A Guide to Basic Differences Between Left and Right

kaych

A Guide to Basic Differences Between Left and Right



  • Which ones, if any do you disagree with? Why?
  • Can you add to the list?

(They're numbered for reference purposes only.)


1. Source of Human Rights

Left: government

Right: the Creator


2. Human Nature

Left: basically good (Therefore, society is primarily responsible for evil.)

Right: not basically good (Therefore, the individual is primarily responsible for evil.)


3. Economic Goal

Left: equality

Right: prosperity


4. Primary Role of the State

Left: increase and protect equality

Right: increase and protect liberty


4. Government

Left: as large as possible

Right: as small as possible


5. Family Ideal

Left: any loving unit of people

Right: a married father and mother, and children


6. Guiding Trinity

Left: race, gender and class

Right: liberty, In God We Trust and e pluribus unum


7. Good and Evil

Left: relative to individual and/or society

Right: based on universal absolutes


8. Humanity’s Primary Division(s)

Left: rich and poor; strong and weak

Right: good and evil


9. Ideal Primary Identity of an American

Left: world citizen

Right: American citizen


10. How to Make a Good Society

Left: abolish inequality

Right: develop each citizen’s moral character


11. View of America

Left: profoundly morally flawed; inferior to any number of European countries

Right: greatest force for good among nations in world history


12. Gender

Left: a social construct

Right: male and female


13. Most Important Trait to Cultivate in a Child

Left: self-esteem

Right: self-control


14. Worth of the Human Fetus

Left: determined by the mother

Right: determined by society rooted in Judeo-Christian values


15. Primary Source of Crime

Left: poverty, racism and other societal flaws

Right: the criminal’s malfunctioning conscience


16. Place of God and Religion in America

Left: secular government and secular society

Right: secular government and religious society


17. American Exceptionalism

Left: chauvinistic doctrine

Right: historical reality


18. Greatest Threat to the World

Left: environmental catastrophe (currently global warming)

Right: evil (currently radical Islamist violence)


19. International Ideal

Left: world governed by the United Nations, and no single country is dominant

Right: world in which America is the single strongest entity


20. Primary Reason for Lack of Peace in Middle East

Left: Israeli settlements in the West Bank

Right: Palestinian, Arab and Muslim denial of Jewish state’s right to exist


21. Purpose of Art

Left: challenge status quo and bourgeois sensibilities

Right: produce works of beauty and profundity to elevate the individual and society


22. Guns

Left: ideally universally abolished, except for use by police, the armed forces and registered sportsmen

Right: ideally widely owned by responsible individuals for self-protection and the protection of others


23. Race

Left: intrinsically significant

Right: intrinsically insignificant


24. Racial, Ethnic and Gender Diversity at Universities

Left: most important

Right: far less important than ideological diversity


25. Black America’s Primary Problem

Left: racism

Right: lack of fathers


26. Greatest Playwright

Left: entirely subjective; there is no greatest playwright

Right: Shakespeare


27. War

Left: not the answer

Right: sometimes the only answer


28. Hate

Left: wrong, except when directed at the political

Right: wrong, except when directed at evil


29. Cultures

Left: all equal

Right: some are better than others


30. America’s Founding Fathers

Left: rich white male slave owners

Right: great men who founded the greatest society


31. Purpose of Judges

Left: pursue social justice

Right: pursue justice


32. National Borders

Left: a relic of the past

Right: indispensable for national survival


33. View of Illegal Immigrants

Left: welcomed guests

Right: illegal immigrants


34. Nature

Left: intrinsically valuable

Right: made for man


These were posted in January 2017 here:

https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2017/01/17/a-guide-to-basic-differences-between-left-and-right-n2271475

and here:

https://www.dennisprager.com/a-guide-to-basic-differences-between-left-and-right/?highlight=40%20things%20the%20left

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tony jelly

First tenet of modern society and its politics: the separation of church and state.

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kaych

Are you are able (doubtful as evidenced so far) to show some maturity & share your thoughts on the questions asked?

