A Reverence for Roses sells it but is listed as out of stock. Greenmantle Nursery sells it but is taking deposits for plants to be propagated at this time. Rogue Valley Roses lists it in stock and it might actually BE there and perhaps even properly identified! Roses Unlimited lists it as in their collection. You'll have to contact them to determine if it's available for shipping. Then, there is also the potential of obtaining bud wood from someone on the Forum whose plant is large enough to supply it, and contract with Steve Singer at Wisconsin Roses to have it budded on seedling multiflora stock orCool Roses in Orlando, Florida to bud it on Fortuniana. If you're lucky, Geoff might have succeeded in rooting some of the 7 pounds of virus indexed cuttings I sent him last summer so he might be able to produce it on clean stock, should you be able to find someone who has it from either Pickering or someone who obtained it from Florida Southern College so it would be virus indexed.

I got mine last year from Rose Petals Nursery, a very healthy vigorous plant—he’s about to go in the ground. She’s showing it out of stock right now, but Cydney restocks her roses frequently so maybe check with her? :-)

Nice people and I understand they create nice plants, but if you are in California, be forewarned of their shipping. To the Central California Coast, one $15 plant requires $46.02 shipping (3 day, the ONLY shipping method permitted), for a total of $61.02 without anything else. The shipping does not become more palatable by increasing the number of plants. 3 $15 plants ($45) are $70.82 shipping for a sub total of $115.82. That, alone, makes virtually all other sources more cost effective.

I got mine from Rosepetals, and it is fantastic, like perma says. I got two previously from RVRs, but they turned out to be a gorgeous Reve d'Or so I have no regrets.

No. I don't think they would have 'Marechal Niel.' They sometimes propagate 'Reve d'Or, but I don't think they have M.N.

I don't know where you're located in CA, but MN can be tricky to grow on its own roots. I think that, if I really wanted it, I would follow Kim's suggestion and get it from Cool Roses, budded onto Fortuniana.

I got mine from A reverence for Roses.

Sheila, those buds are SO beautiful! Mine is growing lots of leaves, but no flowers yet, so I hope it really is MN. It has the prettiest apple-green foliage, a different hue from most of my other roses, so I think it probably is.

I think Kim & Jeri are your local experts, and so I would definitely try to get it on Fort. And Jin is correct...a very special rose worth pursuing!

Wishing you success, Craig! :-)

I have heard MN might need a boost with grafting, but so far so good here own root. It is safely in a pot though, and not out in the real world. I'm not sure that cool roses ships to Oregon, in my case.

Although MN does well here, I also keep mine in a pot. I'm not taking any chances lol. It has grown through the pot and anchored itself into the ground.

I may get a few more and try one planted in the ground later. I got mine from Rose Petals Nursery several years ago.

Mine is pretty vigorous on its own roots. Its wrapped around the legs of a gazebo and over the top. I wonder what it would do on Fortuniana...

Wow. So many comments. Thanks so much for the help. The last MN was on its own root and did ok. It grew up the patio cover and reached 8 foot across it with beautiful yellow flowers aimed down over head for us to see. We’re looking to do that again on the gazebo. So far all my roses (except the DonnJuan) are own root because of the virus concerns. I might be open to trying indexed root stock though.

We are in Southern California zone 9. And roses do pretty well. The only problem I have seen is mildew on a few roses and rust on the Don Juan once it started getting older.

This is a photo from the last MN we had looking up from below.

Thanks again for the feedback. I was starting to panic when I couldn’t find a supplier .

Craig

Just as long as you aren't of the mistaken impression that own root roses are virus free, as one infamous own root source has deceptively promoted for several decades. As long as the scion (variety) is "virus free", the own root or budded to virus indexed stock plant will be also. If the scion is infected, it doesn't make a bit of difference how it's produced. It's dirty.

I think it depends where you are. I've heard from people located in inland areas that MN did well for them. In areas where there is less heat, it doesn't.

OH -- And Kim is right about own-roots/virus. I have grown MANY virused own-root roses. If the mother plant is virused, so will the new plant be. That was true for several things I obtained from "that" source.

It didn't do well own root for jimofshermanoaks and his was the "vigorous old clone" from Sequoia. Mine is indexed but too young and small to even bud from yet.

I’m a bit out of depth here, but aren’t there other tea-noisettes and climbing teas that will do well in CA? I know many of these have that lovely nodding effect and there are quite a few in yellow. :-).

I wish all sellers started with indexed stock like Kim has. What are they waiting for?

Jin, I have ordered from Burling nursery before..They do ship to FL. I dont remember now what the shipping was exactly but it wasn't bad.

I was a dumb**s and ordered in December. The rose got some frozen branches somewhere along the way (Im guessing) but it recovered from the roots very nicely. I'd order from them again, just not in the winter lol.

Cool roses sells MN already grafted in fort? I’m in Texas and I think I would want to try it grafted. It’s my dream rose!

