Sanctuary Virtue Signalling- The Dem Version of Thoughts and Prayers

Carro

Some question why Trump might plan on transporting illegals to the sanctuary cities and states which have openly invited illegal migrants with open arms. "Sanctuary for all", as Gavin Newsom of CA said recently.

My question is, "Why didn't they just offer it in the first place?".


Could it be because Democrats are hypocrites and NIMBYism is rampant on the Left?


Democrats are outraged at the thought of Trump providing transportation of illegals to the very parts of America who claim they will take them in. They are calling his proposal "grotesque" and akin to "spreading human pestilence".


Even left-wing Hollywood, Trump-hating Cher said, "Oh, wait! Not here where I live! There are too many homeless Americans we need to take care of first!"


Oh, really? Face it. Trump's trolling the Democrats was brilliant. He got them to reveal their hypocrisy by leaking a plan being bandied about in his office. That's all it took. The rest happened effortlessly, as the Democrats decried how unfair and inhuman it is to let them take care of those huddled masses they claim to love so.


So, thoughts and prayers to the illegals, but don't come to my city, town, state, secured building or gated community!

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patriciae_gw(07)

We are talking about real live human beings here Carro. Using people as a tool to taunt Democrats is hardly brilliant. It is disgusting, inhumane, and offensive.

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

And it's got at least two other threads started about it!

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paprikash

Nothing grotesque about placing migrants where they are wanted

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blfenton

I'm just wondering if internment camps will be next on trumps list. And that is an ugly time in west coast history.

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soupgirl53

Oh no! Another flit away from Cher. She was perfectly good for the arguments made yesterday but now she's a left-wing Hollywood Trump hater. Poor Cher!

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adoptedbyhounds

"Nothing grotesque about placing migrants where they are wanted."

Of course there isn't, paprikash. Every migrant deserves the most welcoming environment possible. California certainly fits that bill, having voluntarily announced just last year that the entire state is now a sanctuary for illegal aliens.

California is a huge, vibrant. progressive state with beautiful weather, sunny beaches, friendly people, (except for the gangs, drugs dealers, etc) and endless opportunities for newcomers. With America's largest illegal alien population already in place, California has social service agencies set up, staffed and ready to meet the needs of every newcomer who wants to call California home. You announce you're a Sanctuary State because you want to get the word out.

President Trump has been listening. We're going to have to put those illegals somewhere. Without even being asked to, California offered sanctuary to all illegal aliens. I hope President Trump will take the state up on its generous offer.


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foodonastump

Kind of like dealing with an unwanted pregnancy by arbitrarily dropping the baby off on a pro lifer’s stoop.

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

I don't like the analogy but you're not wrong FOAS.

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mrskjun(9)

But of course there was no problem when Obama planned to ship thousands of illegals to Sessions home state of Alabama.

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patriciae_gw(07)

California as a sanctuary state means they are bound to uphold the law as to holding people in jail. No illegal holding. No arbitrary searches, that sort of thing. That is some how pernicious and unamerican?

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Rita / Bring Back Sophie 4 Real

These people have to go somewhere, so fine, let them come to California. We'll manage just fine. It's Trump's petty minded spite that galls me.

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margievank

These people have to go somewhere, so fine, let them come to California. We'll manage just fine.

Good, are your doors open for an occupant?

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margaux

The initial need for sanctuary city status was that Trump was deporting people for minor offenses who had been here for years. He was tearing parents away from their children, husbands from their wives. Cities offered sanctuary, which only means that the local police would not turn illegal immigrants over to ICE. It did not mean that these cities would fling open their doors to newly-arrived illegal immigrants, though I'm sure most liberal cities would welcome asylum seekers and help them adjust to living here.

This is just another punitive action by Trump because the West Coast states didn't vote for him and don't support his policies. Get over it, petty little man, and start being president for the entire U.S., not just the red states.

Trump, the President of the New Confederacy.

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Carro

You mean Trump telling all the people who say they're sanctuary to put their money where there mouths are?

If illegal immigration makes for a stronger economy and less crime, why on earth are the SJWs throwing fits?

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

That's been answered lots of times Carro. Do you not believe the answer, or do you just not read it?

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Carro

How is Trump giving sanctuary destinations the illegal migrants they say they desire and will welcome with open arms punishment?

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

Ask him. He's the one who said it is.

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margievank

What an opportunity California has to show us how this socialism could work.

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margaux

I never saw anyone say they want to allow every illegal immigrant in. This has always been about allowing asylum seekers to apply once they cross the border. Sessions tried to treat asylum seekers like criminals. We need to process them humanely. You don't dump them into the states you hate like a big baby who has to get even. You appoint more immigration judges to process the backlog.

