Trump to opponents: ‘It would be very bad’ if his military got tough"

dandyfopp

Trump issues warning to opponents: ‘It would be very bad’ if his military, police and biker supporters got ‘tough’


https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2019/03/14/trump-issues-warning-to-opponents-it-would-be-very-bad-if-his-military-police-and-biker-supporters-got-tough.html



WASHINGTON—U.S. President Donald Trump has issued what seems to be a warning of armed pushback against his political opponents, telling a right-wing website on Monday that “it would be very bad, very bad” if his supporters in the military, police and a motorcycle group were provoked into getting “tough.”

Trump uttered the remark in an interview with Breitbart News, a right-wing website that supports him. It came, according to Breitbart, as Trump was arguing that “the left” plays politics in a “tougher” and more “vicious” manner than the pro-Trump right even though “the tough people” are on Trump’s side.


“I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump — I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad,” Trump said.

Trump did not specify who “they” were. Breitbart did not emphasize the quote, which it published in an article headlined “Exclusive — President Donald Trump: Paul Ryan Blocked Subpoenas of Democrats.”

The quote prompted criticism and alarm when the Star tweeted it.

“This is how an authoritarian talks. Happening right in front of us,” Brendan Nyhan, a University of Michigan public policy professor who co-founded an initiative monitoring the state of U.S. democracy, said on Twitter.

“We can’t sugar-coat this. The President of the United States is encouraging the military, police, and bikers to violently attack his critics on the left,” liberal journalist Judd Legum tweeted.

“In which the president of the United States threatens street violence against his political opponents,” the liberal advocacy group Public Citizen tweeted. “What happens if Trump loses in 2020? Is that the ‘certain point?’”

Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen, who has been convicted of several crimes, testified to Congress in February: “Given my experience working for Mr. Trump, I fear that if he loses the election in 2020, that there will never be a peaceful transition of power.”

Trump made another veiled suggestion of retribution from the military, police and Bikers for Trump at a midterm campaign rally in Georgia in November. After mocking Antifa protesters as weaklings — “you see these little arms,” he joked — he said, “And then you see the clubs in their hands. You know, they’re tough guys, right. Where are the Bikers for Trump? Where are the police? Where are the military? Where are the ICE? Where are the Border Patrol? No. No. We’ve taken a lot. We’ve taken a lot, folks.”


Bikers for Trump, which has more than 300,000 followers on Facebook, is not a criminal biker gang.

Bikers for Trump founder Chris Cox, a chainsaw artist described in one 2017 newspaper profile as “exceedingly polite,” offered in advance of Trump’s inauguration in 2017 to form a “wall of meat” between the president and protesters. He said, though, that he expected a peaceful gathering. While group members have had verbal confrontations with anti-Trump protesters, there have not been reports of major violence.

Trump met with some of the Bikers for Trump at his Bedminster golf club in New Jersey in August. In November, Cox travelled to Florida and made unfounded allegations of election fraud. In December, Cox and his German shepherd stood outside the courthouse where former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn was to be sentenced for lying to the FBI, with Cox telling Mother Jones magazine he was “here to make sure [Flynn’s] family is not assaulted or intimidated.”

Trump also endorsed violence against protesters at some of his rallies in 2016. At one rally in Iowa, he urged his supporters to beat up anyone getting ready to “throw a tomato,” saying, “Knock the crap out of them…I promise you I will pay for the legal fees.”

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Izzy Mn

Wow. Just imagine how he talks in private behind closed doors with no restraint. It's probably at least twice as bad.

Just when you think you've heard the worst he tops it again. Just keeps creeping up to the line on how a dictator would act and the type of rhetoric you would expect to hear them say. Or is it past the line now?

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sheesh(5b)

What will the very bad, very bad thing be? Will they lock me up? Shoot me on the road for my bumper stickers? Haul me away in chains from my home because of what I write here?

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catspat(aka)

Why is Trump threatening us with government and other forces using physical violence? He's definitely past the line.

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maifleur01

Just noticed that most of the comments that were on here have gone poof unless there is another thread. Anyone that is not taking this threat seriously needs to reevaluate what is going on in this country and compare to what has happened when threats like this have been issued in other countries. Normally the threats are not made public and have been issued by mouth pieces not the person in charge.

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dandyfopp

There is another thread maifleur,

I don't know if it went poof for a spell or I couldn't find it.

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

Guys it's just a joke, don't worry.

/Sarcasm

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AITG

He's only going to keep pushing.

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T.W.

That's quite a threat.

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jean_mi_z5

He's in panic mode.

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lily12

He's a lunatic.

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socks(10a)

Outrageous, scary. Kelly Ann's husband is right: he needs a mental health checkup.

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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

To me this is categorically and unquestionably grounds for impeachment. He has crossed the line.

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tony jelly

Read my thread "what is he good for?" Trump creates a diversion while his admin sneaks under its cover to pass legislation.