  • Which ones, if any do you disagree with? Why?
  • Can you add to the list?
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tony jelly

kaych, the list is ridiculous, sorry to be so blunt. Therefore you must not expect any answers that toe your line.

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Chi

The whole list is incredibly biased. Considering the sources, that's not surprising.

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kaych

26. Greatest Playwright

Left: entirely subjective; there is no greatest playwright

Right: Shakespeare

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I have to agree with the left that the greatest playwright is entirely subjective. (Unlike the greatest nonfiction book ever written, which is not the least bit subjective... The Book otherwise known as The Bible.)

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Chi

The whole thing reads like it's impossible for Democrats to be Christian, which is silly.

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mrskjun(9)

You are right Chi. Some of the most wonderful Christians I know are also democrats. But for those who aren't Christian, they are most likely to be democrats.

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gyr_falcon(Sunset 23)

Chi, you read the WHOLE THING????

The request was for essay answers (Which ones, if any do you disagree with? Why?) for clearly, slanted phrase fragments. They lost me at about #2.

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Chi

I did! I made a lot of different facial expressions but I read them all!

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gyr_falcon(Sunset 23)

Chi, at least you got a facial muscle workout out of it. ;)

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ubro(2a)

Well #32 is silly, I am even left of left, as well as many of my friends, and we want boarders, we want controlled immigration, so IMO that one was bias drivel.

#31 again drivel


I am working from the bottom up, simply because I decided to SOB and got drawn in but I stopped at #28


The whole OP is actually quite humorous and seems to put those on the right on some moral high-ground and the rest of us are beneath.

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Mimou-GW

Good and evil? Moral character? Self control? Trump??

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tryingtounderstand

Many of these questions, make sense for arguments on either side. A little bit of both is the correct answer, IMHO. So, here is a scenario

Town building a community centre, design and budget all set. Upon reviewing design, someone noted there needs to be xtra washrooms and the money needs to come from other aspects of the design. Big debate ensues, some say nope, not needed, others insist the opposite. Which side are you on?

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Kathy

Lol.....confirmation bias?

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arthurm2015(Micro-Climate, Zone 10b Sydney, Australia)

Why are politics so tribal in Good old USA? The list of questions is the help you decide which tribe you belong to and if the poster could convince you to join her tribe that would make her/his day.

There is the old theme about the person that you would least like to be stuck on a desert Island with. Wonder who that could be?

There is an election here on Saturday for the Government of State of NSW. Voting is compulsory and because I do not hate either of the main left/right political tribes, I could vote for either party. Politics in Stralia is not as much a blood sport as over there.

Edited a tiny bit.

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Ziemia(6a)

The list is biased. #1, right off, reveals the bias.


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cait1

1. Source of Human Rights

Left: government

Right: the Creator

and I'll add 'nature' as we are natural creatures

Americas founding document clearly states where our rights come from, so anyone who thinks otherwise, IMO, does not believe in America because he/she rejects its founding principles. Politicians who try to usurp our natural rights through legislation are reneging on their oaths of office and are therefore traitors and should be dealt with accordingly.

@ tony

First tenet of modern society and its politics: the separation of church and state.

SCOTUS needs to go back and rule on separation of mosque and state, or does the left condone this?

New Jersey School District Teaches Islam But Cens ors Christianity


"... her son's fourth grade PowerPoint presentation from years ago was shut
down because it briefly cited a line from the Bible in advertising for
his efforts to gather gloves and hats for poor children...


However, this same standard apparently does not apply to Islam, as Gayer
pointed out that her son is being taught about the intricacies of the
religion in a seventh grade class at Chatham Middle School, including being shown a video explaining the Five
Pillars of Islam that featured lines like "Allah is the creator of
everything, the one true God."...