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margaux

I think this idea of dumping them in sanctuary cities to get even really illustrates how unfit Trump is to be president.

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katrina_ellen

I never understood liberal virtue signaling until I discovered HT. Its good to know the progressive mind set and what the other half of this country is up against.

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Carro

margie, I agree it was a missed opportunity, but the initial reactions were revealing. So on that level, Trump scored a big point, and that is Democrats are all do as I say, not as I do NIMBYs.

They were angered and defensively spewed invective at the suggestion that asylum seekers live in their neck of the woods.

Bernie Sanders refuses to pay the percentage of taxes he wants the rest of us to pay for his socialist programs.

AOC refuses to take the train when she can fly. Why not lead by example?

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margievank

Just pitiful, now they use the word "dumping"?? What happened to the compassion?

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Carro

Was it dumping when Obama transported migrants all over the U.S.?

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margievank

Plus if any come with viruses, it would be best to have it contained to one area.

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margievank

The good news, lots of help to pick those avocados;)

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margaux

It just proves that he has no viable solutions to most problems and can't even negotiate a solution. So let's get angry instead of working on it.

They want a deterrent and they want to make it hurt for the most vulnerable. That's their whole asylum policy. Sad.

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katrina_ellen

Its all about political gain anyways and everybody knows it. I see how much the progressives "care".

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catkinZ8a


Was it dumping when Obama transported migrants all over the U.S.?

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You mean like in Omar's district which is THE TERROR RECRUITMENT CAPITAL OF THE U.S.?

Move along, nothing to see here.


http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-leads-the-nation-in-would-be-isil-terrorists-from-u-s-report-finds/329942131/



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Carro

Trump and all of Congress have the solutions at their fingertips. Democrats are playing politics with immigration, with dreamers, with DACA and with all those loopholes which migrants are exploiting.

Trump is using everything in his toolbox to fix immigration and I appreciate his never-ceasing pursuit of solutions.

Sending migrants to sanctuary towns in America is an elegant solution.

The border it well over 100% capacity. There's no more room. No mas.

What to do?

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tony jelly

More hyperbole that ignores the facts about terrorism on US soil (not Muslims) or real figure (contained in the report below.)

More than 250 Americans have attempted or succeeded in reaching Syria and Iraq to fight with terrorist groups, intelligence officials estimate. “We have largely failed to stop Americans from traveling overseas to join jihadists,” the task force declared. “A handful of suspects were stopped in other countries, but it appears the majority — 85 percent — still managed to evade American law enforcement on its way to the conflict zone.”

The task force said it could identify only 28 cases in which federal authorities stopped suspects before they left for the Middle East. Eight of those involved Minnesotans who conspired since March 2014 to leave the U.S. for Syria but who were stopped by FBI agents. Those men, all Somali-Americans, are in custody. Three have pleaded guilty in recent weeks to conspiring to join ISIL.

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Ziemia(6a)

Bill Gates seems kinda normal for someone so wealthy. Yet I can't imagine my telling him he can move on in. If he were to really want to move in and gave a large fee for doing so, I might be willing.

However, I did do this (opened up my home) to some youth that were temporarily homeless.

This entire argument about "libs" opening or not opening a personal home to displaced people is totally weird. A lazy thought experiment.

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Ziemia(6a)

ICE is still sending the asylum applicants all over the country.

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Ziemia(6a)

And, I don't see many all up in fear / alarm about asylum applicants being sent into sanctuary cities. I live in one and it's a non-issue.

The issue is using them as tools. That is what offends most.

PS anyone know who Cher speaks for? Who appointed her?

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adoptedbyhounds

"This has always been about allowing asylum seekers to apply once they cross the border."

Nope, the "asylum seekers" massing on our borders to turn themselves are a new phenomenon. Being coached in how to game our system, so you know to bring a kid, claim to be a "family," and say the word "asylum" is the new way to enter the US without having to wait in line like real immigrants do. No more trying to sneak in!

Cities offered sanctuary, which only means that the local police would not turn illegal immigrants over to ICE.

No. Sanctuary means a lot more than that. It means that criminal aliens walk the streets. California won't rat them out to ICE. Better to leave criminals on the street to kill somebody, than hold them for ICE.

It means San Francisco chose to protect an illegal alien felon rather than law abiding Kate Steinle, who just wanted to go for a walk with her dad. Her murderer should have been locked up every time he re entered the country because every time he came back, it was another felony. At least 7 felony counts just from re entry after deportation. Why the hell wasn't he in jail?