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purrmichigan(5)

idc why he said it - it's how dictators talk.

Dems are multi-taskers. We can handle ALL of the crazy - from legislation to his threats on citizens.

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chase_gw

What is it going to take for his supporters to understand his " policies" are not worth your democracy.?

The military ? The police ? Bikers ?

Wake the hell up !!!!!!

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ubro(2a)

chase, you should have put that last sentence in all caps.

WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!!!!!

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Joaniepoanie

Such an idiot blowhard, coward, fraud. He'd pee his pants if anyone really went after him physically. Let the Trumpers start something......they are outnumbered 3 or 4/1.

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vgkg Z-7 Va(Z-7)

Mob Boss Talk........Nice democracy you have heres, be mighty terrible if something bad happens to it.

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dandyfopp


chase_gw

What is it going to take for his supporters to understand his " policies" are not worth your democracy.?

^^

It will have to come to their door.

It doesn't matter what he does to harm other or threaten other people as long it is other people.


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MrsM(6)

This so called 'President' is a bully. Nothing more and nothing less.

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margaritadina

After Obama opened a hunting season on people who keep us and our neighborhoods safe, it might get bad, Dems don't have police on their side any more. That disgusting crucifixion of six police officers in Baltimore was the last straw. God forbid we ever get there, but it might get bad. Same with the army, at least 60% are conservatives.

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chase_gw

What the heck are you saying? 60% are conservative and they would move to support Trump and supress the people?

Things are worse than I thought.....way worse.

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

Margaritadina, are you saying that you think police forces will attack civilians in order to support a certain President, because some police officers were killed?

And that 60% of military personnel will similarly attack civilians because of the soldiers' alleged political views?

I am sceptical, but I admit that that is only based on the service people I know.

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purrmichigan(5)

Silly. Lack of common sense.

People aren't robots - even though the far right is just about that one dimensional.

Don't expect anyone to act and react in the way they are. They're a very freakish group.

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margievank

They're a very freakish group.

The kind you don't take home to mother....

The left is Super Freaks, Super Freaks ;))

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AITG

TEMPTATIONS SING!!


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Fuhgetabauti

I think it was more of a warning than a threat. We would prefer things to be civilized, but the left hasn't been civilized lately. But conservatives are smart, calm, reasonable people that don't respond in kind. Yet.

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

In this context I think the difference between "warning" and "threat" is academic.

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Fuhgetabauti

So do you still want the 2nd Amendment gone?

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maifleur01

So like in Germany and in slavery times people are supposed to just shut up and say Yes, Sir to everything he wants and help him do it even if it injures or kills people???? From some of the comments on here that is what is sounds like.

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bleusblue2

The cult sees no problem with the threats. OK. I'm exhausted.

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ubro(2a)

I think it was more of a warning than a threat.

They are the same thing, if I warn someone that my friends will do violence to them if they defy me that is a threat.

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lily12

I can't wait till the prison gates close on him.

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MissMyGardens

Fuhgetabauti "So do you still want the 2nd Amendment gone?"

There are not many who demand that and you know it. The militia is specifically directed to be "well regulated" and gun lobby and adherents militate against what can only be described as reasonable safety measures.

It's far right preppers and 2nd amendment fanatics who constantly tell us in writings and group ideology that they need their guns because you never know when the government could turn on us and take away our rights.

People who think and advocate such thinking are now standing up for a child who can't control his mouth and has so little awareness of history that all he has to depend on is his gut to go for the jugular knowing he has no bottom but most others do so he's "winning".

Words like his agitate those with possible psychological or personality impairments to go beyond thought to act out the defensiveness and not well veiled verbal threat rhetoric. That is grossly irresponsible after we've all seen what results can and do obtain from literal reception of that kind of speech.

Luckily for us the military has a code of ethics and behavior that will not carry out unconstitutional orders.

Law enforcement is another matter in too many places. The sheer number and idiosyncratic nature of law enforcement entities around the country make them unreliable for anyone they deem brazen enough to challenge their authority in terms of respecting the rest of the "rights" enumerated in the very same documents as the guns/weapons of supposedly "well regulated militia".

Had another president intimated let alone blatantly said the same "threat" people would be stocking up on ammunition to defend themselves from the overreach of a government pursuing their rights. Instead supporters of this abomination who gave you tax breaks and judges can say and do just about anything and it's tolerated.

This is akin to degrading the historical procedures and operation of the Senate which were instituted to give all parties and citizens a bulwark against such domination because the "next person" with same position or power will choose their own "target" to abuse or diminish.

How those who carry out the wishes of this president for fear of reprisal have debased themselves and the institution which they took an oath to serve on our behalf.

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marquest(PA zone 6)

It would be funny if it was not so sad. I think he believes this could happen.


He could not make Nancy let him do the State of the Union when he wanted

He could not make Congress give him money to build his silly wall

He could not make Mexico pay for his silly wall

He could not order the military to leave Syria the next day.