Another mother, Libby Hilsenrath, echoed Gayers' sentiments, pointing
out that the seventh grade class went into detail about the various
aspects of Islam, but did not teach Judaism and Christianity. She also
brought forth further course material that could be seen as
proselytizing for Islam, which included a video providing an
introduction to Islam that quoted excerpts from the Koran such as "And
they say: Be Jews and Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say
(unto them, O Muhammed) Nay, but (we follow) the religion of Abraham,
the upright, and he was not of the idolators"... "


https://www.dailywire.com/news/13698/new-jersey-school-district-teaches-islam-censors-aaron-bandler



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kaych

OK, I get it that most here that are on the left do not see the differences as those on the right do. So why not take one (or 2 or more) & show us how you see the differences? Surely you are aware there are differences, so are you able to articulate them in a few words or a short sentence?

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cait1

1. Source of Human Rights

Left: government

Right: the Creator

and I'll add 'nature' as we are natural creatures

But doesn't the word "Creator" encompass "nature" as well, without the need to add it?

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Ziemia(6a)

This ↓↓ is a fake assessment:

33. View of Illegal Immigrants

Left: welcomed guests

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margievank

I agree with #3.

Left: equality = socialism

Right: Prosperity= capitalism

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ubro(2a)

Prosperity for 1%= capitalism

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kaych

4. Primary Role of the State

Left: increase and protect equality

Right: increase and protect liberty

I agree with this & the proof to me is that the left seems to on a very frequent basis want to take away our freedoms; human life, religious freedom, freedom of speech through censorship, boycotts, & right to speak (whether on social media, at colleges, & has even seeped into recent congressional hearings) rights to gun ownership that 'shall not be infringed'. These freedoms, along with others, have always been at the top of my list when I consider who to vote for.

I'd like to add that I also believe that the left believes that the government should be the cornerstone of the society whereas the right IMO believes that the family should take that prominent role.

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Ziemia(6a)

This ↓↓ is a fake assessment:

33. View of Illegal Immigrants

So how do you characterize the differences?

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Ziemia(6a)

I've said it countless times here the last many months. If you haven't 'heard' me yet then I have little expectation for a change here and now

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kaych

LoL!!!!

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Annie Deighnaugh

The list...and I read it all...is ridiculous....there's so much that is misstated, misunderstood or simply wrong about both the left and the right.

The contradictions alone within the "right" classifications are notable, such as wanting 'ideological diversity' in universities, yet viewing everything through a judeo-christian (or I would argue just christian) lens of good and evil. I am especially troubled by the "hate" one as it would seem to be a justification for hating people for political purposes simply by defining their politics as evil, which we've seen so many on the right do. Especially since I don't recall *hate* being a value in any of JC's teachings I don't see how this meshes with the other points. Holding up liberty as part of the trinity of values and wanting to minimize government, while wanting to define and enforce government jurisdiction over a woman's body, a person's gender identity, and how people choose to live happily together is an outstanding contradiction. And this 'self-control' ideal? We don't need to deprive you of your liberty if we can get you to deprive yourself of it first, eh?

Other points are not mutually exclusive...we can have greater equality with increased prosperity for all...crime is caused by *both* societal flaws as well as the failings of the individual criminal...the founding fathers were rich white male slave owners who were also great men who created an outstanding form of government...

Other points are simply wrong about the left. I don't know anyone who wants govt as big as possible, or thinks borders are a relic of the past. I think it's simply wrong to assign "war is not the answer" to the left when it was FDR who got us into WWII, Truman who got us into korea, and JFK and LBJ who ramped us up in vietnam.

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palisades_

What a list to highlight some of the most myopic and extremist views. Would not be a guide for me.

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Tilly Teabag

I do see a lot of these differences in debates both on Hot Topics and other sites. Also seen in politics generally.

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lily12

Well, geeze, I really AM a leftie. This sure proves it.

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Kitchenwitch111

The basic difference as I see it:

Right = the party of Me

Left = the party of We

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tony jelly

If you start from the premise that everything in life has just two options. A right or left, or right or wrong, and then you ask us to decide which side of this divide we stand on by agreeing or disagreeing with your list. The bias in the list is apparent as well as inaccurate, so I don't know what is to be gained here.

Here is a list of human right, as an example of the simplistic nature of your no 1.

