Prepare your wallets for another shut down

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Border security talks have not progressed through weekend, growing concern deal won't come together — Border security negotiations, for days considered on the path to a weekend agreement, have not progressed, and members on both sides have started to discuss whether backstop alternatives to prevent another government shutdown are necessary, three sources involved told CNN.

Two of the sources said the talks were ongoing and had not completely fallen apart, but both sides of the talks were considering whether there was a path forward to a broader deal.

The outstanding issues -- the level of funding for border barriers as well as funding increases for detention facilities and personnel -- were not new and have long been the sticking points in the talks. But negotiators on both sides told reporters late last week that they believed they were on the path to resolving the issues.

Alabama GOP Sen. Richard Shelby, one of the key figures in the talks, was pessimistic on Sunday morning, telling Fox News that the talks were "stalled."

"We're hoping we can get there," Shelby said, adding he was "not confident" a deal could be reached by Monday.

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woodnymph2_gw

I saw the Sun. AM news also, where Mulvaney was interviewed. It does not look good. Shelby said he thought there was only a 50/50 chance that a deal could be reached in time.

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Becca Reese

We can once again than Nancy Pelosi if another shutdown happens. This time, she's too busy schmoozing it up with her Hollywood friends as Americans fear her personal vendetta with Trump will once again lead to another shutdown.

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woodnymph2_gw

We all watched Trump in the room with Pelosi and Schumer, when he said he would take full responsibility for the shutdown. He owns it, and it is he, Trump, that is the "national emergency."

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frank_il

Yeah, you are correct. It is not like Donald Trump had two years to get it passed before the Democratic Congress took control. Oh wait.....

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maddie260

The GOP is cooked: non-existent tax cut, the government shut downs, dt, no health care plan, and on and on!

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chase_gw

Typical 11th hour drama.....what a way to govern !!!

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Becca Reese

woodnymph2_gw

We
all watched Trump in the room with Pelosi and Schumer, when he said he
would take full responsibility for the shutdown. He owns it, and it is
he, Trump, that is the "national emergency."

Wow do try to keep up with the shutdowns. That was LAST shutdown.

This one is all Nancy. She's already planned her next vacation to Hawaii!


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Becca Reese

Democrats refuse to negotiate in good faith and the feckless Trump haters on the committee want to see him fail more than they want to see America safe and thriving.

Watching Democrats contradict themselves on a wall they supported just a few years ago is puke worthy. I can't believe anyone would support the outright lies and political hackery.

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Kathy

Trump’s tweets lately are not coherent.

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leona_2008

Republicans need to read The Atlantic article since they can't be bothered to think this through on their own. https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/5611656/there-will-be-no-beautiful-wall#n=18

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Chi

Conservatives are so pro-Constutition that it shocks me that they are supporting Trump in this. Our government was founded with all 3 branches having separate power to check and balance each other. If Trump can't get something passed through Congress, then that's how it is supposed to work.

We fought a big war to get away from a monarchy and our forefathers would be spinning in their graves that we are allowing the President to shut down the entire government because the rules didn't work in his favor.

This is how it's supposed to work. He doesn't get to blackmail his way into getting what he wants because he couldn't pass it the Constitutionally-designed way that avoids one branch having all the power.

He is making a mockery of our entire government. He thinks he can ignore the checks and balances of our system, and anyone who supports that is not a patriot.

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elvis

The Executive Branch is part of the system of checks and balances, Chi.

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Chi

Yes, that is one of the 3 branches I referenced.

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roxanna7

^^^^ exactly, Chi. EXACTLY. One of the branches, NOT the power position Trump wants it to be (as long as HE is in office, I surmise....).

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elvis

One of the branches is the Judicial Branch. Does it defer to the president or Congress? No. The powers/responsibilities of each Branch are spelled out.

The Executive Branch makes sure that laws are enforced and allocates necessary funding. The Legislative Branch of government writes and passes laws. The Judicial Branch evaluates the laws passed by the legislative branch and determines whether they comply with the Constitution.

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maddie260

The legislature has veto override of the executive branch for a reason.

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Becca Reese

One of the branches is the Judicial Branch. Does it defer to the
president or Congress? No. The powers/responsibilities of each Branch
are spelled out.

The Democrats have been using the Judicial branch to enact their agenda for years now. Trump's been putting a stop to it.The Dem legislature hasn't been in the business of passing legislation since Trump got elected. They are the Useless Investigation and Obstruction Branch.