The Police, Justice Dept will escorted out of the WH as soon as they can and they will do it with a smile.


He is a joke.

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dandyfopp

So where we are.

It is fine for the POTUS to threaten political opponents and American citizens with violence.

Ha ha or shrug or be happy you have your guns.


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sunflower_petal(5a)

Who has said they want the Second Amendment gone?

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Izzy Mn

"But conservatives are smart, calm, reasonable people that don't respond in kind. Yet."

Really????

Trump is going to have to be dragged out of the White House when he loses. He will be screaming, Fake News!! Fake voters!! Hillary!!! Obama!! Bunch of rats!!! No collusion!!!MAGA MAGA!! Kicking and screaming the whole way down Pennsylvania Ave. I will be entertaining and frightening. Can't wait.

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margaritadina

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

Margaritadina, are you saying that you think police forces will attack civilians in order to support a certain President, because some police officers were killed?

And that 60% of military personnel will similarly attack civilians because of the soldiers' alleged political views?

I am sceptical, but I admit that that is only based on the service people I know.

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Miss Lindsey, there is nothing new in this world. What is going to happen in the future had already happened in the past - this world is very-very old. Only America is a baby )))

Based on my extensive studies of the French and Russian revolutions, I predict that police/army/all armed sworn units will take sides according to their 1) moral beliefs 2)political beliefs - future behavior is predicted based on the facts of the behavior in the past. There will be some apolitical deserters, some looters, rapists and murderers. The country will be thrown back decades, and possibly invaded by foreign opportunistic military forces. It will be hell on earth . I would rather sort things out via dialog and consensus.

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mayflowers

No one on the right is saying what the "certain point" is though. You can describe the revolution based on history but what is the trigger? What triggers trump to release the military, police, and bikers against the left?

Fuhgetabauti I think it was more of a warning than a threat.

A warning about what?

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

Neither the French nor the Russian revolutions involved a democracy. Both were revolutions against absolute monarchies. You're suggesting that United States citizens will take up arms to *install* an absolute monarchy aka dictator.

And I am sceptical. I think some military/police would take up arms against civilians under orders, but not on their own initiative at the rate of 60%.

Of course, theoretically at any time the US could see a revolution-civil war.

From your earlier comment about the last straw being Obama and the military/police forces being 60% Trump, in the context of a quote from Trump that he has tough mean friends who we don't want to mess with or else, it sounds like you think a revolution will happen sooner rather than later.

ETA sorry for the lack of clarity, the "you" in this comment is margaritadina :)

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maifleur01

I think that there will be a trigger and it may be from Trump's mouth but it may also be from those that are currently planning on securing a permanent leader be it Trump or another in this countries future. There has always been groups in this country that oppose anyone or any thing that does not goosestep with what they believe is the correct direction of this or any other country. These groups are sometimes seen when a member acts out their agenda before the time. Sometimes the groups then go back into hiding until later. There will be more copycat shootings like this in the near future unless the groups severely warn their followers not to do so.


These shootings may appear random but they are driven by a deep hatred of people and things that some cannot understand that the people and things they are targeting are like their families were at one time. Revenge on what some think are oppressing the world looks good when it is fueled by internal anger.

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margaritadina

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mayflowers

No one on the right is saying what the "certain point" is though. You can describe the revolution based on history but what is the trigger? What triggers trump to release the military, police, and bikers against the left?


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No one knows what the ''certain point'' is,because no one knows where the screws will be tightened....but it has to be something significant that touches many hearts and can't be achieved via democratic processes due to corruption, assassination or other political factors. Can very well be guns - that is a dead serious issue.

Assassination of Archduke Ferdinand triggered the WWI because he would had never given up on Austro-Hungarian south provinces populated by Slavs, and Slavs wanted to break away from Austro-Hungary. When Ferdinand was killed a lot of people saw the light at the end of the tunnel - you can't show a bone to a starving dog and assume that you can take it back as you pleased. And still no one could have predicted that after a chain of political backs and forths Europe would find itself drowning in a blood of 37 million people....

The trigger of Russian revolution was 1) weak government that was unable to make strong and timely decisions 2) poverty of the significant part of population (about 20%) 3) corrupted army supply contractors that delivered rotten provision and malfunctioning ammunition. Troops were often almost starving, bullets didn't fit gun barrels 4) communists promise of dividing the country's wealth equally among all people - we know how 'plainpeople oriented party'killed27 million and impoverished the rest.

It has to be something significant between conservatives and liberals.

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maifleur01

Most of the things that have touched off similar activities in other countries have been merely rumors so to discount something thinking that there has to be a single "activity" to trigger them is simply ignoring history. You have to look at what lead up to the Archduke's assassination. His assassination by itself would not have involved the other countries. Which is something that most writers discount.