Sorry I cut and pasted a list but it comes out like this



Article 1Right to Equality

Article 2Freedom from Discrimination

Article 3Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security

Article 4Freedom from SlaveryArticle 5Freedom from Torture and Degrading TreatmentArticle 6Right to Recognition as a Person before the LawArticle 7Right to Equality before the LawArticle 8Right to Remedy by Competent TribunalArticle 9Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and ExileArticle 10Right to Fair Public HearingArticle 11Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven GuiltyArticle 12Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and CorrespondenceArticle 13Right to Free Movement in and out of the CountryArticle 14Right to Asylum in other Countries from PersecutionArticle 15Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change ItArticle 16Right to Marriage and FamilyArticle 17Right to Own PropertyArticle 18Freedom of Belief and ReligionArticle 19Freedom of Opinion and InformationArticle 20Right of Peaceful Assembly and AssociationArticle 21Right to Participate in Government and in Free ElectionsArticle 22Right to Social SecurityArticle 23Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade UnionsArticle 24Right to Rest and LeisureArticle 25Right to Adequate Living StandardArticle 26Right to EducationArticle 27Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of CommunityArticle 28Right to a Social Order that Articulates this DocumentArticle 29Community Duties Essential to Free and Full DevelopmentArticle 30Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights

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katrina_ellen

#30 was just proven yesterday on a thread. I would say there is more truth to that than there isn't. All you have to do is read HT for a couple days to see it in action.

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tony jelly

Katrina, what you say is that although Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights, is a human right unless this is reinforced in some way humans do not necessarily take to it naturally. Meaning that there was no creator who loaded us with this quality.

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mrskjun(9)

capitalism is prosperity for anyone who chooses to put in the work.

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tony jelly

mythology

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bob_cville

at least that is the theory, in practice not so much

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linaria_gw(zone 7 (about))

capitalism is prosperity for anyone who chooses to put in the work.

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or who get some millions from daddy


or


gets a place at a snotty high end university from momy and daddy


or


get a leg up with the first job because daddy has connections.....


should I go on?


biggest myth ever, the playing field is NOT level

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margievank

Where is it written life is fair? Some wealthy people have other problems.

If you have good health, would you trade it for wealth?

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margievank

Even if the playing field was level, would the people on the playing field all have the same drive, and passion?

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tony jelly

There are women in some parts of our world who work all day long, gathering wood that they carry on their head, water too from a distant well. They make flour from grain and take care of the family, all backbreaking WORK. They live in a part of the world that has had their natural resources stolen by Capitalists and are starving because Capitalist driven climate change has created drought and famine. So no the playing field is not level.

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ubro(2a)

It is not just about drive and passion, it is also about opportunity, luck, and timing. Malcolm Gladwell's book 'David and Goliath' is a good read.

Sure drive plays a part, but so does where you were born in this world, to which family, and during which times. Even good health can be a roll of the dice, which is also easier to handle if you have sufficient finances.

Drive is not something you can teach. There are children from more affluent families who are lazy and lack drive and yet they still are viewed as successful, why is that? Because they have the financial backing and personal connections to get into good schools, get good jobs and keep their jobs despite being lazy.

No, life is not fair and I don't think that all 'rich' people are bad, or don't have problems. But if you are one of the more fortunate, looking down on people who are not, and assuming they are all struggling because they are lazy is ignoring the influence your own 'luck' has played in your success.

ETA my use of you is not directed at any particular person.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

What a nice long list of highly subjective opinion, that is easily summed up as "my in-group is clearly superior and better"

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cait1

@ Kay

But doesn't the word "Creator" encompass "nature" as well, without the need to add it?

The use of the word 'Creator' is like saying God and you can't talk religion in schools so if you talk 'nature', which all the climate hopey changey glowbull warming loons say they love, and teach about nature and how we can observe what happens naturally - like how it natural that a bird will defend its territory, you can easily move towards teaching about 'natural rights' to counter the SJW/Statist indoctrination.

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Becca Reese

"glowbull", lol.

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Dinosaurs congratulating each other on their clever denial of the oncoming cataclysm?