Sanctuary means legal immigrant Corporal Ronal Singh had to die at the hands of an illegal alien felon, because he was in California, thanks to California's refusal to help ICE. There are consequences to state sponsored negligence, and California's politicians have blood on their hands.

California WANTS illegal aliens to feel safe, and not worry about being in the US illegally. What an achievement. As many have reminded us, immigration is a FEDERAL responsibility. It would be heartwarming to see the FEDS reminding California that immigration is a Federal responsibility.

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

" It would be heartwarming to see the FEDS reminding California that immigration is a Federal responsibility."

Wouldn't it though? What's the best way to go about that do you think?

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Rita / Bring Back Sophie 4 Real

WRT the facetious question about whether or not I would personally open my home to migrants, the serious answer is yes. I have already in the past, so I see no problem with doing it going forward. I am fortunate to have extra space, that was not always the case.

My church assists immigrants. It's a service project my church has embraced since before I joined it 20 years ago. I volunteer my time and treasure to this mission.

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Louise McCarthy

Thank you Rita. I struggle with posting what I have done over my years in this country. Currently there is not much that I can do. I really wish I could. So thank you for everything you do!

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chase_gw

What is so shallow and hypocritical about this call to " ship" the migrants to sanctuary cities is that it will accomplish what the Trump supports complain about the most........the migrants will disappear into the fabric of American society. It's " catch and release" on steroids.

Be careful what you ask for you may get it.

That aside, some of the Mayor's have already said they would welcome some of the migrants...of course the cost to house and feed them would remain a federal cost.

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cait1

@ margaux

The initial need for sanctuary city status was that Trump was deporting people for minor offenses who had been here for years.

ROFL

That is really good spin! ROFL

So Trump was deporting illegal aliens who had spent years in jail in American cities!

I find it really funny that 'time spent in jail' is being transformed into 'time spent in America' as if they did so honestly and as per the law.

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margaux

You need to get up to date on who Trump is arresting and deporting.

On Friday, agency officials called the increases a result of an executive order by President Trump to rescind an earlier policy that prioritized the arrests and deportations of foreigners who had criminal records, or those who posed a threat to public safety.

The new policy, which Mr. Trump signed in early 2017, is not selective about which illegal immigrants should be arrested or deported first.

Critics said the stepped up enforcement has led to the arrest of undocumented immigrants for minor violations, or who pose no security threat.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has been widely criticized for arresting parents as they dropped off children at school and for raiding businesses, including a nationwide sweep of 7-Eleven stores that resulted in charges against fewer than two dozen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/14/us/politics/illegal-immigrant-arrests-deportations-rise.html

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catkinZ8a

chase_gw

That aside, some of the Mayor's have already said they would welcome some of the migrants...of course the cost to house and feed them would remain a federal cost.

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Texas border mayor begs for relief: ‘We’re tired … we don’t want to go through this anymore’

April 16, 2019


A Democratic mayor in a Texas border town is “sick” of being caught in the middle of the political “blame game” being played by Washington, D.C. lawmakers.

We’re in the crossfire of both Democrats, Republicans, the president,” Saenz said at the April 4 meeting. “To be honest with you, I’m sick of it — you know, the blame game — I’m sick of it.”

“We’re tired,” the mayor stated.

“We don’t want to go through this anymore,” he added, telling district representative and senators that “real lives are being impacted down here.”

“We know what the solutions are,” he continued. “But, there’s no political will — this gaming, this back and forth — at our expense.”

The city had asked the government to carry out “immigration reform” in a letter sent to Washington, Laredo Fire Chief Steve Landin said following the mayor’s remarks.

“I told the congressman today, ‘you guys, over there, need to get your act together and get both parties together and come up with some laws that are going to try to minimize all these asylum claims,” Landin said.


https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/04/16/texas-border-mayor-begs-for-relief-were-tired-we-dont-want-to-go-through-this-anymore-745139

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Tilly Teabag

With climate change this is all bandaids. Immigration from equator countries is only going to get worse.

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chase_gw

So much for Trump and his threats to release migrants to sanctuary cities.

Yesterday Barr overruled the immigration courts making it legal for custms and border to detain asylum seekers even after they have been granted temporary status by an immigration judge .....making it legal to detain them until the final hearing.

Evidently immigration courts fall under the DOJ not the judiciary.

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adoptedbyhounds

"Be careful what you ask for you may get it."

Isn't that the truth, Chase?

It's often said, "If you build it, they will come."

No doubt, that's what California was thinking when it went the extra mile and selflessly designated itself a sanctuary state!