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

And I hope when/if the military takes up arms against citizens of the US, it is to *suppress* a dictator NOT INSTALL ONE.

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bleusblue2

T.W.

it has to be something significant that touches many hearts and can't be achieved via democratic processes due to corruption, assassination or other political factors.

Wow.

So this would excuse a coup attempt by Mr. Trump,

Wow

Mr. Trump is inciting violence and encouraging Americans to take up arms against the government, and apparently the right wing is on board with his plans

This sounds like a Russian attempt to destroy American Constitutional democracy

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T.W. may I echo WOW

Never in my lifetime has anything like this been discussed as a possibility. The millitary does not belong to the President and when a President speaks as if it does, he has crossed not just a line but jumped over a WALL. A wall, more than 200 years old, that was designed to protect us from a government that grabbed power for itself. WOW

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margaritadina

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maifleur01

Most of the things that have touched off similar activities in other countries have been merely rumors so to discount something thinking that there has to be a single "activity" to trigger them is simply ignoring history. You have to look at what lead up to the Archduke's assassination. His assassination by itself would not have involved the other countries. Which is something that most writers discount.

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Read my post. Slavs wanted to break away from Austro-Hungary and take south provinces with them to form a Greater Serbia - complex political, geo-political, economic and ethnic issue. It's far from been a single activity.

That 's what happened before his assassination.

And after his assassination Europe had WWI that was triggered by Ferdinand's assassination.

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Izzy Mn

Well Trump does seem to admire Putin. He wants to emulate him. Or are minimum is getting suggestions from him. He really is a wanna be dictator. That gets clearer everyday by his actions and what he says.

When someone shows you who they are believe them.

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dandyfopp

Not a question Donnie wants to be a dictator, the only question that might have lingered for some people is do Donnie fans want a dictator?

For this forum, they have answered that question.

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

".but it has to be something significant that touches many hearts and can't be achieved via democratic processes due to corruption, assassination or other political factors.

It has to be something significant between conservatives and liberals."

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Show me a revolution that is about conservatism versus liberalism.

So far every single one of your examples has been about the oppressed standing up to their oppressors and they come from different sides of the political spectrum. The common denominator is the consolidation of power in one small group or one person.

When you suggest that the military is 60% in favour of Trump and therefore willing to take up arms in his defense against citizens of the US, you're essentially saying that the military and police are in favour of installing a dictator and they are only waiting for the right moment. That instead of defending the United States of America and her Constitution, they will uphold Donald Trump and his alleged quest for power.

I don't buy it. I think they will uphold the oath they swear, and that oath is first and foremost to protect the CONSTITUTION against enemies foreign and domestic. Since the President also swears to uphold the constitution, s/he cannot legally give an order to the military that circumvents the constitution. It is legal to disobey an unlawful order and I just don't think your average Joe or Jane soldier is prepared to shoot civilians to keep the Donald in office. Interesting that officers DO NOT swear to follow the orders of the prez.

[When one enlists in the United States Military, active duty or reserve, the following oath is taken:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Officers, upon commission, swear to the following:

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/military-orders-3332819]

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maifleur01

margarita there have been more things in this world that have triggered uprisings than just the assignation of the Archduke. Read about the uprising in that area that tore Yugoslavia apart. Much of the fighting between the three groups was fueled by rumors. Want to go further back check out Huguenots in France. Although that one did not directly take over the government the leaders were simply shunted aside after it was done. History if you take time to examine what was happening surrounding an incident is very interesting and useful in predicting future events.

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margaritadina

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

".but it has to be something significant that touches many hearts and can't be achieved via democratic processes due to corruption, assassination or other political factors.

It has to be something significant between conservatives and liberals."

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Show me a revolution that is about conservatism versus liberalism.

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Miss Lindsey, answering this part of your post, every revolution is a clash between conservatives and liberals - between ''old, oppressive, mean, with a few super rich, selfish, not charitable enough society" and ''a breath of fresh air, demolition of rotten governing methods, hope for millions to get a better life, equality, happiness, equal decent wealth'' .

We know the outcome, indeed, but that's how revolution start.

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margaritadina

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maifleur01

margarita there have been more things in this world that have triggered uprisings than just the assignation of the Archduke. Read about the uprising in that area that tore Yugoslavia apart. Much of the fighting between the three groups was fueled by rumors. Want to go further back check out Huguenots in France. Although that one did not directly take over the government the leaders were simply shunted aside after it was done. History if you take time to examine what was happening surrounding an incident is very interesting and useful in predicting future events.

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Or, I agree! History is a chain of events. But I was trying to fit an example of complex historical events that lead to cataclysms into a laconic internet post and omitted a lot of facts - and still D.W. was lost.

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

What about fascist revolutions? What about religious extremist uprisings? Do you just leave those events out of this conversation?

I maintain that the political ideology is NOT the important factor. It is a factor, but the real catelist is that a large group objects to power structure and rallies around a strong leader. That could happen in ANY extreme political climate, and the extreme-ness can come from the revolutionaries or from the existing power or both.