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ubro(2a)

1. Source of Human Rights

Left: government

Right: the Creator

I cannot count how many FRW people I know that do not believe in a creator at all, nada, total atheists. They are the ones that voted to remove prayer in schools, they speak out against religious schools getting govt. funding, they want churches to pay taxes and on and on.

Black and white scenarios no room for grey.


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artemis_ma

Was going to say just what Ubro said.

AND there are a lot on the left who say The Creator, too.


Anyhow, this dichotomy list is way way too simplistic to be useful.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

The list is supporters of theocracy versus the rest of us.

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Current Resident(z4 WI)

These are just a ridiculous set of either-or positions.

One true distinction not mentioned here is that left tends to be more nuanced in its thinking, views things in shades of gray, while right tends to be highly polarized, either-or in its thinking.Lots of articles out there about scientific studies that have looked at differences in brains of conservatives and liberals.

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artemis_ma

this whole thing is a bit All or
None for me, but I've made a general stab at the list.

1. Source of Human Rights

Left:
Depends on which rights we are talking about. And to WHOM one talks with.

Right:
Depends on which rights we are talking about. And to WHOM one talks with.

Me:
Just general common decency. Sort of Do Unto Others As You'd Have Them Do
Unto You.


2. Human Nature

Left:
basically good (Therefore, society is primarily responsible for evil.)

Right: not
basically good (Therefore, the individual is primarily responsible for evil.)

Me:
The ole nurture vs nature thing. I think human nature and potential has elements of
both things in its makeup. No "primary" about it.


3. Economic Goal

Left:
equality

Right:
prosperity

There are
some nuances lacking here.

Me:
Prosperity without backstabbing others on the way to economic aims. And a willingness to assist others along the way.


4. Primary Role of the State

Left:
increase and protect equality

Right:
increase and protect liberty

Maybe.
Again, nuances are lacking here.

Me:
I want my pie and to eat it, too. Okay, without being silly, I really
think we can protect both equality AND liberty.

5. Family Ideal

Left: any
loving unit of people

Right: a
married father and mother, and children

Me: I'm with the Left on that.


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6. Guiding Trinity

Left:
race, gender and class

Right:
liberty, In God We Trust and e pluribus unum

Again, In
God We Trust is not a value for a lot of RWs. I also don't think that a
Left guiding trinity is distilled down to race, gender and class. Many of
the Left want freedom and liberty, too. And believe in God.

Me:
I'm trying to distill my core trinity down to three words, I'll come back and
edit this post later, should it happen. Don't hold your breath.


7. Good and Evil

Left:
relative to individual and/or society

Right:
based on universal absolutes

Of course,
for many in the RW or LW, there's always that desire to satisfy
"convenience". As in so many people on the Right giving Trump
the slack. So I seriously doubt Trumpists on the right are invested in universal absolutes.

Me: I skew
left on that, but not entirely.


8. Humanity’s Primary Division(s)

Left: rich
and poor; strong and weak

Right:
good and evil

This is a
pretty superficial assessment. Not going here further.

9. Ideal Primary Identity
of an American

Left:
world citizen

Right:
American citizen

Me: A
student of history.


10. How to Make a Good Society

Left:
abolish inequality

Right:
develop each citizen’s moral character

Shallow interpretations above.

Me:
develop ethical character. Teach a man to fish... Education is paramount.

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artemis_ma

11. View of America

Left: profoundly morally flawed;
inferior to any number of European countries

Right: greatest force for good among
nations in world history

Me: Somewhere realistic in
between.


12. Gender

Left: a social construct

Right: male and female

Me: Male and female with a few
babies who are born intersex. Also, it's not mine to say so and so
shouldn't switch their gender alignment should they really feel the need - part
of my belief in liberty of people to do things that I personally
may not understand. Not my job.

13. Most Important Trait to Cultivate
in a Child

Left: self-esteem

Right: self-control

Ahem, I think many of either LW or RW
background aren't going to be so simplistic to want to cultivate one attribute
at the expense of the other. Positive self esteem will lead to good self-control, AND vice versa. Notice the word "positive".

Me: The absolute need for BOTH of the
above. They create each other.