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Kitchenwitch111

I just signed up here:

http://www.roomforrefugees.com/

It's a UK organization working with US organizations that is putting together a data base of people offering rooms in their homes for refugees. I have a spare room with an attached full bath, near public transportation in a very diverse, educated area. I would be happy to share my home with someone who is escaping danger in their home country.

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margaux

Before spouting off, educate yourselves about what the designation of sanctuary state or city means. It does not mean that anybody can come here and we will offer you sanctuary. This is not some simplistic Quasimodo version of sanctuary.

Here's some discussion on California's law.

https://www.politifact.com/california/article/2018/aug/01/separating-fact-fiction-californias-sanctuary-stat/

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chase_gw

Margaux, adopted is very smart. She knew exactly what the designation means she prefers her own definition. Beware the rabbit hole.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Thank you, Margaux.

We've been explaining for years what "sanctuary city" means in Los Angeles, and those explanations are willfully ignored.

LAPD's don't-ask policy goes back to 1979.

Under let's-beat-'em-up LAPD Chief Daryl Gates.

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adoptedbyhounds

"It does not mean that anybody can come here and we will offer you sanctuary."

So which illegal aliens aren't welcome in California?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Undocumented immigrants come to California because they find work here.

You could say that employers welcome all immigrants, no matter their status.

Rather than demanding that the LAPD do the work of federal immigration agents, let the Feds go after employers of undocumented workers.

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chase_gw

If you think there is a problem on the border now wait until the migrants get wind of the fact that after their preliminary hearing they will not only be released but transported, at government expense, to sanctuary cities.

Trump , and apparently many of his supporters, seem incapable of thinking these things through to their logical conclusions. Right up there with the notion of closing the border and those who thought that was genius.......go for it Trump!

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adoptedbyhounds

Nancy, You haven't told me which illegal aliens aren't welcome in California.

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Chi

I don't mind having undocumented immigrants as my neighbors. All of the ones I've known are lovely, lovely people. I do mind Trump using them as political pawns in his stupid game.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

How does one tell who is undocumented -- presume if a foreign language is heard, immigration status is in doubt?

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"No human being is illegal."

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Personal note: Those persons who I have personally known that were without legal status would be the among the last to be suspected as undocumented by the average Jane/Joe.

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adoptedbyhounds

"How does one tell who is undocumented -- presume if a foreign language is heard, immigration status is in doubt?"

I have no idea, Nancy. It was you who wrote:

"Thank you, Margaux. We've been explaining for years what "sanctuary city" means in Los Angeles, and those explanations are willfully ignored."

It was Margaux who told us what sanctuary doesn't mean:

"It does not mean that anybody can come here and we will offer you sanctuary."

I'm just trying to understand how that works. I wasn't aware California "offers" sanctuary only to some illegals. Can you explain how that works? What happens to those who aren't "offered" sanctuary? California can't remove them, right? Because immigration is a Federal responsibility. So which illegals get turned over to ICE?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

As has been explained dozens of time, "sanctuary" means that the LAPD does not randomly question the immigration status of law-abiding residents.

If an undocumented person is arrested for a serious crime, that person is referred to federal authorities.

Also, law enforcement will not detain a person scheduled for release beyond the legal time period just so that a federal agent may question them.


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adoptedbyhounds

"If an undocumented person is arrested for a serious crime, that person is referred to federal authorities."

What does "referred to federal authorities" mean? Turned over to ICE?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Immigration is notified.

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margaux

Here's some good advice, Nancy....

chase_gw

Margaux, adopted is very smart. She knew exactly what the designation means she prefers her own definition. Beware the rabbit hole.

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Ziemia(6a)

ABH: No. Sanctuary means a lot more than that. It means that criminal aliens ...

Nope. Gross mischaracterization

Are you really interested in what it means?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Margaux, I know, I know.

But for those who might be reading, and might be taken in by Trump & Co's false narrative . . .

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catkinZ8a

It means that The Socialist Democrat Party is basically irretrievably fractured.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

If only there were a socialist party in the US!

(Peace and Freedom Party is only in California, not nationwide.)

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tony jelly

The Socialist Democrat Party. Que?

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adoptedbyhounds

"If an undocumented person is arrested for a serious crime, that person is referred to federal authorities."

"What does "referred to federal authorities" mean?"

"Immigration is notified."

And the illegal alien remains in custody, and is turned over to ICE?

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lurker111

Let's not forget...

"Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf is warning illegal aliens of potential
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids taking place in the San
Francisco Bay Area. Schaaf told KRON that credible sources told her that
ICE would conduct a sweep of the area, adding that she is sharing the
information to protect people."