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judeNY_gw

Thank you for posting the military oaths miss lindsey. Since trump has established himself as a domestic enemy, the military response seems pretty clear in keeping with their oath.

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T.W.

every revolution is a clash between conservatives and liberals - between ''old, oppressive, mean, with a few super rich, selfish, not charitable enough society" and ''a breath of fresh air, demolition of rotten governing methods, hope for millions to get a better life, equality, happiness, equal decent wealth'' .

The conservatives are the old, oppressive, mean, with a few super rich, selfish, not charitable enough society"

The liberals are 'a breath of fresh air, demolition of rotten governing methods, hope for millions to get a better life, equality, happiness, equal decent wealth'' .

So why do you support the conservatives, and especially Mr. Trump?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

The question is not whether 60% of the military/police support Trump, but whether they support the US Constitution against an authoritarian usurper.

I would look to fascist Italy for a possible model of how paramilitary groups (with tacit backing of local law enforcement) seized control of power. That seems to be the model Trump is invoking / threatening.

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ubro(2a)

The conservatives are the old, oppressive, mean, with a few super rich, selfish, not charitable enough society"

For sure, pull up any thread on universal health care, or welfare and it will be crystal clear.

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margaritadina

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T.W.


every revolution is a clash between conservatives and liberals -
between ''old, oppressive, mean, with a few super rich, selfish, not
charitable enough society" and ''a breath of fresh air, demolition of
rotten governing methods, hope for millions to get a better life,
equality, happiness, equal decent wealth'' .

The conservatives are the old, oppressive, mean, with a few super rich, selfish, not charitable enough society"

The liberals are 'a breath of fresh air, demolition of rotten
governing methods, hope for millions to get a better life, equality,
happiness, equal decent wealth'' .

So why do you support the conservatives, and especially Mr. Trump?

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Because I know the outcome of ''a breath of fresh air, demolition of
rotten governing methods, hope for millions to get a better life,
equality, happiness, equal decent wealth''
socialists' empty promises that drown countries in blood , don't work in real life and make people equal in their misery and poverty.


''Socialism'' is another name for ''fascism'', take a look at American liberals - you are not with us, we will suppress and destroy you.

Same with adored by AOC Sweden where people were forcefully sterilized until 1974.Sweden finally realized the danger and impotence of socialism and now is a capitalist country.

France went back to capitalism and accumulation of a personal wealth, Russia went to hell and took it's socialists' ideals with it. And so did NK,

That's why I support conservativesand capitalism.

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chase_gw

" take a look at American liberals you are not with us, we will suppress and destroy you."

Nice.........

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dockside_gw

Same with adored by AOC Sweden where people were forcefully sterilized until 1974.Sweden finally realized the danger and impotence of socialism and now is a capitalist country.

I guess you didn't know that forced sterilzation of those on welfare in North Carolina took place until the early 1970's - about 1974, also, I think. And just think, North Carolina must have been a socialistic state back then /S.

http://www.msnbc.com/all/eugenic-sterilization-victims-belated-justice

eta: link

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Linda

And yet the leader of the conservatives serves the KBG-trained Putin. Putin the master puppeteer! The expert in propaganda and suppressor of the "breath of fresh air" rebels in Russia!

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Russia is a living hell as its capitalism transfers wealth into few hands -- a kleptocracy with friends of Putin on top of the heap.

Dissent is not tolerated, and investigative reporters have an incredibly short life span.

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margaritadina

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

What
about fascist revolutions? What about religious extremist uprisings? Do
you just leave those events out of this conversation?

I maintain that the political ideology is NOT the important factor.
It is a factor, but the real catelist is that a large group objects to
power structure and rallies around a strong leader. That could happen in
ANY extreme political climate, and the extreme-ness can come from the
revolutionaries or from the existing power or both.

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Sure I leave it out, because I was talking about revolutions. There was not a single fascist revolution in history of a mankind. There is nothing to talk about here. There were fascist parties that won leaderships in various countries - Benito's, Hitler's, Japaneses fascists were a significant force in Japanese government . It has nothing to do with revolutions and with civil wars.


It's political ideologies - that include personal and religious beliefs - that consolidate people around the strong leader who delivers this ideology. There was not a single strong leader in history of mankind without a solid agenda and ideology. I wouldn't underestimate political ideology, seriously.

I agree with you that a strong leader can consolidate great forces around himself. Hypothetically he can.

Liberals' problem is unwillingness to recognize the volume and longevity of unhappiness and anger that at least half of the population of this country accumulated watching Obama's crap, liberals siding with illegal aliens against their fellow citizens, open borders policy ('asylum' doesn't full anyone), identity politics, indoctrination of children into transgenderism and other crap, movement against white straight men, war with police, the bathroom law, minorities' ruling, out of control illegal and H1B immigration that striped three+ million Americans of their jobs, lower middle class and ''mom's and pop's' small businesses destroyed by Obamacare , etc., etc., etc.. And liberals keep pushing.




