It looks like mary rose

The stems are quite upright and straight, makes me think it’s a pink climber of DA?

The new growth on my Gertrude Jekyll is redder than what I am seeing on this plant. See pics below:

I have Mary Rose, here are some pictures. The foliage is new and gets darker with age.

In my garden the fragrance is strong.

The edges of the leaves are serrated,and they are pointed, while the foliage of Gertrude is more round.

My Mary Rose has 5 leaflets while yours has 7.

The thorns on my rose also point downward.

Thanks for the photos. From what I can see, both roses in KS and Altorama’s photos showed red leaf stems but the ones in my photo are all green stems. And Altorama’s Mary Rose also has red (serrated) leaf edges. Are these evidence good enough to rule out Mary and Gertrude? The hard part is Austin has so many pink roses... and they also sell some other roses and OGRs.

I am not sure regarding the red stems, since my rose only just leafed out in the past couple of weeks. Your plant looks a little further along. Any red stems may have turned green, but I am not sure. We will both have to observe the roses for a bit more.

One thing I have found is that bloom form and color are not always a reliable way to ID roses since they can be affected by weather, rose health, age etc. Foliage, bud form, etc are more helpful.

I am inclined to rule out Gertrude based on the shape of the leaflets.

Based on the bloom form & straight, upright canes I think it could be Tess - if the bud developed & opened on the truck or in another dark location, it could have affected the color.

Yesterday I went back to the store and took more photos (in the rainstorm while Tornadoes were hitting south of where I was at LOL). In order to collect more evidence (keep this guessing going haha) and eventually find out what it is, I ended up taking it home. It does have a strong myrrh fragrance. I also saw Mary Rose available in another store just now, the buds are much darker pink. The photos of Mary Rose are in the next post

Here are the Mary Rose photos I took at another store today.

A myrrh fragrance completely rules out Gert -- she has a classic "old rose" damask type scent.

Bishop's Castle...??

Cyndita, I agree with you that the lighting and transportation etc condition can greatly affect the color, size and scent of the blooms. However I took a look at my two Tess, their very rounded leaves made me think the pink rose is probably not Tess.

Here is a pic of my Tess. Can you see the round leaves?

I bought my Tess as a NOID Lowe's reject in 2016. They had gobs of them and the flower for varied incredibly from large to almost daisy-like. However, the colour has never varied much except to get brighter in the sunlight. None of the plants were light pink. Yours reminds me of my NOID light pink Austin, but she has a "classic" rose scent, whereas that of Tess is quite unique. I don't know if it's Myrrh. I'Il try and observe when I get home a bit later if I beat the rain. If not I'll look at some old pics.

The pictures of Mary you just posted look MUCH darker than mine.

I vote for The Mayflower....I have a young one and the blooms look like that and the canes have the same upright growth

Bishop's Castle is fragrant zzz, but I do not have the sense of smell to tell you what kind of fragrance it is. Point of reference, Gertrude Jekyll, to my nose is reminiscent of baby powder...

Noseometer has a great sense of smell, and he grows Bishops Castle too. Maybe he will see this thread. I grow Mary Rose and many Austins. Yours more so reminds me of Bishops Castle.

HMF says the Mayflower is nearly thornless. Is that true?

Desertgarden, my reference of myrrh scent is Bolero. The mystery pink rose smells just like Bolero.

Altorama, I noticed that. I have never raised Mary Rose so I am not sure if darker or lighter a norm. I came across it once about a month ago when I was visiting a rose garden overseas, the Mary Rose there is neither dark as my photo or light as yours; it’s the pink in between...

There were 6 pots of Mary Rose at the store today. All of them are the darker pink.

There's a frill to the blooms and something about the petal edges that I have seen on the Mayflower that I do not see on the image. Color similarity is good. I think as the rose bush grows and re-blooms, it may be easier to determine exactly which rose it is...

I vote for Mayflower also.

I don't remember how thorny she was or was not, but she was quite BS resistant. Bloom was kinda of average "pretty" but nothing to turn heads and make people rave. Re-bloom wasn't very good. One virtue she had--she was always the first rose to bloom in my garden. (We parted ways some time ago, so I'm describing from memory here.)

Gertrude has wonderful blooms, but is very thorny--downright vicious thorns! She also isn't very BS resistant.

Make sure you take pics all summer of your mystery rose--so we can have fun guessing who she is! : )

Kate

Check the leaves too. From what I can see it is inconclusive, however, Bishop's Castle has dark, more rounded leaves whereas that of the Mayflower can be almost long and kind of pointy.

zz - I see what you mean about the leaves, they do look different. And, going back in a storm to collect more evidence & buy the plant is some serious rose dedication! Keep us posted on how it turns out!