14. Worth of the Human Fetus

Left: determined by the mother

Right: determined by society rooted
in Judeo-Christian values

Again, not all RW's are
Judeo/Christian. Indeed, some are NOT opposed to abortion.

Me: I am essentially opposed to
abortion unless for medical reasons, or because of rape. (I also believe
that the Morning After Pill is acceptable.) This is rooted for me NOT in
Judeo-Christian values but in my Pagan values. It's complicated. And I'm not going to condemn anyone for having different values in this regard, even should I disagree.


15. Primary Source of Crime

Left: poverty, racism and other
societal flaws

Right: the criminal’s malfunctioning
conscience

Me, and a lot of people on L or
R: It's complicated. There's factors of each. Nature vs
nurture again.


16. Place of God and Religion in America

Left: secular government and secular
society

Right: secular government and
religious society

Me: Yeah, I want my government to be
secular. I have my own religion thank you, I don't want you imposing
yours on ME or on anyone else. Our Founding Fathers were extremely wise
that way. Liberty, anyone??? I think there are places for religious societies, PLURAL, and secular expression as well.

17. American Exceptionalism

Left: chauvinistic doctrine

Right: historical reality

Me: We are exceptional, but sometimes
we let it go to our heads so a dose of real historical reality is a good thing.


18. Greatest Threat to the World

Left: environmental catastrophe
(currently global warming)

Right: evil (currently radical
Islamist violence)

Me: why we have to focus on ONE
greatest threat is beyond me.


19. International Ideal

Left: world governed by the United
Nations, and no single country is dominant

Right: world in which America is the
single strongest entity

Me: a world where America stands
strong, but realizes that places like China are doing their best to catch
up. I don't want the world governed by the UN, but I think that body has
a purpose in furthering communication and in performing various tasks.


20. Primary Reason for Lack of Peace in
Middle East

Left: Israeli settlements in the West
Bank

Right: Palestinian, Arab and Muslim
denial of Jewish state’s right to exist

Me: Oh, dear, this would take
several pages of essay.

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21. Purpose of Art

Left: challenge status quo and
bourgeois sensibilities

Right: produce works of beauty and
profundity to elevate the individual and society

Me: depends on the artist's needs.


22. Guns

Left: ideally universally abolished,
except for use by police, the armed forces and registered sportsmen

Right: ideally widely owned by
responsible individuals for self-protection and the protection of others

I know LW people who have guns, and RW people who want them essentially abolished in most cases. Simplistic again.


23. Race

Left: intrinsically significant

Right: intrinsically insignificant

Oh, and the KKK thinks race is
insignificant??? Riiight….

In an ideal world, it should be
insignificant. We aren't there yet.


24. Racial, Ethnic and Gender Diversity at
Universities

Left: most important

Right: far less important than
ideological diversity

Me: both racial, ethnic, gender AND
ideological diversity is important at universities. In fact by having the
first three, you are guaranteed to have some level of ideological
diversity. In an educational system, having all sorts of viewpoints and
backgrounds is essential for mental growth. Yes, and while we are about
it, I'd encourage students to take courses in LOGIC.

25. Black America’s Primary Problem

Left: racism

Right: lack of fathers

Me: some of each and some of
other factors.


26. Greatest Playwright

Left: entirely subjective; there is
no greatest playwright

Right: Shakespeare

Me: I probably have more
Shakespeare in this home than works from any other playwright. If he's
not the best, he's up there in the running.


27. War

Left: not the answer

Right: sometimes the only answer

Sometimes, I've noticed, left leaning
politicians have gotten us into wars.

Me: At any rate, yes, sometimes
it is the only answer. Never to go into lightly.


28. Hate

Left: wrong, except when directed at
the political

Right: wrong, except when directed at
evil

Again very simplistic, and really not
true.

Me: the only person alive in my
lifetime that I have hated was Osama bin Laden. Fortunately, he's gone
now. I've disliked things and people, and have been disgusted by things
and people but that's different than true hate.

29. Cultures

Left: all equal

Right: some are better than others

Simplistic again.