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Becca Reese

IF there's another shutdown, it will be 100% Dems' fault. Nancy Pelosi has refused to hold up the Dems' end of the bargain and negotiate. She is purely denying what the Dems overwhelmingly supported before Trump won.

Now she's too busy partying in Hollywood while Americans fear their for their paychecks once again.

Bob Menendez is buying sunblock and a new pair of swim trunks.

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maddie260

^^^^Nancy Pelosi is doing exactly what Democrats wanted! Look at the poll numbers and you'll have your answer. Go, Pelosi, Go! What do you think Democrats wanted?

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cecily 7A

Any shutdown over wall funding belongs to Trump.

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maifleur01

Only some Democrats thought a wall was a good idea and the areas that it was useful has been built. Since it has been several years since those that thought it was a good idea voiced that it is likely that the need is over and or they actually thought about what it means and have now decided it was an idiot idea to begin with.

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Ann

From what I can tell from the Sunday shows, it appears the number of beds is the current sticking point. Chris Wallace seemed quite surprised as he discussed it with the Dem from the committee this morning. He kept asking why Dems wouldn't want more beds, because the alternative is releasing more people into our country who entered or are here illegally. I'm surprised too, as I thought Dems wanted quicker processing at the border. Do they now want to, instead, encourage even more catch and release? This is all very bizarre. It is going beyond open borders now, to the blatant encouragement to not only enter but do so knowing their immediate release is probable.

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Ann

A month ago, I would have guessed Dems wanted more beds along with more judges, lots more. How wrong I was!

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Stan Areted

They want a full out attack on President Trump and the electorate that put him in office.

WE SEE.

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Ann

Time and time again on HT, we've heard the left point out that overstayed visas are our biggest problem (thus no barrier needed in their opinion), but yet we have this from NPR today. Dems aren't making one iota of logical sense - consumed with their oppose Trump obsession:

"According to The New York Times, "While Democrats refused to entertain the prospect of fulfilling Mr. Trump's $5.7 billion demand for a border wall, lawmakers had grown closer to accepting a number between $1.3 billion and $2 billion for physical barriers. But they also demanded the limit on ICE beds, as a way to force the agency to focus on detaining migrants with criminal records instead of people who have overstayed their visas."

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Ann

It's time for Dems to simply admit they truly want open borders (wide open borders) and an inviting red carpet to go with it. The disconnect between saying they want border security and what they try/want to legislate is startling!

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Becca Reese

This is all very bizarre. It is going beyond open borders now, to the
blatant encouragement to not only enter but do so knowing their
immediate release is probable.

That's exactly what Dems want. Open borders. Idiots like Omar are screeching about "cages" and "torture" to make the case that now even HOLDING illegal immigrants is immoral.


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Ann

Becca, it's crazy!!!!!!!!

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Becca Reese

It's time for Dems to simply admit they truly want open borders (wide
open borders) and an inviting red carpet to go with it. The disconnect
between saying they want border security and what they try/want to
legislate is startling!

Ann, Democrats want to make the case that entering our country is a right, not a privilege.

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Ziemia(6a)

N E G O T I A T I O N S

ps: L O G I C

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Joaniepoanie

Trump had two years to get it through an all Repub congress and didn't. Why? Because even most Repubs don't want a wall? And Trump hasn't spent the millions that were already allocated. Why? So it still won't be Dems fault if $ is still sitting there he hasn't spent. Not to mention the years of lawsuits ahead from environmental groups, landowners, etc. And why is it incumbent on Dems to negotiate? Trump's the one who wants the wall.....let him negotiate, especially since he thinks he's such a great negotiator. If he was...he would have walked away with a deal months ago. Trump's idea of negotiation is "give me my wall...period."

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Ann

"Ann, Democrats want to make the case that entering our country is a right, not a privilege. "

To me, it seems (based on their actions) this is precisely what they believe and, I agree, they should just own it and let the voters vote. Maybe they'll win on it, who knows. But, at least it would be honest.

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Joaniepoanie

Oh please....just how thick is the right? How many times do they have to be told...... border security.......yes....a wall....no.

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Becca Reese

Trump haters never heard of the filibuster. We need Schoolhouse Rock to come back.