Thanks everyone for your input. I do incline to The Mayflower now after seeing your votes and looking up description and photos of David Austin. It did say in one of his books that Mayflower is probably the earliest bloomer among all. The bloom form is so very similar to the photos I can find online. This little rose still in its tiny pot, just off the shelf after long distance of transportation, I'm sure it’s stressed so the blooms don’t reflect the true form. Only after a few more flushes we’ll be able to tell for sure. I’ll certainly keep you all posted.

Here is is another one I need help to identify. There were two “heritage” available at the store, one has pink blooms (looks correct) but the other one has soft yellow deeper cup blooms. I brought both home because I have always wanted Heritage. My question is, can Heritage appear to be soft yellow when under stress or very young? Or it’s another mislabeled rose? If so, what do you think it is?

I don’t grow Heritage myself, but I think it’s way too yellow to be Heritage. Even with the stress of shipping, I’d expect something at least somewhat pink. Could it be Charles Darwin? Lisa

I would guess the yellow rose is Charlotte. I believe the first pink one is Gertrude Jekyll. The foliage, prickles, and flower (deeper pink center) are correct but the fragrance you describe is not. Myrrh, in rose terms, smells like anise - sometimes sharper (Scepter’d Isle) and sometimes sweeter (like black licorice - Tamora has this scent). GJ has a wonderful old rose scent.

I agree that the rose labeled as Mary Rose is also labeled incorrectly. Here is Mary Rose.

Lisa, the yellow tone of the bloom is very muted pale yellow. It is much paler than the Charlotte I have. Charles Darwin has more vivid yellow than Charlotte?

More photos from today of the mystery yellow rose:

Dave, although I incline to Mayflower for the pink rose, one thing that keeps me from totally convinced is the growth habit - very upright and tendency of long branches - in some ways it shouts a climber to me.

I have 3 Charlotte in my garden for two years now. Their bloom form is quite different than the mystery yellow rose, and color wise, more saturated yellow. The Charlotte‘s buds also have orange stripes but this mystery yellow doesn’t.

Charlottes bud

Mystery yellows bud

I think Charles Darwin is a good guess, but you'll have to wait to see how the blooms develop. Ultimately they get even fuller than what your young plant is showing (see above). This rose has extremely variable color -- in this picture it is almost peachy, but it can also be the yellow that you see in pics from David Austin, mustard yellow, or a parchment color. Faded yellow is pretty characteristic of this rose -- the fading actually causes some people to dislike it, but I think it is beautiful. Mine is in a container, so not a great example of what to expect from it when grown well. It is fragrant, but mine is very fragrant at some times and not fragrant at others (variable, like the color).

Zz - the one labeled ‘Mary Rose’ looks like Princess Anne. The bloom (color and shape), buds and leaves look like a match. Are the canes thorny?

Jo

Jo, the canes are very thorny. I am sorry it seemed I caused you confusions. The mystery rose we are having trouble figuring out here are the medium pink rose in the first few photos and the pale yellow rose. The Mary Rose photos are for comparison, not mislabeled.

Here are some more photos I took this morning

KS, I agree Charles Darwin is a very good guess. Yours is so very lovely! I looked up some photos on instagram and feel that I really like the fading character of this rose. The faded yellow looks almost like flax or linen color, so unique and elegant.

Ah, okay. I thought you’d purchased the one labeled Mary Rose, too. But it is incorrectly labeled - it’s not Mary Rose :-)

I feel like I know your pink but it’s eluding me. It’s aggravating!

Jo

Thanks HelloBlondie. The only bloom photo I took was a second-third day bloom - it’s got that faded yellow color. There are three young buds on the bush now and once they opened up I’ll be able to see the color of a first day bloom (supposed to be more saturated yellow) in order to further confirm Charles Darwin ;)

Here is a picture of Graham Thomas, a pretty saturated yellow. I do not remember if the blooms faded or not.

Thanks Altorama. The bloom form looks quite similar, does it? Is Charles darwin supposed to have higher petal count?

I am not sure but just found a picture showing that Graham Thomas does indeed fade.

Also you can see the foliage pretty well here.

Just got this off DA website:

Charles Darwin: broad, spreading growth; 140 petals; strong fragrance.

Graham Thomas: vigorous, upright growth; 45 petals; light fragrance.

A-ha! What I can do next is to pick the bloom apart and count the petals!!!

That is a tough one, as many things can affect petal count, I have found.. I would compare foliage, thorns, and buds.

The pale yellow color reminds me of Wollerton Old Hall, but not the bloom form. WOH has a myrrh scent.