Me: of course some are better than
others. North Korea's culture, anyone??? Syria??? But maybe if it is just different than ours, we can learn to appreciate what they do that differs from what we expect.


30. America’s Founding Fathers

Left: rich white male slave owners

Right: great men who founded the
greatest society

Me: Flawed and less-flawed men
who came together to magnify their greatness in order to bring about my
country, which is great enough for me, without needing to be "the
greatest".

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31. Purpose of Judges

Left: pursue social justice

Right: pursue justice

Not entirely sure how you are
defining social justice apart from justice. I think I see what you mean here, but I want specifics.


32. National Borders

Left: a relic of the past

Right: indispensable for national
survival

Okay, don't know any lefties (I'm
sure there are one or two you can dredge up from somewhere) that think national
borders are a relic of the past. That's a canard.

Me: We need national borders.

3. View of Illegal Immigrants

Left: welcomed guests

Right: illegal immigrants

Again, the Left does not view illegal
immigrants as welcomed guests, per se. There's levels to a potential
discussion.


34. Nature

Left: intrinsically valuable

Right: made for man

Me: Intrinsically valuable, both in
its own right, and for the benefit of our future generations. And I do
know avowed RWs who agree with me on this.

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19. International Ideal

Left: world governed by the United
Nations, and no single country is dominant

Right: world in which America is the
single strongest entity

Well if the right works towards their goal were does that leave the rest of the countries, begging for scraps? US minions?

ETA, what is it with the need for some FRW to dominate others?

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Artemis, Thank-You! I can't say I agree with you, ( I do in part on some, but definitely not all) but sharing your thoughts without malice is what I wish this forum had more of & I really appreciate you taking the time! We'll never all agree on everything & sharing different ideas, opinions, & what we believe to be facts, without all the censorship, ridicule & attacks would sure go a long way to make this a positive & pleasant place to learn about other ways of looking at things. Again, Thank You!

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19. International Ideal

Left: world governed by the United
Nations, and no single country is dominant

Right: world in which America is the
single strongest entity

Well if the right works towards their goal were does that leave the rest of the countries, begging for scraps? US minions?

ETA, what is it with the need for some FRW to dominate others?

I don't believe it's about domination (as in rule over), but about our prosperity, size, freedoms & values that differ from all others... to be an example & guide... to spread those very freedoms we enjoy to others. Not to rule over, but as an example & aid when needed.

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34. Nature

Left: intrinsically valuable

Right: made for man

This one jumped out at me more than any of the others and I disagreed with all of them in that they were either wrong, or not capable of either/or. This appears to be an Old Testament belief that God made the world for man (and not necessarily woman). If people adhered to this belief (which many do), they are on the path to destruction. Human beings are part of nature, may be at the top brain-development-wise, but many are disregarding the command in the OT to "replenish the earth." IMO, anyone who believes this, LW or RW, and acts accordingly is inviting disaster. I really don't believe this is a right/left view of nature but a wrong view of nature for anyone who cares about the lives of their children and grandchildren or just plainly, humanity, regardless of their political persuasion.

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kaych

So ubro, are you saying you do agree with this?

  • Left: world governed by the United
    Nations, and no single country is dominant



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Annie Deighnaugh

Well done, artemis. Well done!

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carolb_w_fl_coastal_9b(zone 9/10)

Noted that positions purported to be of the political left are almost without exception, positions attributed to the left by the political right, not actual positions of the left in general. which is what I meant by 'subjective' in my prior comment.

Strawmen fallacies are so much easier to debate than reality, it seems.

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to be an example & guide... to spread those very freedoms we enjoy to others. Not to rule over, but as an example & aid when needed.

Sorry I have seen the example of guidance in Trump thanks, I will pass on having to 'look up' to the USA as something to aspire to. When Trump actually brings concrete changes that top other countries in education, health, happiness, standard of living and lowers gun deaths, I might consider it. Until then I look to the other countries that do better than Canada for examples of societies to emulate.

  • So ubro, are you saying you do agree with this?

    • Left: world governed by the United
      Nations, and no single country is dominant

    No not necessarily, your options are narrow in view.

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