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margaritadina

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dockside_gw

Same
with adored by AOC Sweden where people were forcefully sterilized until
1974.Sweden finally realized the danger and impotence of socialism and
now is a capitalist country.

I guess you didn't know that forced sterilzation of those on welfare
in North Carolina took place until the early 1970's - about 1974, also, I
think. And just think, North Carolina must have been a socialistic
state back then /S.

http://www.msnbc.com/all/eugenic-sterilization-victims-belated-justice

eta: link

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Or, I knew. Does AOC adore NC? No.

Its off topic.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Russia
is a living hell as its capitalism transfers wealth into few hands -- a
kleptocracy with friends of Putin on top of the heap.

Dissent is not tolerated, and investigative reporters have an incredibly short life span.

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I wouldn't call whatever they have in Russia a ''capitalism''. Seriously. It's an assault to capitalism.

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miss lindsey (still misses Sophie)(8a)

"Warning" that the military and police and biker gangs are being restrained only at the benevolence of the President is an assault on the Constitution.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

If, after the sale of state industries to the private sector, Russia does not have capitalism, what do you call their economic system?

It's certainly not socialist.

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cait1

Look at what far-left loon cities are doing to their police forces - they want to rid them of 'white men' and have them composed of women, minorities and people who grew up in foreign countries who care nothing for our constitutional Republic.

As Portland trends further and further from Democrat to Marxist, the
rank-and-file officers of the Portland Police Bureau have been put in
the unenviable position of being ordered by the mayor to cater to the
far left protesters and rioters like Antifa....

The latest shocker? The city council is consulting with a Baltimore based Black Lives Matter activist DeRay McKesson to strategize over how the next police contract should be written...

Mayor Ted Wheeler has a plan: “We’re reaching out to communities of color, we’re looking to recent immigrants to the United States, we’re looking to more women.”

...that’s the mayor’s plan. To recruit people who grew up in different countries, under entirely different types of laws, with completely different cultural norms, to be the ones to enforce the law in Portland.A third anonymous source inside the Portland police bureausays he knows of over 45 officers tossing their badges on the mayor’sdesk, and that former officers have even offered to come out of retirement, only to be denied by the bureau.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/antifa-controlled-portland-police-bureau-faces-mass-exodus-as-50-officers-quit-over-insane-and-dangerous-far-left-policies/

Same thing happened in Seattle:

A police union said officers are leaving the Seattle Police Department
in a “mass exodus” due to frustration over the city’s politics.

O’Neill said while the contract negotiations are a point of contention, officers aren’t leaving due to the money but because of city politics. He added that many officers are afraid to do their jobs, and that officers feel a lack of support from city officials.

“It's just depressing to serve in a place where many City Council members who
are coming out at times with negative comments about the police,” O’Neill said.

The union said city council members have been very critical of the department, including Councilmember Kshama Sawant, who reportedly called two officers murderers after an officer-involved shooting. Those two officers later sued Sawant.

https://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/477132006-Union-Seattle-cops-leaving-force-due-to-frustration-over-city-politics/

I see the 'free speech' leftists want to protect - it comes from the likes of antifa, BLM and foreigners who are here illegally.

But hand out a pocket Constitutions and the left will arrest you.

Disorder and chaos serves the lefts' agenda to a T.


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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

If,
after the sale of state industries to the private sector, Russia does
not have capitalism, what do you call their economic system?

It's certainly not socialist.

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You are been polite ))) ''Sale of industries'' is a stretch. Ownership of many businesses was achieved by racketeering and murders of the previous owners. And the previous owners stole these businesses from workers who supposed to collectively owe plants and factories that they worked for via vouchers (if I remember correctly) - that was the promise of ex-socialists (as always a lie as can be expected from socialists).

At least that;s what happened in the 90s. I don't read much about Russia any more.

Russia chose it's own way of governing that is not socialism and not capitalism. I would describe it as an authoritarian bloody mess.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Russian economy and business: Not state owned, but privately owned. Is that not a key component of capitalism?

When it turns into a nightmare, it's no longer capitalism so as not to admit capitalism's failure?

The juntas and dictatorships of Latin America in the 1970s and 1980s were pro capitalism -- Pinochet was willing to turn Chile into a playground for the Chicago Boys.

Capitalism guarantees nothing in terms of government.

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terezosa / terriks

"have them composed of women, minorities and people who grew up in foreign countries who care nothing for our constitutional Republic."

So, only white men care about our constitutional republic??!

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T.W.

Look at what far-left loon cities are doing to their police forces - they want to rid them of 'white men' and have them composed of women, minorities and people who grew up in foreign countries who care nothing for our constitutional Republic

Like Donald Trump, one of those "white men" who cares for our constitutional Republic?