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Ann

"Trump had two years to get it through an all Repub congress and didn't. "

Joanie, are you unaware 60 votes are required to pass legislation in the Senate? My guess is you are very aware of that which makes your talking point as silly as all the other times the exact same silly talking point has been voiced. Any interest in just keeping it real and losing the game playing?

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Ann

Becca, even the talking points are crazy. I'm watching Kasie on MSNBC right now. Earlier in her show, they were discussing the limits Dems want on ICE beds. The narrative of the left is that holding people who entered illegally is inhumane (and I'm not joking)! Kasie didn't even challenge the panel member who said that. Instead, she just responded with her typical "Hmmmmm". This is what I mean - if Dems think it appropriate to enthusiastically welcome those who are here illegally to roam freely in our country - say it loud and let the voters decide if they agree.

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Ann

President Trump, in 2020, please run on border security (again), the great economy, low unemployment, oppose third trimester abortion, oppose Medicare for all (and its 32 trillion price tag), oppose the Green Dream, oppose socialism, and oppose huge tax increases.

You've worked hard for some of this and the rest is offered to you on a silver platter.

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maifleur01

From the posters above they seem to want to abolish the laws and social actions that have helped make this country good and return to the time that was good on the surface but the underbelly was ripe with stink.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Trump didn't have immigration legislation passed in 2017-2018 because of an ideological split among House Republicans.

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Stan Areted

That's your view, mine is the exact opposite.

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Becca Reese

Ann, because what we need is less beds and more illegals turfed onto the streets of America/sarc.

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Becca Reese

President Trump, in 2020, please run on border security (again), the
great economy, low unemployment, oppose third trimester abortion, oppose
Medicare for all (and its 32 trillion price tag), oppose the Green
Dream, oppose socialism, and oppose huge tax increases.

You mean all the things Dems are teeing up for Trump in 2020?

Dems are just soiling the bed lately!

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sunflower_petal(5a)

" It's time for Dems to simply admit they truly want open borders (wide open borders) and an inviting red carpet to go with it. "

Nope.

False.

Fake news.

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bob_cville

>Trump didn't have immigration legislation passed in 2017-2018 because of an ideological split among House Republicans.

> That's your view, mine is the exact opposite.

So the opposite is: Trump did have immigration legislation in 2017-2018 because there was no ideological split among House Republicans. Got it.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

If even half of Trump's claims regarding Central American refugees and undocumented Mexican immigrants were true, Los Angeles City and County would be one large violent crime scene given the large populations of those communities who call this area home.

Trump is lying . . . again.

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Stan Areted

maifleur01

From the posters above they seem to want to abolish the laws and social actions that have helped make this country good and return to the time that was good on the surface but the underbelly was ripe with stink.


The post above is the post I responded to with:

"That's your view, mine is the exact opposite."

If you looked, you will see that nancy__in__venice and I posted at the same time, her post wasn't there when I responded.

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Ann

Becca, I think the Dem talking points are truly beyond crazy at present. They may win in 2020, but I'll be stunned if so. Trump beat Hillary and that had to be an amazing feat compared to beating the craziness we're seeing at present. I would think it would be a piece of cake for him to win in 2020, but I've been very disappointed in the past, so I sure won't count on it. But, if he doesn't win, this country is in serious, serious trouble! He is far and away the adult in the room right now!

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maddie260

dt did not beat Clinton in the popular vote.

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Becca Reese

Hillary was very centrist compared to the Dem party of today. She couldn't run if she tried. She's not radical enough, aside from her abortion agenda. She'd be totally on board with late-term abortion and beyond.

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Becca Reese

But, if he doesn't win, this country is in serious, serious trouble! He is far and away the adult in the room right now!

It is my hope and prayer that America rejects socialism and open borders in 2020.

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Ann

Nancy, millions and millions and millions of people are residing in our country illegally! That is not OK! Dems are going to "force" any reasonable leader into the position of deporting every single one of them, whether they've committed crimes or not. Let me repeat, they are here illegally!

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Ann

"dt did not beat Clinton in the popular vote."

Who cares! The next winner (Trump or a challenger) doesn't need to beat the other in the popular vote either. It's completely irrelevant.

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Becca Reese

Ann, Trump is the first President in a long time to not kick the can down the road. The buck stops with him.

I like that we have a President that cares more about doing what's right and best for American, than about being loved and popular.

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Ann

Frankly Becca, Hillary might just decide to run and might just win the nomination. Look at most who have announced so far! Any moderate Dem would be delighted to see Hillary run.