How about Duchesse d Auerstadt? Does that one do well in California? It sure is pretty and a climber.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.1657.0

No. Cool Roses will custom graft on Fort. Wisconsin Roses will custom graft on multiflora. Geoff at Cool Roses doesn't have MN. You have to obtain the bud wood or have it sent to him for budding, just as you have to with Steve at Wisconsin Roses. If you're game, I would suggest finding out who on this thread or forum has MN, preferably from a source which indexed it or obtained it from an indexed source, who would be willing to send bud wood to either nursery when it's required. Then, contact the nursery of your choice and set it up with them to do the budding. Neither buds more than they have confirmed requests for, so it isn't worth sending 50 buds of the rose for fewer than that number of confirmed requests. The ideal would be for several (or many) people here to want the rose budded on the same stock, so you would only have to deal with the one nursery; arrange to have it budded and for the bud wood to be sent, then the nursery budding it will notify everyone who sends them confirmed orders payment is required as the plants are ready. I've done it the past two years with Grey Pearl, Kimo, Cl Columbia and Annie Laurie McDowell, sending the bud wood to Wisconsin Roses and he did the deed and handled everyone who requested them getting their plants and getting paid. It's not as simple as just buying the plant, but how else are you going to get what you want, how you want it?

Jasmine, the plants do well in the warmer (not bellows of Hades heat) areas. In areas too cool, they don't thrive, particularly own root and many of them which are too heavily petaled have issues opening where it is too humid/damp or cool. I have to watch the proclivity for mildew and the issues of balling flowers with any I consider due to the average temp here being 75 and being only nine miles from the ocean over fairly flat land. It's perfect for berries, cut flowers (gladiolus at the moment by the many thousands), artichokes, lettuce, kale, brussels sprouts, broccoli, etc. but weaker growing Noisettes, Tea-Noisettes and Cl Teas require budding to flourish in the "coolth". Mme E Souffrain is own root and hasn't grown more than two feet in the two years I've had it. It's own root and it is virus indexed so it isn't due to that.

Kim thank you for your response, that’s very helpful to know what I need to do. I’m veering towards trying MN own root and if that doesn’t work then go the grafting route.

My MN came from Rose Petals Nursery, too. It has grown vigorously in the few years I’ve had it, but my climate and soil are very different from California. If you want to try own root and shipping is too much from Rose Petals, you could contact A Reverence for Roses and check if they have any that are almost ready. The roses I’ve gotten from ARFR have been very large for band size, and their shipping is less expensive than RPN.

Unfortunately, I’m not comfortable offering cuttings from mine. I’ve lost several roses to RRD in the past few years with the most recent removal being just last fall. I’m afraid to risk sharing cuttings off any of my roses since some could be infected, but not yet showing symptoms.

Thanks, Malcolm!

HA! I LOVE roses which "deeply resent pruning", especially climbers, as I don't prune them anyway (except to keep them from falling off whatever they are growing on)! I deeply resent having to prune, so that is a good match up!

Jackie

I agree it hates pruning. The time I pruned it a little, it sat for several months doing absolutely nothing! Its a blonde diva when it comes to pruning lol.

Rose seek, I think it likes it both hot & humid (together) it doesn't skip a beat when we get into the 90's+ and its raining about every day in the summer. We get up to 100F every once in a while but not often. It can take that temp okay here but we have humidity. It probably hates super hot dry heat and maybe cool and humid.

We do get cool and humid if we have a rainy winter here (like this winter)

It can freeze here and even get into the upper teens F. It dislikes cool and humid..not blooming/actively growing. I really have to watch the watering if its not actively growing and its cold..rain is ok but not extra water from the hose.

I do have it in a small-ish pot with a lot of extra perlite mixed in for excellent drainage, with big holes. It went through flooding a few years ago when the river backed up into our yard..It lived probably due to the pot and mix I have it in, plus it was summer. Winter temps plus flooding, it probably would have croaked.

I think you're right about the humidity, Jasimine, and that makes sense. These things don't like to dry out terribly and you know how high double digit and into triple digit temps with single digit humidity can desiccate everything. Though the vast majority of them will open their flowers better without that humidity or fog. It should make sense it enjoys hot and humid. Remember it was a famous glass-house rose in France in its early days. "Hot and humid" definitely are "greenhouse conditions"!

Thanks again for all the discussion. Looking back at my records, i bought the MN in 2002. i had heard that the plant had been vigorous for others and it seems the trend at the time was own root to reduce the chances of virus.

I have always respected Malcom’s opinion and had wished I could have figured out how to get a MN strain from his stock. As I recall he was working on indexing or had recently indexed MN when I was looking.

It sounds like the strain is now available on the market. Now I just need to figure own root or grafted. My own root Desprez a Fleur Juan covered about 200square feet of patio cover and bloomed 12 months out of the year on its own root. I’d love to have MN do the same.