He's the biggest, sickest joke in the world

Donald Trump is a white supremacist who spews white supremacist rhetoric.

It seems he, and his supporters want more white supremacist men on America's police forces to ensure that women, minorities and people who grew up in foreign countries know their place, no matter what Constitutional guarantees and protections we have.

The racist, white supremacist right wing rhetoric on HT is getting uglier and uglier.

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T.W.

At least that;s what happened in the 90s. I don't read much about Russia any more.

Russia chose it's own way of governing that is not socialism and not capitalism. I would describe it as an authoritarian bloody mess.

Nice try

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Ziemia(6a)

"The racist, white supremacist right wing rhetoric on HT is getting uglier and uglier."

Well said.

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Was there a tweet connected to that this OP / & is it the one they just deleted from Trump's account?

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Figured out what I had heard:

"“I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump—I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough—until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad,” he told Breitbart on Monday in an interview published Wednesday. ***On Thursday, as the remark was drawing wide and largely unfavorable attention, he tweeted a link to the Breitbart home page."

The tweet was deleted Friday morning.

+++++++++++++

Why would it have been deleted?

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T.W.

Was there a tweet connected to that this OP / & is it the one they just deleted from Trump's account?

Trump made the original comment in a interview with Bretibart

President Trump in a new interview suggested that his supporters are tougher than Democrats, and that if they actually play tough things could get "very bad."

Trump made the comments in the context of an interview with the conservative outlet Breitbart in which he argued that Democrats play a tough political game.

“You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny," Trump said in the interview with Breitbart published on Wednesday. "I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher."

"I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad," Trump said.

Trump tweeted out a link promoting the website Thursday night after several Democrats and political commentators raised issues with the comments and whether they amounted to a potential threat of violence.

But Trump deleted the tweet early Friday after news overnight of the massacre at two mosques in New Zealand, though it was not immediately clear whether the attacks had any impact over the decision. The White House did not immediately respond to an ABC News request for comment on the deleted tweet.

I doubt Trump deleted the tweet. No doubt someone with access to his Twitter account deleted it. Or they wrestled him to the floor and took the phone from his tiny hands and deleted the tweet.

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mayflowers

He wasn't supposed to let us in on his master plan to keep the presidency by any means necessary.

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Ziemia(6a)

The truth about the defense of Trump by saying he's only joking should be clear to all by now. He is not able to joke about this. It is not about 'libs' having no sense of humor.

#Trump said something bad

#He tweeted about it.

#Manifesto hater referenced Trump's views

#Trump's tweet is removed

#Someone in the WH gets it (well, some of it)

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T.W.

Because I know the outcome of ''a breath of fresh air, demolition of rotten governing methods, hope for millions to get a better life, equality, happiness, equal decent wealth''

Do you now? Just because the outcome was bad in Russia .................

We, in the US, had a very successful revolution in 1776.

We did it once, we'll do it again, if Mr. Trump tries to overthrow our American Constitutional Democracy

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terezosa / terriks

"As a foreigner I am a little embarrassed to correct your knowledge on the history of your country but the US never had a revolution."


Really??

https://www.history.com/topics/american-revolution/american-revolution-history

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Izzy Mn

Thank you tere, I was also in the middle of posting this. I was just going to post we both had. America had both American Revolution and a Civil War. But then again since the establishment of the United States there has not been any Revolutions or any attempts really. (Except a few wingnuts camped out in their lean-to or underground bunkers in their own crazy minds) Maybe that's what was meant?

1776–1783: Diplomacy and the American Revolution. In the 1770s, the increasingly defiant American colonies began to work toward political independence from the British Government. Tensions continued to escalate until, in 1775, armed conflict erupted.

And

Civil War:


The American Civil War was a war fought in the United States from 1861 to 1865, between the North and the South. The Civil War is the most studied and written about episode in U.S. history. Wikipedia

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judeNY_gw

As a foreigner I am a little embarrassed to correct your knowledge on
the history of your country but the US never had a revolution. The US
had a civil war between the Union and Confederates.

A revolution and a civil war are two different concepts.

You need to go back to school, 5th grade will suit you right.


Way to advertise your ignorance margaritadina. And with such arrogance.

Emulating the cult leader?

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T.W.

OMG!!

margaritadina: As a foreigner I am a little embarrassed to correct your knowledge on the history of your country but the US never had a revolution. The US had a civil war between the Union and Confederates.

A revolution and a civil war are two different concepts.

You need to go back to school, 5th grade will suit you right.

A foreigner should be embarrassed to have posted such a comment.

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d_gw

The US never had a revolution? Yikes. You need to go back to propaganda school.

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T.W.

The US never had a revolution? Yikes. You need to go back to propaganda school.