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Becca Reese

Who cares! The next winner (Trump or a challenger) doesn't need to beat
the other in the popular vote either. It's completely irrelevant.

They believe the Dems' false narrative about America being a "democracy", so they actually believe the popular vote counts for something.

Congrats, here's a lollipop.

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Becca Reese

Any moderate Dem would be delighted to see Hillary run.

If I had to choose a Dem, I'd pick someone like Hillary or Biden. The radical nutjobs are just too far gone.

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Ann

"I like that we have a President that cares more about doing what's right and best for American, than about being loved and popular. "

I think he's a fantastic president! Exactly the person our country needed!

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Ann

I'll be voting in the Dem primary in 2020 and I may very well vote for Hillary if she's a candidate!

ETA: In the primary, that is. NOT in November.

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Chi

"Ann, Trump is the first President in a long time to not kick the can down the road. The buck stops with him."

In what sense? Obama set records with his amount of people deported.

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cattyles

They're just trying to pull chains, Chi.

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Ann

This evening, watching more of the Sunday morning shows I record each week, if I were the Dems, I'd back away from this "limit ICE beds" narrative very quickly (and as quietly as possible). Once I got back a bit, I'd turn and run from it. This is insane for the party! Tim Ryan wouldn't even touch it - smart man! I don't know whose idea this was, but what a stupid, illogical, harmful and indefensible concept! I'll be very curious to watch this play out over the next few days. This is a serious "what were they thinking" moment!

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cattyles

What would you do if you were the Repubs?

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chase_gw

." I can't believe anyone would support the outright lies and political hackery."

This from a Trump supporter. Hoot!!!

Ann, you seem to forget, or ignore, the fact that Trump was " given " his wall money by the Democrats including the Senate but reneged on his own deal the very next day by adding poison pills even some Republicans couldn' t support..

Additionally, Ryan would not put an immigration reform/ border security bill on the floor because there was no agreement amongst the Republicans and it would not receive majority Republican support. He had a " rule " that no Bill could be brought for a vote that required Dem support. The Senate passed comprehensive Immigration reform prior to that, it was the Republican controlled House that could not agree on it.

It was the House and Trump himself that lost him his precious wall money and did nothing for immigration reform ......not the Dems.

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Ann

"What would you do if you were the Repubs?"

Talk about how asinine and un-American it is.

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chase_gw

I' m hearing a different slant on the rationale for limiting beds in detention centres. I'm hearing that the " cap" is to force quicker movement through the system by limiting the numbers held. Especially non criminal asylum seekers and families. That doesn't seem anti American to me...quite the opposite

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sunflower_petal(5a)

Yes, another reasoning behind the cap is to ensure that officials spend their time and efforts on who needs to be held rather than willy-nilly throwing everyone into detention and sorting them out later. Be smarter on what you're doing and get the people who need to be held (criminals) into those beds. Don't fill up the beds with people who represent no known danger.

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Ann

"Yes, another reasoning behind the cap is to ensure that officials spend their time and efforts on who needs to be held rather than willy-nilly throwing everyone into detention and sorting them out later. Be smarter on what you're doing and get the people who need to be held (criminals) into those beds. Don't fill up the beds with people who represent no known danger."

There is only one current possible alternative to holding them, and that is releasing them into our country and hoping they willingly appear at some later date. So, that leaves us with a border that is very easy to cross in many places, and full knowledge that once crossed, there isn't a thing that can be done about it. This does nothing but incentivize more illegal crossings and any reasonable person (Dem, Pub, and Illegal) knows it. Our border policy is now - welcome (unless we happen to know you are a violent criminal, immediately and with virtually no time to even do a cursory check) and come right in. That is not an immigration policy but is very much an open border policy. If America wants a well functioning legal immigration system and any avenue to curtail illegal immigration, they'll need to vote for Trump again, 60 Republican senators, and a Republican majority in the House. Anything short of that and open borders will be the norm in our country and this can will get kicked down the road even further.

Sunflower, your last sentence says it all! Since you and I both know precisely what that means - release them and as many as show up.

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chase_gw

What are the stats, factual numbers, of those who are released pending hearings who don't show up. I recall it being a very low number.

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Ann

Chase, here is the former Border Patrol Chief (under Obama) speaking today and touching upon your question.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_UkajgLNFo

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