Loba invisible or rubio monocoat
Christine Fosco
4 years ago
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Comments (3)I'm familiar with the Rubio and WOCA finishes. Both can achieve a nice satin finish. The Rubio is a single coat hardwax oil where the WOCA is a pure oil. The WOCA is duller unless you use the Maintenance Oil Paste. Then it's fairly shiny, but it gives the impression that it would be more resistant to water and wear. My Rubio finished floors have some sheen, probably slightly higher than what would be considered satin. I think that's dependent on how smooth the floor is sanded and how much it's buffed after the oil is applied. I buffed the area I did a lot. A workman did the same finish in an adjacent hall and it's a little more satin. On an Oak floor, I wire brushed it, used the Smoke reactive stain and Cotton White oil. The water made the surface rough so this one looks more satin. When my house is finished I will end up with Rubio finish in five areas but I wouldn't use either Rubio or WOCA in my own kitchen. I prefer my kitchen to have a less maintenance intensive floor. Of the two I'm familiar with, I would probably choose the WOCA since it's a multi coat and has more friendly maintenance products (Natural Soap and Oil Refresher). You should research the daily/periodic/yearly maintenance requirements/recommendations for each finish you are considering. The Rubio oiled foyer/living room I finished almost a year ago looks great but it gets very little water. I vacuum it regularly to remove sand and construction dust and have retouched the finish after a few mishaps but I've yet to use the Rubio Soap to clean it. The worst thing that could happen is that you apply a finish and after a few years you can refinish it if you find it's not suitable....See MoreFlooring Advice - Pallman Magic Oil?
Comments (34)@Sye Phommachanh As usual, thank you for such a clear and helpful answer. I have tried Ciranova's reactive stains on samples-Baro and Smoke. Their Baro was WAAAY off their color chart, even thinned with their clear. (Which...by the way...I discovered, thinning it with water achieves the same darn thing, lol.) The smoke however, I like. And it has a lot of variations depending on the strength of the mix. The Titan looks good on top of the smoke, though it yellows it a bit. I also tested their Titan on top of Pallmann...I love both and I'm glad to hear they will hold up over other oils. I cannot find samples of the colors I want to test from Bona--called various locations in and out of state. I even called Bona and they said they don't carry the sample pack anymore, nor offer any samples--told me to call and see if dealers have any lying around. This makes me wonder if they are prepping to discontinue their oil line. My local guy said they rarely get requests for it, so they don't carry it any longer either... My goal has been to know the floor product I want and then find a professional who knows how to work with it. (I see too many threads of people stuck using whatever contractor understands.) But if I cannot test Bona, I won't use it. I've ordered samples of Ciranova's oils and their Fortico 2C. (Fortico is what they told me goes over their Titan--I will double check their advice.) Fingers crossed that I love the combo and my search is over... Now...I have to say this about all the possible products, Ciranova so far has the very best customer service, the most informed website, the best answers. Seriously. I'm pretty good at delving into websites, but Bona offers no samples, almost no indepth online brochures, and I have to call to get answers. Pallman's offers a few samples, some brochures, but I have to call to get answers. Loba looks like a MIddle Schooler designed their site. But Ciranova has it all! They offer samples for every single product and a bunch of combo sample packs, every product has clear info attached, and I get real time answers from a chat room as I am looking at the products...I can even buy all samples without giving out my credit card...through AP. This thoughtful attention to detail bodes well for future customer service, don't you think? Thanks again. Will let you know how it all turns out....See MorePolyurethane suggestions on stairs?
Comments (36)I have no doubt you will do just fine. My DIY clients found the Loba easy to work with once they understood some of the 'rules'. Some of my best applications came from homeowners willing to learn the rules and READ the instructions. The Loba is a "shaken not stirred" type of product. It has ANTI-FROTHING products added to it...that's why it has such a hefty price tag! You will shake BOTH containers for 60 seconds. Then you will mix the two products (into a third container...like a measuring cup - l like one's with milliters listed because it makes the 10:1 measurements STUPID easy ;-). Once the two are mixed, you can shake them for another 60 seconds (or a VERY good stir for 1-2 minutes). You are ready to go. You will see bubbles but you will IGNORE the bubbles. Yep. I said ignore. The Loba is "self correcting and self leveling". That is to say, the BUBBLES will disappear BEFORE the finish cures (you won't see them later on) and the areas with a little bit MORE finish (like a little wake line from time to time) will level itself out. Again it will not be seen once it drys. That's why Loba is relatively easy to use. Once it is mixed you simply apply it and walk away. It gives a lovely flawless finish regardless of your level of skill (it can hide a lot)....See MoreWhite oak, new construction, botched job x3, Loba URGENT question
Comments (2)Wow! Ok...the good news is you are getting the ENTIRE floor sanded (including the treads) and refinished. Excellent! That's what is needed at this point. Now for the treads...MOST stair treads are RED oak. That MIGHT BE why the treads take the stain a little differently than the WHITE OAK flooring (make sense now doesn't it?). The Loba HS 2K ImpactOil is comparable to Rubio = oiled finish. Here's the link to the GERMAN website (not the USA...the European website is MUCH better for product information). https://www.loba.de/us/products/natural-oils-and-waxes/natural-oils/product/hs-2k-impactoil-color/ The ImpactOil is NOT compatible with the surface finishes like Invisible AT. Do not mix the two. Now...onto the colours. Loba makes their own stains. The original floors had "white line" syndrome = the finished had BONDING FAILURE throughout the home. That was the original problem (regardless of the flooding). The stain was INCOMPATIBLE with the FINISH (whatever the finish was). This is the very reason why you should NEVER mix chemical families (Loba + Loba = success; DuraSeal + DuraSeal = success). The ImpactOil is new(er) the the N. American market. The VERY FIRST THING I would ask the refinishers is: Have you attended the Loba training classes? You are looking for a 'yes' when it comes to both the Invisible and the ImpactOil. If you need support, Loba is just a phone call away. They have their N. American headquarters in N.Carolina....See MoreChristine Fosco
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