a particular abortion. And it’s not necessarily a rich person’s procedure. Our largest provider helps find programs that can assist with the cost.

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patriciae_gw(07)

My surgery was many years ago but I learned then that most of what you have done medically is elective. Your insurance company can cover any elective procedure they choose. Typically they will mostly list what they wont cover no matter what. Still who would have thought that a procedure necessary to save your life is elective from their prospective. I have spent a good deal of time medically this past year and every single thing done was elective. Again without it I would be dead right now most likely. So why not cover abortions? Of course there are those who would not have insurance cover birth control. Weird if you ask me. the same people have no trouble with insurance covering male enhancement meds.

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Jane

Vasectomy can be part of a family planning coverage

Not from Catholic health programs.

Contraceptives aren't provided either.

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JodiK

Perhaps religious organizations should begin paying taxes if they want to interject in the legalities of healthcare and medical procedures, therein.


One might think that what's good for the goose is also good for the gander, but such is not the case in these United States... funny, because our states seem anything but united.


Interesting that insurances will pay for male medication that makes rape and incest possible for some... but most want nothing to do with covering the unwanted aftermath. And women keep getting the short end of the stick.



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Ziemia(6a)

Birth control and abortion are not true electives. One can't decide to put them off for a few years as one can for knee replacements can.


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freeshoesfsu

Those passing this law are elected officials too, just like those determining we will kill other people in their own country.

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Prim Rose

Up until recently Maine had an abhorrent governor who refused to allow expanded Medicaid even though voters had said 'yes' to it.


I'm thinking Maine voters are 1000 times more progressive than him and good on them if this bill passes.

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socks(10a)

Good for Maine. Now they need to boost up the state's vaccination rate which is comparatively very low.

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heri cles

Good for Maine, and thank you Jane



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texasranger2

Vedabeeps---- seems mentally confused about the difference between a church and individual taxpayers. Maybe she just assumes only those who go to church oppose paying for other people's abortions while all others would be more than happy to foot their bills, get them out of their mess and pay for killing their unwanted babies on demand.

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Lue

I don't know how some of you sanctimonious holier than thou types live with yourselves.

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dandyfopp

Great news.

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texasranger2

Lue

We take responsibility for our own actions and don't kill our own unborn children.

Thats how we live with ourselves.

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Jane

We take responsibility for our own actions and don't kill our own unborn children.

Just other people's children?

By taking away programs that provide food, health care, housing for vulnerable children?

Must make the RWingers very proud.

And there will be millions more vulnerable children needing food, health care, housing if Trump and his evil minions impose their evil plans on all Americans

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Chi

"We take responsibility for our own actions and don't kill our own unborn children."

And that's your perogative. Why do you want to control others?

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Lue

That isn't true. Republican women and those that claim to be religious also have abortions. The difference is they think it is okay when they or one of their family members have one. And let's not forget the inconvenience of a mistress getting pregnant. They just don't want anyone else to have one. Repubs believe in "do as I say not as I do"

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Jane

The legislators in Maine are enacting laws that represent the desires and beliefs of the people in Maine.

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petalique

Support reproductive justice.

Women will never have equality until they have control (through freedom to choose) of their bodies, including the choice to continue or terminate a pregnancy.

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petalique

Look at how often some fathers must be taken to court in an attempt to secure child support (their share). This is not always successful. Sometimes it has put the pregnant woman in danger of being seriously injured or murdered. This is not unheard of. The mother and fetus are both terminated, even when the mother does choose to give birth.


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JodiK

Yeah... they take so much responsibility that they're lined up around the block waiting to adopt or foster all the children their moral superiority forced into this world. They just can't wait to share the wealth.


Right...

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elvis

lue wrote: They just don't want anyone else to have one. Repubs believe in "do as I say not as I do"

On the subject of abortion, you don't agree?

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