Need Vent Advice - Ceiling mount recessed vent... pros and cons?
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Matching vent hood with off brand in line fan... comments needed.
Comments (4)First of all the only reason to choose VAH is their magic lung blowers; if you are going to leave them out, there is nothing special about their liner-their claim to fame is strictly in the blowers. And as you point out, you don't get any baffles or filters if you go VAH without the blower. Other vendors will give you those with or without the fan. There is nothing special about the fans that come with a particular hood or liner if you are going with an external fan. 900 cfm is pretty much 900 cfm. (Except for mounting brackets and wiring, could mix and match internal blowers in many cases for that matter.) However, most in-line blowers are meant to go in an attic where they can be serviced. Somehow I got from your description you duct run may not be in an attic since you will exit through a wall rather than the roof. Don't seal up the fan where you can't get at it if it breaks. I'm not too sure how important the heat sensor really is-I'd take advice from someone who knows what they are talking about on this one. VAH only offers it on certain models/combinations so can't be a do or die deal. It came standard with my hood....See MoreCapital Culinarian Complex Range Venting/Ducting - Any Advice?
Comments (7)As noted above, maybe a liner (hood without a fancy exterior) would be best for wood integration. I have a Wolf Pro Island hood, and it fits my desired hood height under an 8-foot ceiling by using a 1-foot extension. A seven-foot ceiling would seem to match the hood (or its equivalent liner) without an extension. In any case, island hoods are intended to duct upward, so you either have to put a bend in where the beams are, or continue through the ceiling. It is too bad that the main beam passes close to the chimney that you want to center the hood on. A large, quasi-commercial style hood at the ceiling could provide a large enough capture zone while being perhaps less obtrusive. Besides the question on the chimney sectional area, there is a possible issue with grease transport through a normal chimney, not that it hasn't been done for centuries, but then the heat source was a hot wood fire. The cooler internal tiles or whatever are being used to line the chimney will tend to collect grease more easily than thin sheet metal ducting that will tend to warm quickly. So the same issues as with wood creosote build-up may be in play. Also, using the chimney forces you to use an internal blower at the hood, rather than an external blower on the roof or exterior wall. An internal blower will be noisier for a given blower design and flow rate. What is above the ceiling by the chimney? kas...See MoreVentilation Hood Advice: Vent-A-Hood or Miele Insert Liner
Comments (26)I am the resident expert only because real HVAC systems engineers don't frequent this forum, as far as I know. Noise introduced into the kitchen will be significantly reduced if an external blower with silencer can be fitted. A lot of the high frequency blade tip turbulence caused noise will be removed. This is also true of an in-line (duct mounted) blower. The issue of the neighbor is difficult to assess. What is the configuration of his or her windows relative to your potential external blower (1500 CFM I assume you meant). Your own window sound transmission is also an unknown. Generally, the external noise could be abated by (a) using a silencer on each side of a duct mounted in-line blower, or (b), using a deliberately under-driven* "up-blast" commercial blower (mounted as a side blast). (I think opaone is using an under-driven blower for his new system.) It is also possible to use a chase to move the blower up to roof level. I have a 1500 CFM nominal Wolf (Broan) blower on my roof. Its sound level is detectable but not obtrusive from the ground, but it might be if in a wall location where the sound is "trapped" between two houses. Possibly a more expensive but similar in design Abbaka downslope unit would be marginally quieter. ------ * commercial blowers of this type can use a pulley system between motor and fan that allows for different ratios. By choosing a ratio that operates the fan blades below their rated speed when the motor is receiving maximum voltage, significant turbulence noise can be avoided. The physical cost is a larger unit than would otherwise be required for the desired flow rate. Residential blower fans are directly coupled to their motors....See MoreHood vent path using two duct sizes and venting down
Comments (4)The 4-inch duct was too small for the original plan. Probably an 8-inch would have been needed and then the higher flow rate requirement could be made to put up with a bit more pressure loss than is desirable . Air velocity in the hood ducting should be in the 1000 to 2000 ft/min range. Even if you only put a short length of 4-inch duct in a 10-inch duct path there would be very high pressure loss. (On-line calculators exist for these types of analyses.) And if you used a screaming mimi aerospace blower to get the flow rate at the pressure loss, the duct air velocity would be absurdly high and would try to compete with the blower for noise champion. Venting down and out may not be a violation, so long as your AHJ is OK with the details including slopes, sealing, and access, but such paths tend to be restrictive for various secondary reasons. And it seems you are limited to 4-inches in that direction, if I understood your message. I have no real picture of your kitchen, but if it were my kitchen I would use a 10-inch duct from the hood to the nearest exterior wall that didn't dump onto a deck or an openable window. I'd either enclose the duct with a soffit, or make it decorative. Alternatively the duct would go to a point on the ceiling where an upstairs chase could be added to get the path to the attic where it can deviate as necessary to get to a good position for a roof blower. For reference, I have seen images of wood-everywhere type structures where a hood duct went skyward across the room to the desired point on the roof. This appeared to be at least 20 ft high. Such schemes require stainless steel ducting to look decent. This wouldn't do if the ambience were not rustic. Can you extend the wall studs on the existing wall by 6 inches (cutting out 6 inches of space next to the cooktop) so there is space to have enough duct area?...See Moredananaya
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