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Undocumented residents will not report crimes to law enforcement if they fear that their immigration status will lead them to harm. Therefore LAPD's Special Order 40 -- no questioning immigration stays of LA residents who are obeying the law. Since 1979.

The warning by Oakland's mayor is in line with the policy of having residents trust local government and law enforcement.

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adoptedbyhounds

Hi Nancy,

I'm trying to follow the steps California takes when processing an illegal alien arrested for a serious crime. After the arrest you say

"Immigration is notified."

What happens after that? Is the illegal alien held for ICE?


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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Nik, I have posted several articles explaining how LA law enforcement responds to undocumented residents who commit serious crimes. You can easily find the information online.

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adoptedbyhounds

Margaux, I know, I know.

But for those who might be reading, and might be taken in by Trump & Co's false narrative . . .

Nancy, the way to expose a false narrative is to correct it. I've asked for your help in understanding how California applies it's new law, and at first you were willing to explain. I've bolded your responses.

"If an undocumented person is arrested for a serious crime, that person is referred to federal authorities."

What does "referred to federal authorities" mean? Turned over to ICE?

"Immigration is notified."

And the illegal alien remains in custody, and is turned over to ICE?

Undocumented residents will not report crimes to law enforcement if they fear that their immigration status will lead them to harm. Therefore LAPD's Special Order 40 -- no questioning immigration stays of LA residents who are obeying the law. Since 1979.

The warning by Oakland's mayor is in line with the policy of having residents trust local government and law enforcement.

I'm trying to follow the steps California takes when processing an illegal alien arrested for a serious crime. After the arrest you say "Immigration is notified."

What happens after that? Is the illegal alien held for ICE?

Nik, I have posted several articles explaining how LA law enforcement responds to undocumented residents who commit serious crimes. You can easily find the information online.

Thank you for that, Nancy. However, California is now a sanctuary state, so there's a different law for the entire state. You've alluded to a "false narrative" but have yet to explain how asking questions you can answer correctly is me promoting a false narrative.

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Rita / Bring Back Sophie 4 Real

Louise McCarthy, please no need to thank me at all. We all do what we can, when we can.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Nik, the LAT has had articles on the state law, some of which I have already posted.

If there were a genuine interest in the subject, critics would have already read about California's and Los Angeles' procedures.


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adoptedbyhounds

"Nik, the LAT has had articles on the state law, some of which I have already posted."

Thank you for that, Nancy. However, California is now a sanctuary state, so there's a different law for the entire state. You've alluded to a "false narrative" but have yet to explain how asking questions you can answer correctly is me promoting a false narrative. Why not correct me?

I don't have a subscription to the LA Times, and my freebies are all used up.

I'm trying to follow the steps California takes when processing an illegal alien arrested for a serious crime. After the arrest you say

"Immigration is notified."

What happens after that? Is the illegal alien held for ICE?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Nik, there are other sources besides the LAT, and you can always access articles in "private" mode.

Please remember that I am not your personal research assistant.

Have a good day.

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Ziemia(6a)

About California's sanctuary law: probably answers to many questions can be found in the court documents and related testimony connected to the recent federal court case...

Federal Appeals Panel Upholds California 'Sanctuary State' Law

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/18/714882333/federal-appeals-panel-upholds-california-sanctuary-state-law

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adoptedbyhounds

"Federal Appeals Panel Upholds California 'Sanctuary State' Law"

No surprise there. California's politicians and judges have their priorities, and protecting victims from violent illegal aliens isn't one of them. Learn more in the article linked below.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/272403/how-two-gustavos-used-californias-sanctuary-state-daniel-greenfield


"Please remember that I am not your personal research assistant."

Nancy, I'm not asking you to research anything for me. You and another poster both entered a discussion about Sanctuary Cities, and both of you claim I don't understand what it means to be a sanctuary state or city.

I'm perfectly willing to be corrected by either of you. What in this thread have I gotten wrong? Your refusal to tell us what happens after an illegal alien gets arrested for a serious crime tells me Sheriff Mike Boudreaux (quoted in the above linked article) has the goods on SB 54. I can understand why you're unwilling to come out and confirm the awful truth.

"Before SB 54, Gustavo Garcia would have been turned over to ICE
officials. That’s how we’ve always done it, day in and day out. After SB
54, we no longer have the power to do that," Sheriff Mike Boudreaux said.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Nik, please use neutral sources, not the usual far right blogs that you favor, if you sincerely want to understand the process.

If you are looking for bias confirmation, why not be state so and save everyone time and effort.

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