I'm sure it was in all the papers

Although the Russian Empire did not directly send troops or supplies to the colonies or British Empire during the war, it responded to the Declaration of Independence, played a role in international diplomacy, and contributed to the lasting legacy of the American Revolution abroad.

News of the Declaration of Independence's penning and signing finally reached Imperial Russia on August 13, 1776. In imperial correspondence, Vasilii Grigor'evich Lizakevich, a Russian ambassador in London wrote to Count Nikita Ivanovich Panin, a Russian statesmen, and praised the leadership, bravery, and virtue of colonial leaders as shown through the declaration. It is worth noting, though, that, in this same dispatch, Lizakevich never noted the "natural rights of man" mentioned in the document; and, instead only focused on the actions of the American forefathers. When Catherine the Great caught wind of the declaration's creation and adoption, the tsarina attributed the actions of Britain's former colonists to "personal fault" on the part of the British Crown in the form of its colonial policies. Moreover, the monarch believed "that the separation of the colonies from the mother country did not conflict with the interests of Russia and might even be advantageous to her."

More documentation of the Russian reception of the Declaration of Independence comes from the accounts of Pavel Petrovich Svinyin, a representative of the tsarist government to the United States. In his accounts from 1811–1813, Svinyin noted that it appeared that American civilians enjoyed almost all the enumerated liberties as outlined by the declaration and constitution. Despite the publication of Svinyin's observations of American life, the full text of the Declaration of Independence was outlawed in the Russian Empire until the reign and reform era of Tsar Alexander II (1855-1881 ). Historians attribute this absence of the document to the disconnect between the Declaration of Independence's values and the policies which the Russian monarchy enforced.

The Declaration of Independence also inspired the beliefs and doctrines of some members of Russia's Decembrist Uprising. To them, America represented a sort of "motherland of freedom." Even though it was never fully published before the Decembrist Revolt, the Declaration of Independence still managed to infiltrate the minds of members of Russian society.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

The US is no longer a British colony.

What does one call the act of overthrowing colonial rule by violence?

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terezosa / terriks

"As
a foreigner I am a little embarrassed to correct your knowledge on the
history of your country but the US never had a revolution."


Really??

https://www.history.com/topics/american-revolution/american-revolution-history

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My apologies. All of you who posted replies are absolutely right.

I was too concentrated on the topic issue of a conflict of two antagonist forces within one country and on the comparison of a Russian revolution and it's outcome and America as we know it today.

American rebellion revolution against the ruling of GB was totally outside my spectrum of discussion and I didn't pay attention to the date.






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T.W.

The US never had a revolution? Yikes. You need to go back to propaganda school.

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Flagged your racist post.

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T.W.

Check again, that wasn't my comment

SMH

But I'm curious, why do you consider d_gw's comment racist?

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T.W.

Sadly, racist comments and white supremacist rhetoric are posted on many threads on this forum

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sheesh(5b)

Tilly , why are you calling margievank 'margiewank?' How rude to make fun of her name. It's against the rules.

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mayflowers

“Those with a quick flagger finger don't last long.”

Absolutely not true. I know of one in particular that has been on the site for a few years. She got away with it by posing as a (fake) Pro. Houzz take complaints from Pros far more seriously, as she knew.

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Ziemia(6a)

"American rebellion revolution against the ruling of GB was totally outside my spectrum of discussion and I didn't pay attention to the date."

Explains and suggests a lot.

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T.W.

I know of one in particular that has been on the site for a few years.

So you've been on the forum for years?

I guess you aren't a new member, then.

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Tilly Teabag

Hi, TW, are you TW12345 ?

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T.W.

Tilly , why are you calling margievank 'margiewank?' How rude to make fun of her name. It's against the rules.

It's not only rude, it's crude and vulgar, inappropriate and uncalled for.

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Tilly Teabag

Why is it vulgar when all adults do it?


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AITG

Because they do it behind closed doors and not make a public display of themselves.

Polite society requires we be discrete about such things.

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Linda

Now I was always taught that it's "our" military. Just think about all the tax dollars we've contributed to the military over the years. And many of the people have served in it, fought for their country, sacrificed their health, sanity, or lives. And now it will supposedly run around beating up U.S. citizens for voicing their opinions, or perhaps for disagreeing with the dictator who some how sneaked into the presidency? Now it will behave like a gang of thugs? Hmmm. What happened to our democracy, our freedom, our rights? What will they do? Shoot us? Throw us into concentration camps to die a slow, but cruel death? Or hang us? Does Putin order this directly or will it be passed from him to HIS hired dictator thug, who will pretend he thought of it all on his own?

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T.W.

"Trump's" military?

"Trump's" police?

"Trump's" Fox News?

What else does he think is "his"?

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bleusblue2

Linda said

Now I was always taught that it's "our" military.

T.W. said

"Trump's" military?

"Trump's" police?

"Trump's" Fox News?

What else does he think is "his"?

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Some of the cult likes it, some of the cult thinks it's funny, none of the cult objects.

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