What is acceptable in terms of gaps for hardwood floor in a new build?
Michael Lamb
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Hardwood Gaps Between Boards (w/pics) -- Acceptable?
Comments (12)I thought it was a classic floating floor installation problem. It has all the signs, except I missed the comment about middle of the room. Likely to be one of these two products...solid, nailed or stapled over a wood sub floor (note basement in photos) http://www.lumberliquidators.com/ll/s/Cocoa%20Birch Definitely call the installer back. IâÂÂm finding moisture (shrinkage in winter) not being the issue as itâÂÂs not evident across the entire installation. Just here and there? IâÂÂm guessing this is also out of the GC hands? Floor installed after closing? As far as product problems with LL. Unfortunately thereâÂÂs a long wait there (many don't get resolved) and you may find more peace by handling the problem with the installer. IâÂÂve heard many of the nightmares. IâÂÂm looking at all angles for you. Any thoughts of wiping some stain into the cracks? It may sound like a cheap fix, but some are fine by it when you weigh all the facts that will also include inconveniences and frustration in replacement. The middle of the room? That canâÂÂt be spot fixed in my opinion, unless the boards affected show a manufacturing problem. Are they narrower in width?...See Moregaps in hardwood floor
Comments (22)There are a lot of reasons why there are excessive gaps in a hardwood installation. A good way for you to check if your floor has excessive gapping is to look at some of the other hardwood floors in your neighborhood and see how much gappingis in their floors. Some questions would be; what kind of subfloor do you have; what kind of vapor barrier was used; was the floor installed running across the joists and not with them; and what was the finish used? Also, I don't recall how stable Brazilian cherry is but that would have a bearing. Some examples. The floor in my house is quarteer sawn 4, 6, and 8" planks glued togather from 1 1/2" glued up boards to make the planks which are then beveled and decorated with pegs. There are no readily visible gaps. I just refinished my sons red oak hardwood floors installed in the late 1940's when the house built. Some areas of small gaps, not readily noticible, but as a whole no gaps. A job I did was for a friend so I get to look at it over a long period of time. That was about two years ago and no gaps that are apparent without getting down on your hands and knees. As I explained, check out your neighbors and see how their floors look. I have seen some of this Brazilian cherry installed in new homes recently and I didn't notice all of this gapping, Some gapping is inevitable but if it jumps out at you, you might have some installation issues....See MoreGaps on new hardwood floor! Please help!
Comments (12)And WHY is this 'nail only'? These are 5" HICKORY planks. A wide plank floor (anything 5" or wider) must have glue assist during install. And hickory has a little bit more movement than oak...which means it needs a bit more stability (ie. glue assist) when installed. The "American Spirit" brand is sold by Floor & Decor. Their installation instructions are...limited. Which means the installer has to have quite a bit of knowledge to know all these things. A guy with a hammer (or nail gun) will have little flooring knowledge. At the price of $5.29/sf (as listed for a store in WA state) the chances of milling issues could be quite high. I think we have several issues going on here. As Oak & Broad suggests, start by CULLING all the boards that are BAD (this is what you are paying your installer to do...but he's not doing it so it falls to you to go for it) and then find out your TOTAL square footage of bad boards. Figure out if they are MORE than 5% (industry standard allows 5% waste for bad wood). If your culled footage is MORE than 5% you have a claim worthy of the paper it is written on. And while you are culling your wood, have someone that is well versed in wide plank install come in and have a look at this install. I'm PRETTY sure you need glue assist on this one. A 5" solid hickory plank (3/4" thick) for LESS than $6/sf is going to need some help. And please tell me that it was acclimated for several days/weeks. And please tell me your installer took moisture readings from random planks equal to 10% of the wood delivered to your home. And please tell me the boxes were opened and stacked PROPERLY while acclimating. And good luck with Floor & Decor. It's my understanding they take quite a bit of time to get moving if there is a claim that they have to deal with. The sooner the better is what I've heard....See MoreSmall gaps in new hardwood floor
Comments (14)The individual who needs to verify that the moisture content of the hardwood strip flooring and the subfloor meet the manufacturer's installation guidelines is the installer--not the homeowner. While the interior environment in your home may be controlled, it sounds like you have a vented crawl space. The conditions (temperature and relative humidity) in a vented crawl space can vary depending on the exterior temperature and relative humidity. The equilibrium moisture content (EMC) of your subfloor (and to some extent your hardwood flooring) will also vary as a function of those conditions. The USDA's Forest Products Lab has compiled EMC data by month for various locations in the U.S.: https://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base_images/zp/equilibrium_moisture_content.pdf If you look at the data for Fresno, CA you'll see that the EMC varies by month from a low of 7.8% to a high of 16.6% Trying to get the EMC of your subfloor below the EMC for the given exterior conditions wouldn't do much good if the crawl space is vented. The best case for stable hardwood floors is to maintain relatively constant conditions throughout the year. To this end, I suggest you consult with a local building scientist about the benefits and cost of converting your vented crawl space to a sealed, conditioned crawl space. By keeping the conditions in the crawl closer to those of the conditioned living space, you should have less seasonal movement due to changes in relative humidity....See Moreksc36
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